Stuttering

[lisztianick]

I know this is kinnda off the topics here, but I really wanted to know people's opinions about something.

Well, I have this problem. Yes, I stutter sometimes (almost most of the time). Sometimes it is manageable and other times it gets really out of control !! Before i tell you more about it, I just wanna know people's perceptions about stuttering/stammering. What do you think or feel when you hear someone stutter or speak too fast (my condition generally!!)


P.S: If you think it is funny, please say so.

[donjuan]

im a stutterer too.  I can never say 'potatoes' successfully the first time.  you should hear me at Denny's:  "instead of hash browns, can I have those skillet fried po....pauuughhhp-p-p-p-p-poooooootatoes? blech"

It was especially bad on the phone, talking to strangers or important people, because the nerves just make it worse.  But after working at Sears, I got more experience talking to people on the phone and it got better.

When I hear someone else stammering, I feel glad that Im not the only one.  and then I hope theirs gets worse so mine doesnt seem so bad in comparison.  but I'm mean.

[pianistimo]

ahahahaha. this is very funny. 

but, wait.  i think there's some seriousness here.  sorry if i sounded like i was making fun of stutterring in the math thread.  ithink when people know it's a genuine 'thing' then they are less likely to focus on it and make fun.  they know it's just the way you talk sometimes.  the patience level of some people is first-gradish - but most people have patience because they know a lot of smart people have some kind of problem.  acceptance level of idiosyncracies between scientists is probably huge.  take for instance the comradery of people that fly in the space shuttle. 

[quasimodo]

In general it makes me feel incomfortable, kind of a mirror phenomenon, I reflect the embarassment of the sluttering person.
Anyway it's something you can work on to overcome, just like you work to overcome difficulties with piano pieces. It takes, willingness, time and patience obviously. A specialist's help can be a determining factor.

[quantum]

I once had a piano student who stuttered when he played.  I tried many different things, but there was always a tiny bit of stutter in his playing.  Even if I asked to play extreemly slow and concentrate on the flow of the music and to go on if he made a mistake. 

Strange thing is,  his speaking pretty much flowed smoothly.  Note, he was an adult in his 20's. 

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

I stutter. Very badly. It has caused me a decent amount of humiliation at school.

[pianistimo]

artistic people always have some kind of problem.  be glad you're not psycho.

[debussy symbolism]

I once had a piano student who stuttered when he played.  I tried many different things, but there was always a tiny bit of stutter in his playing.  Even if I asked to play extreemly slow and concentrate on the flow of the music and to go on if he made a mistake. 

Strange thing is,  his speaking pretty much flowed smoothly.  Note, he was an adult in his 20's. 

That's not the same thing. "stuttering" at a piano is because of lack of technique or knowledge of the notes. Stuttering in general is a speech problem. I went through alot of speech therapist and all proved vain. The only solution is time really, and lack of stress. There are also periods when my stuttering intensifies and then are the fluid periods of talking. I don't give a darn in some creep makes fun of me, because the joke is on him, as he has no brains and should go and get rid of himself to help out the world. I don't stutter on one on one conversations as long as they are casual. However when I get into an exciting conversation I start to stutter.

[debussy symbolism]

artistic people always have some kind of problem.  be glad you're not psycho.

What is a psycho? All in all, a psycho might be viewed as a psycho because of behavior or beliefs. My parents(my mom) wanted me to go see a psychologist because of my beliefs and social behavior(I sit at home and practice piano, write and love philosophical debates). My beliefs are my beliefs and no one can belittle me on that term.

I am sharing this information with you because I believe that you can handle the information as an adult and have a reasonable conversation without resorting to hatefull or derogatory comments.

[debussy symbolism]

artistic people always have some kind of problem.  be glad you're not psycho.

Problem? I don't have a problem, but others that are an aquaintance to me think I do. I am so sick of seeing teenagers and people in general just wasting their lives by living a carefree, know nothing life, like that neighbor of mines.

Pianistimo, did you ever read the short story, "The bet"?

[pianistimo]

i vaguely remember something about it.  i think one of my kids read it.  remind me again what it is about.

'normal is nothing but a cycle on the washing machine,' woopie goldberg says.  i kind of believe her.  but,honestly, when you see people on comedy tv you realize they understand the craziness of the world.  this one guy was saying that he knew jon benet's parents were crazy by the way they dressed their daughter.  there's other kinds of crazy that pianists are,though.  typically not killers - but they can be bizarre.  i mean, wasn't gould known for going out at night and driving.  not sure what kind of inspiration nighttime is - but i've not tried it as much as daytime.

[debussy symbolism]

"The bet" by Anton Chekhov. Basically, a reporter and a big businessman made a bet, that the businessman is going to fork over a million dollars to the reporter(or journalist) if the said journalist would spend a number of years in the prison, completely shielded from outside connection with humanity, but having access to unlimited amount of books, wine, etc. The journalist spent the first number of years playing the piano, and reading light books such as light commedy, etc. Later on he ensconced himself in deeper reading, dwelving into philosophies, language, and medicine. All in all, the business man has gone broke near the end of the reporter's "time" and planned to kill him in order to not humilite himself. He finds the reporter sitting in a chair (sleeping I think) and read a note next to him, stating that money is nothing but a mean of corruption, possessing no real value. Through all the information the journalist has gained he undestood the world's relationship to corruption and negativity. The business man of course couldn't care less and was glad to not have to pay the money.

Gould was active during the night mostly, preferring to sleep during day(that's what I remember from the video, "The shadow genius". He despised being out during the day and was very active at night, calling his friends and talking to them over the phone. As most people are active during the day, hence driving around, gould had to drive around at night because he was active at night.

[quantum]

Gould was active during the night mostly, preferring to sleep during day(that's what I remember from the video, "The shadow genius". He despised being out during the day and was very active at night, calling his friends and talking to them over the phone. As most people are active during the day, hence driving around, gould had to drive around at night because he was active at night.

Gould was a friend of one of my piano teachers.  He told me a story that one night at 2 AM Gould called him up and started talking about some stuff - no emergency or anything, just random stuff.  All my teacher wanted to do is go back to bed.

[debussy symbolism]

In the documentary, "The Shadow Genius", they talk about Gould calling up people at night and having causal conversations.

[ada]

"The bet" by Anton Chekhov. Basically, a reporter and a big businessman made a bet, that the businessman is going to fork over a million dollars to the reporter(or journalist) if the said journalist would spend a number of years in the prison, completely shielded from outside connection with humanity, but having access to unlimited amount of books, wine, etc. The journalist spent the first number of years playing the piano, and reading light books such as light commedy, etc. Later on he ensconced himself in deeper reading, dwelving into philosophies, language, and medicine. All in all, the business man has gone broke near the end of the reporter's "time" and planned to kill him in order to not humilite himself. He finds the reporter sitting in a chair (sleeping I think) and read a note next to him, stating that money is nothing but a mean of corruption, possessing no real value. Through all the information the journalist has gained he undestood the world's relationship to corruption and negativity. The business man of course couldn't care less and was glad to not have to pay the money.

What a great story. I must read this.

I am not a stutterer but I suspect the person who stutters is much more conscious of it than the people they are talking to.  I would try not to be too self-conscious 

[debussy symbolism]

I used to stutter heavily most of my life. My stuttering peaked when I had to make presentations in school. In public of course my stuttering can kick in so much that I will not utter a succesful word in a minute. One on one talking you will practically not notice me stuttering. If you and I had a conversation it will be perfectly normal. I would say that I don't really sutter as much now(I don't know why, but I guess age has something to do with it). When I did stutter I would not relax, and so that negative energy would just store up inside me. However when I practice piano I learn how to relax every muscle from fingers(hands) to shoulders to face. That helps me with stuttering in that after a sentense I can just release all the stress. This way I don't stutter, especially in private talk. When I was in middle through high school(I'm in college taking music theory as well as other subjects), talking in general was hell. I simly couldn't utter a word. Concerning being self-counscious, I am not self conscious about stuttering, I am conscious of the way people react to me. Through all my years in school I have never allowed stuttering to get in the way of participating in class. I was the one to raise hands to answer question, and I was the one actually able to say something unlike those other people that just go uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Most people of course understood to not make fun of me, but there were always some (I will abstain from using profanities, but would love to, believe me.) people who just did do that. In class. When it's outside I can just forget it, but in class, a different story. I would be insulted, even though I forgive everyone on the account that if they stuttered they wouldn't want to get belittled like that either.

Easy for you to say to not be too self-conscious. I don't stutter now(or at least very little. I think piano had something to do with it( and music in general)), and definately don't feel depressed because of my stuttering. I would rather stutter, but have a knowledgeable answer, than not stutter and have nothing to say.


By the way, do read "The Bet", or anything by Chakhov for that matter. Are you by any chance into poetry? You could check out the Russian poet Pushkin.

[debussy symbolism]

I appologize for my poorly written responce. I just run through it and not even correct it.

[ada]

By the way, do read "The Bet", or anything by Chakhov for that matter. Are you by any chance into poetry? You could check out the Russian poet Pushkin.

I have read some Chekov plays but apart from that I haven't read much Russian stuff except Gogol and Solzhenitsyn.

I'll try and get hold of The Bet, and you should try Solzhenitsyn's Cancer Ward (for something light!) or a short story called The Nose by Gogol.

Then we can swap notes 

[debussy symbolism]

I have read some poems by many authors and some sonnets. The only plays I've read were that of Shakespeare and Sophocles. My favourite Shakespeare play would have to be either "The Tragedy of Othello, the moor of Venice", or "Titus Andronicus" which to tell you the truth wasn't the most pleasant thing to read. You know what I mean. Especially for you because you are a woman. . Don't you find it odd that in so many plays practically everyone dies at the end. In Titus when the 2 brothers(the queen of Goth's sons) were murdered and turned into pie that the queen unknowingly ate before dying of murder(I think it was pie. Or pastry.) That was grotesque. In this play Shakespeare goes wild and writes horror. If you have read this play, tell me what you think. If not then read it, but be warned. It is not pretty.

[debussy symbolism]

Solzhenitsyn? I have never heard of him. Should check it out.

[nanabush]

I stuttered until I was 6 and it suddenly stopped... I don't remember having it but my parents say it was a very bad stutter, every sentence.

[lau]

my voice is natually quite and calm sounding, i am so sick of people saying "what?" half the time

[debussy symbolism]

How about always hear some dumb(I will abstain from using profanities)guy blurt out, "I can't understand a word you are saying." You can't get any lower than that.

[lisztianick]

It's great to find another one with a stutter here debussy symbolism. Stuttering can vary so much between different stutterers.

I tend to speak so fast. And what is more noticeable is that my stuttering is with moods. Sometimes I can speak almost fluent, while other times it can get really bad..

[debussy symbolism]

Yes exactly. For me, it is not just the mood, as during certain times I tend to stutter more. The mood certainly is a contribution to the stuttering, with high levels of stress resulting in more stuttering. In reality I really don't care about stuttering because it is in no way of any position to stunt me. I don't stutter as much now which is good, but when I did stutter I didn't lament over it. You are right about speaking fast. I tend to blurt out words very fast simply because I can't wait to say something. This naturally hinders anyone's speech, but mine especially.

[nanabush]

I'm fine speaking french to an english person, but as soon as I speak french to another francophone, my confidence goes to zero and I stutter like MAD!!! 

[debussy symbolism]

I know what you mean. Conversating with important people or otherwise people of great dignity can be intimidating. I am much more conscious of myself. However when I speak to other people such as students I am much more at a relaxed state because I know that they won't judge me on a lever that I really care about. They can say whatever they want, and I am always curious about other's opinions about given matters, whatever those might be.

[dnephi]

https://www.toastmasters.com

I know a guy who used to stutter really badly when he was ~20 years old.  Now he's 60, but he dealed with stutterig by going to toastmasters.

I hope it helps.

[instromp]

I didnt read the whole thread but this is my 2cents too. I used to stutter when i was younger a lot, and it seemed to have went away.I often stammer from time to time but it's not nothing serious though.All of my friedns i know ha issues with stuttering in the past also.I know one thing that could stop stuttering, it's an old "stuttering custom" i would say,like someone is stuttering, slap them across the mouth with a wet rag  ,yeah i know sounds wierd but i heard it worked for some ppl 

[donjuan]

https://www.toastmasters.com

I know a guy who used to stutter really badly when he was ~20 years old.  Now he's 60, but he dealed with stutterig by going to toastmasters.

I hope it helps.

hey, for my first year of Pharmacy, they require me to go to toastmasters every week for 6 weeks.

Maybe itll help get rid of my stutter..