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Offline bx1983

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Prokofiev piano concerto 3
on: September 28, 2006, 06:15:45 AM
Have anyone played this concerto? i need advice of fingering the first 12 mesures of solo part

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #1 on: September 28, 2006, 07:46:18 AM
No offence, but if you cant figure out that for yourself you are not ready for this concerto.
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 08:38:25 AM
I don't think that's entirely true, Nicco. I'm playing the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto, and a few Liszt Transcendentals, yet I still ask my teacher all the time for better fingering. I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with asking for alternate fingerings to help you along the way. It's not like people at that level have the answers to every difficulty.

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 11:04:35 AM
I don't think that's entirely true, Nicco. I'm playing the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto, and a few Liszt Transcendentals, yet I still ask my teacher all the time for better fingering. I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with asking for alternate fingerings to help you along the way. It's not like people at that level have the answers to every difficulty.

Thats OK, but for the first measures? They are like the easiest measures in the entire concerto. When someone asks this kind of question i always get suspicious that it is just some unexperienced guy who heard this once,  loved it and decided to learn it, although its way out of his league. Im certain that if i ever needed help fingering this concerto, it would most certainly not be for the first few measures. Then i would probably also need help fingering the rest of the concerto, wich means im not ready for it.
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 11:08:08 AM
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 07:51:56 AM
I dont agre with you, because i don't have problems on fingering the dificult parts of it! but u must learn that sometimes easy passages is dificult on fingering!! because is too easy and is dificult to decide!so i would apreciate a true help by someone who has really play this piece!!!!thnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #6 on: September 29, 2006, 03:56:51 PM
What fingering are you currenty using?
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #7 on: September 29, 2006, 06:35:41 PM
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L.h 1543214554321234212155115321}  this is for the first4 measures

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #8 on: September 29, 2006, 08:55:50 PM
I dont agre with you, because i don't have problems on fingering the dificult parts of it! but u must learn that sometimes easy passages is dificult on fingering!! because is too easy and is dificult to decide!so i would apreciate a true help by someone who has really play this piece!!!!thnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sometimes being able to finger hard parts doesn't mean you can play the whole piece well. Fingerings of the hard parts of this concerto are really ... obvious, for the less. I agree with Nicco, if you do not know the hand well enough to know wich fingers to use on each note, and WHY it should be so, you aren't ready for it. The answer "because it comes naturally" isn't good in most cases. You have not to think comfort, or natural movements of the hands, you have to think about the sound you will be producing.

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 10:05:06 AM
why u trying to tell me all these !!!!!!!!i am know the piano well and i know how to fingering right!!i am just asking what other people use in these measure!!!!!!!!! i dont like to hear thing that i know fom my own.

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #10 on: September 30, 2006, 10:06:57 AM
so u guys tell me all these things ...... i gave u my fingering so may u post your fingering now otherwise u cannot say all these things to me if u can't play the piece because i can play it

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #11 on: September 30, 2006, 03:27:27 PM
why u trying to tell me all these !!!!!!!!i am know the piano well and i know how to fingering right!!i am just asking what other people use in these measure!!!!!!!!! i dont like to hear thing that i know fom my own.

good for you. nobody will help you when you act like that.
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #12 on: October 01, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
so u guys tell me all these things ...... i gave u my fingering so may u post your fingering now otherwise u cannot say all these things to me if u can't play the piece because i can play it

The thing is ... I CAN play it ... damm ... you're mad.

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #13 on: October 01, 2006, 11:16:10 PM
I don't play it, but i'd do:

RH: 51234512 151254125412134 53231155 1553212
LH: 1523214   554321212             31315511  5432(1)
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #14 on: October 07, 2006, 02:01:41 PM
For $%&*'s sake Nicco, this is obviously a fair question, or at least an interesting one to ask, given that some of us have way too much time to burn on PIANOSTREET.

I agree with the original suggested fingering, mostly.

In any case, more practicing, and less online wankery, might be to the best of all concerned.
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #15 on: October 07, 2006, 04:32:29 PM
For $%&*'s sake Nicco, this is obviously a fair question, or at least an interesting one to ask, given that some of us have way too much time to burn on PIANOSTREET.

I agree with the original suggested fingering, mostly.

In any case, more practicing, and less online wankery, might be to the best of all concerned.

Whats with this urge to critisize? I only gave my opinion, and i think i was fair.
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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #16 on: October 07, 2006, 05:26:29 PM
Whats with this urge to critisize? I only gave my opinion, and i think i was fair.

It was fair indeed.

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Re: Prokofiev piano concerto 3
Reply #17 on: October 08, 2006, 02:42:33 AM
Like Lang Lang


Bach - Partita No.2
Scriabin - Etude 8/12
Debussy - L'isle Joyeuse
Liszt - Un Sospiro

Goal:
Prokofiev - Toccata

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