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[maestoso]

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[pianowolfi]

You give up too soon. There are tons of questions and not everybody has time to be online the whole day. Feel sorry if you are disappointed though. I don't know if your question was stupid, but I guess no. Maybe another try?

Greetings
Pianowolfi

[thalbergmad]

Just because nobody answers, does not mean that the question is stupid. It could mean that nobody knows the answer or more likely that the question has been asked 10,000 before and has been answered as many times.

It is best to always use the search function first, as so much ground has been covered in the past.

Bernhard usually answers, because he has massive expertise with regards to teaching. However, his time is limited as he has to ensure his own pupils are playing their Hanon correctly.

Thal

[gonzalo]

i deleted my previous question cause it seems as though if you ask a question on here the only one who will answer it is bernhard and he answers every question. thanks bernhard.  what irritates me is if you ask a question and no one answers it it must mean it is a stupid question. well understand i paid to be a member of this forum and site to ask stupid questions, but if no one answers them or has such an attitude about someone asking a simple question what the f!@#is the point in asking. this will be my last post in this forum.

Most of what you ask , and what is asked has already been discussed and answered either by Bernhard or other members of the forum. That's why I generally post links. It is so boring to see the same question again and again and again...

Take care,
Gonzalo

[maestoso]

thanks guys. sorry for the babyish comment. sometimes i get mad(as do we all). i tried searching for the answer but i didn't know how to say what i was looking for.

[pianistimo]

what ARE you looking for?  and, what, may i ask is the question?  i have a thread of my own.  'dear pianistimo.'  on that thread, you may ask one question per day.  so, either spit it out here - or - ask your serious important questions there.  i do have a bachelors in piano performance - and 15 credits towards a masters.  unfortunately, i do not know the current postage rate or what day it is.  does this matter to you - if you get the correct answer back?  i am one of those people that will research something for a week if it takes that long.  and, i have some friends.  i haven't used them yet - but they are there if need be.  sort of like 'who wants to be a millionaire' or 'cash cab.'

btw, i only joined for the sheet music.  that way - i figured i wouldn't be disappointed if i didn't get serious answers.  i've learned a lot on this forum, tho, and i  think it is singling out people you want to harass when you have a specific question for someone whom you know has a specific talent.  say, thal.  if you want some obscure piece of music - he will likely have it or find it.  if it is about performance,  ask anyone who posts in 'audition' or any of the fabs.  if you have a musicological question, ask me.  i like those kinds of things.  bernhard might be the first choice on it, too.  he will likely give you the full version.  i give the condensed.  only the best parts.

now, from your name, i was assuming you already had some aspects of music down pretty well.  can't imagine what is frustrating you so?!

[ted]

I have always thought of the forum in terms of what I can contribute and treat my membership as a sort of donation. But then perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick as usual.

[pianistimo]

you mean like the 'voodoo music' in the audition room that is going to knock out a few forumers in a week or two.

[maestoso]

what ARE you looking for?  and, what, may i ask is the question?  i have a thread of my own.  'dear pianistimo.'  on that thread, you may ask one question per day.  so, either spit it out here - or - ask your serious important questions there.  i do have a bachelors in piano performance - and 15 credits towards a masters.  unfortunately, i do not know the current postage rate or what day it is.  does this matter to you - if you get the correct answer back?  i am one of those people that will research something for a week if it takes that long.  and, i have some friends.  i haven't used them yet - but they are there if need be.  sort of like 'who wants to be a millionaire' or 'cash cab.'

btw, i only joined for the sheet music.  that way - i figured i wouldn't be disappointed if i didn't get serious answers.  i've learned a lot on this forum, tho, and i  think it is singling out people you want to harass when you have a specific question for someone whom you know has a specific talent.  say, thal.  if you want some obscure piece of music - he will likely have it or find it.  if it is about performance,  ask anyone who posts in 'audition' or any of the fabs.  if you have a musicological question, ask me.  i like those kinds of things.  bernhard might be the first choice on it, too.  he will likely give you the full version.  i give the condensed.  only the best parts.

now, from your name, i was assuming you already had some aspects of music down pretty well.  can't imagine what is frustrating you so?!

well for the most part i do, but piano music is a little more involved than guitar music ie no bass clef on guitar. anyway for my question i am confused by the 11 notes and the 22 notes in the nocturne bar 3 &4 I think. i just don't see how to read it as it sounds when i hear it. if that makes any sense let me know!

[phil13]

If you just began playing piano (as your predicament suggests) then I do not believe you are ready for Chopin's Nocturne Op.9 No.1. Find some easier pieces to ease into first, that work is Syllabus Grade 9 out of 10, and those polyrhythms are killers for a beginner.

This is not meant to intimidate you out of playing, just a frank opinion that you simply aren't ready to tackle this.

Phil

[pianistimo]

or, just forge ahead.  try https://answerpool.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/321601502/m/2436028984   (ritzmar's answers 5th or 6th message down).

do i win a prize?  i didn't even use 'call a friend.'

hershey felder supposedly plays this nocturne as it should be played.  also, here in pa we have a distinguished chopin scholar who teaches at the university of pennsylvania.  a very interesting person, as far as i've heard, and involved with most everything that happens in historicity of things.

[pianistimo]

now reading it as you hear it.  that's a very interesting question.  i happened to be googling hershey felder and came up with 'working actor's toolkit.'  so, as usual, i peeked at the 'excerpt' and found they were talking about acting and active listening.  from that one page - i took away an important point that is probably just as valid for music as acting.  to 'sponge' in listening by making constant associations or visually making images in your mind. 

for you, i have a feeling you are better at rhythms then you let on.  otherwise, why would you even be tackling the chopin nocturne.  you are probably another doctor or conductor on here.  in fact, i'm kind of hoping that you impress us all and learn the thing. 

i remember the first time i tried to transcribe a jingle off the tv.  it wasn't a complicated tune - but i needed about three go arounds to get it right.  so, for associations -maybe you have to have someone break the rhythms into manageable sections.  perhaps you are concerned with a  rubato effect on rhythm?  not being familiar with the passage - and not having read what's his names reply - fully - i would say that from what i've heard - the left hand stays constant in chopin and rh has a lot of flexibility in the rhythm. 

[quantum]

Those tuplets of 11 and 22 don't have to be excatly in rhythm with your LH.  You can push and pull within a steady LH accompaniment.  I like to make important marking points within the music where the RH and LH do line up, and inbetween these points the RH is free to use rubato as necessary.  Also look at the melodic contours of the tuplet runs, they may give you a clue as to how you may excecute your rubatos (leading to certain points, and maybe pulling back from others). 

As of yet the search function hasn't turned up anything useful.  I know this has been discussed before, it's just a matter of finding it. 

[pianistimo]

as well as quantum's explaination, i thought ritzmar's reply was very helpful.  make sure to scroll down far enough.  he gives the hints as to how to make it sound like an 'elysian meadow.'