Yamaha digital pianos, p70 or p140?

[ilikepie]

I need it for sightreading, practicing/learning the notes to a piece. Just basic functions, and even maybe for recording(with the use of external microphone of course). I will probably be carrying it around.

Another question, when they talk about polyphony, e.g. 32 and 64 notes, does this include the notes being pedaled? for example, if you pedal 33 successive notes with the 32 note polyphony, will the first be cut out?

[ilikepie]

anyone? I really want to decide, so please, even add all the other digital portable pianos available. I just want to know what you all think before I make my purchase. I have no idea of my budget though... it's after all...  my father's decision.

[tac-tics]

I have a Yamaha P60. I couldn't be happier with it.

[nsvppp]

To make your choice I would definitely check the weight of the different piano's. p70 weighs only 13.0 kg. I have the p120 and it weighs around 17.8kg. It is a bit too heavy to be comfortable with.

Success, nsvppp

[ilikepie]

I have a Yamaha P60. I couldn't be happier with it.

So you must have experience with the 32 polyphony... My question was that if you played 33 notes(sustained through pedal, not at once), would the first note be cut off?
@nsvppp - It's not the weight really...I'm not gonna bring it everywhere, maybe like once a month move, but not frequently.

[ccr]

So you must have experience with the 32 polyphony... My question was that if you played 33 notes(sustained through pedal, not at once), would the first note be cut off?
@nsvppp - It's not the weight really...I'm not gonna bring it everywhere, maybe like once a month move, but not frequently.

The polyphony is the maximum number of concurrent sounds, so the moment you press the 33th key, the first one is cuted off.

Regarding your original question, without considering the price I would choose the p250 because it's better. When the price enters the equation I think I would choose the p140  because the piano features are very similar and the other features are secondary (for me). There is a very big difference in amplification, but it is cheaper to buy a pair of autoamplified loudspeakers (like the yamaha HS80M) and attach them to the p140 and it will sound much better than the p250.

What I can tell you is that I wouldn't choose anyof the inferior models. Why? because unless I missread the specifications p140 and p250 are the only ones with GH keyboard and 3 layer piano sound.

Regards

CCR

[ilikepie]

The polyphony is the maximum number of concurrent sounds, so the moment you press the 33th key, the first one is cuted off.

Regarding your original question, without considering the price I would choose the p250 because it's better. When the price enters the equation I think I would choose the p140  because the piano features are very similar and the other features are secondary (for me). There is a very big difference in amplification, but it is cheaper to buy a pair of autoamplified loudspeakers (like the yamaha HS80M) and attach them to the p140 and it will sound much better than the p250.

What I can tell you is that I wouldn't choose anyof the inferior models. Why? because unless I missread the specifications p140 and p250 are the only ones with GH keyboard and 3 layer piano sound.

Regards

CCR

I think p70 has GH keyboard, but I don't know about the 3 layer piano sound. Anyway, I decided not to be rash and wait for my dad to arrive, then we can discuss it with him, as he provides the financing to this rather expensive idea <3 So, I'm still open to suggestions I was considering the p250, but when I saw the price tag, $2595CAD, I'm not sure now. The p140, also coincidentally is around $1495CAD so, yeah, as expected the p70 is around $770CAD.

[ccr]

I think p70 has GH keyboard, but I don't know about the 3 layer piano sound. Anyway, I decided not to be rash and wait for my dad to arrive, then we can discuss it with him, as he provides the financing to this rather expensive idea <3 So, I'm still open to suggestions I was considering the p250, but when I saw the price tag, $2595CAD, I'm not sure now. The p140, also coincidentally is around $1495CAD so, yeah, as expected the p70 is around $770CAD.

These are the most detailed specifications I've found:

p250 specifications:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=655


P140:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=832

P70:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=846

According to these pages P70 has GHS keyboard, which I'm not sure is the same that GH. And it only has 1 dynamic layer piano sound.

Also, the P140 can have 2 pedals connected (don't know if it's important for you).

Hope it helps

Carlos

[ilikepie]

These are the most detailed specifications I've found:

p250 specifications:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=655


P140:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=832

P70:
https://music.yamaha.com/products/specifications.html?productId=846

According to these pages P70 has GHS keyboard, which I'm not sure is the same that GH. And it only has 1 dynamic layer piano sound.

Also, the P140 can have 2 pedals connected (don't know if it's important for you).

Hope it helps

Carlos

Woah, thanks 
What aRE the pedals though for the p140? I guess considering value and usefulness, p140 seems to be the logical choice. Not to mention if I ever bring it around ,it won't be too heavy.

[gerry]

Yes, the total number includes sustained notes. Go for the higher polyphony - 34 makes it difficult to effectively practice Debussy and pieces like Lizst's Un Suspiro or anything that requires a long sustained wash of sound - it's amazing how quickly 34 notes accumulate!

[zeeshanb]

I would also look at the Roland FP-7 and the Kawai CL25. The FP-7 action is lighter compared to the P140 and closer to the acoutic grand piano, in my opinion. The FP-7 also has a session partner. Not sure if you care for it.
Note sure where you live but the Guitar Center usually have both on display.

The Kawai CL25 looks nice on their website but non of my local Kawai dealer has one.

Try and see which one you like and please report back the result here!

[gerry]

Considering the investment in a really good digital, no one here has spoken about reliability. These are electronic instruments and a lot can go wrong with them Have there been any Consumer Reports type testing done on the different brands? I've read elsewhere that when something goes wrong, it's often near impossible to get it fixed. In many areas there are no technicians capable of dealing with them. Some have resorted to taking parts from seldom played keys to fix defective ones. All I know is the old Yamaha PF100 that I purchased over 10 years ago has been taken camping (dust, etc) with a generator to run it, taken to Mexico, to retreats, etc. and played and practiced on extensively without a problem. Of course it's much more basic than many of the newer models but I've never had a problem with it. I can't speak for Kurtzweil, Roland, Kawai etc. I guess it would be in your interest as you shop to make inquiries about reliability and repair. Good luck!