it must be, yes, it must be

[pianistimo]

i thought this was a profound musical statement by beethoven.  well, it turns out - just a sort of aside to a person that had to pay up.

https://ringnebula.com/Beet/B_1826.htm  scroll down to woO 196  (works without opus)

it sounds very profound in german.

[dnephi]

It comes from a Hippie Site, it's not scholarly and therefore unreliable.

However, it would be quite funny if it was true.

[pianistimo]

everything surrounding it is true - including the fact that after one of Karl's suicide attempts (which was illegal in germany at the time) beethoven put him into the regiment - and thus the dedication to his captain stutterheim of the first string quartet. 

i don't think this is a 'hippie' site.  i tend to believe that this was a quote of which makes better sense than the simple 'it must be' without any reason for saying it.  beethoven had quite a sense of humor - which made him do things without taking any drugs.  especially in regards to modifying music or quotes or dedications.

[dnephi]

Go to RingNebula.com

[pianistimo]

i take it you are a professor or something - and don't like the way i research things on the net.  well, i agree.  i am lazy and i don't read german.  so i kind of piece things together as best i can.  people like the story.  and it generally has a flow.  so...

but, where do you think more accurate information is - besides thayer.  or perhaps i should say - the third volume of thayer (which i've not read).  i think i shall sit down with thayer again at leisure.

must find more time to do scholarly research.  i kind of need someone to pay me.  do you know anyone that would?

[thalbergmad]

everything surrounding it is true - including the fact that after one of Karl's suicide attempts (which was illegal in germany at the time).

I read once that in one Country, attempted suicide was punishable by death.

Thal

[elspeth]

Possibly Japan? Although the only reason I currently have for thinking so is the plot of the Mikado, which partly hinges on the ideal of suicide being a capital offence. Possibly not an entirely reliable source!

[pianistimo]

elspeth, you should have never mentioned the mikado.  now my overactive imagination has taken over and i see thal and yoonie playing their separate parts.  thal the sailor, yoonie the mikado lady. 

[elspeth]

I think you're getting your shows mixed up, can't remember a sailor in Mikado... is Thal really your idea of a romantic hero?

[thalbergmad]

is Thal really your idea of a romantic hero?

She has got some taste

[pianistimo]

oh dear.  maybe i got him mixed up with the whimpy tailor turned high executioner.  i guess the sailor was in madame butterfly.  anyway, yes - i think thal is a sort of romantic character.  i mean, he did dress up as a bunny. 

[thalbergmad]

anyway, yes - i think thal is a sort of romantic character.  

true, i can be very romantic when the situation requires.

I have given out more than my fair share of flowers/choccies in the past.

Just looking for someone to practice on i guess.

Thal

[pianistimo]

what i don't understand is why perfectly decent guys languish over here, and perfectly decent girls languish over there.  i think all we need is a few airplane tickets.  of course, moving a continent is not so easy.

[elspeth]

i mean, he did dress up as a bunny. 

I had no idea either of your tastes ran that way!

[pianistimo]

thal is cute in a bunny costume.  that's all.  i could try to turn this into more.  like - hmm.   maybe i should have bought one too, when the kids were at the costume shop.  but, with a bad leg - how much hopping around can one do?  must be why thal is sitting eating candy. 

this is all i want.  some candy.  ok.  i just want to sit and eat candy with thal.