How do you take care of the hassle of changing pages?

[archneko]

I usually print songs from the internet, the problem is that they are all scattered! Everytime I finish 2 pages, I would have to put that behind my other pages, and reorganize the pages so that I'm reading the 3rd and 4th page. Its a real pain learning songs 12 pages long like this, changing 6 times...
Is there a way to get rid of this kind of hassle of changing pages?

[netzow]

What I have seen done (I have never personally done it) people put there music the leangth of the music rack one page from one end to the other. Hope this helps.

[jpianoflorida]

tape 3 pages together side by side, then put them all in order ..set 1, 2, 3, etc...   you can "throw" the others off the piano when you finish each group of 3 pages.

[paris]

learn it by heart 

[m1469]

Well, memorization is a good idea, as paris suggests, but of course that doesn't *always* happen.  So, I will give my suggestion based on exactly what is being asked.

There are a few reasons that I would recommend keeping otherwise loose pages of music in a clean, black, thin (as possible) three-ring binder.  One reason is that if a wind shuffles through the hall, your sheets won't be at risk of falling off the rack.  Another is that you can organize the pages to be in order and they will stay in that order.  If pages are in a three-ring binder, you don't risk them being thrown off the rack in a way that shuffles your other pages, too.

If you are in a concert and need pages turned, get a page turner  .  I have been a page turner for a lot of concerts, even some fairly famous people giving solo recitals !  So, there is no shame in it if that's what you need to do.  The point is to get it so that the paper is as out of your thought as much as possible so that you can concentrate on the music and the performance.

Hope that helps !

m1469

[jpianoflorida]

i thought it was just going to be for practice..not for a performance so...................

[m1469]

A three-ring binder works great for practice, too.  Though, I doubt you could convince somebody to turn pages for you in practice (unless you paid them really well  ).


m1469

[hyrst]

I have been trying to figure this one out - for exam purposes.  Because of copyight rules, original scores are needed in exam situations.  Some of these books are very thick and refuse to stay open.  If you don't have to change pages, you can use pegs - but what to do if you do change pages (which is most music)?  Do people usually cut their books up and use folders?  I am thinking that is the only safe way to go - but I'd rather not destroy my books, and I'm not even sure it's allowed.  Any suggestions, please?

[nicco]

Hire a page turner. Fellow students usually do this for free.

[nsvppp]

Make copies, use those copies and also take your book with you, to show where the copies came from.

[leucippus]

 

learn it by heart 

That's how I do it.

However, whilst I'm learning it I use a 3-ring binder.  I punch holes on both sides of each page so I can always put any two pages together when practicing.  I never have to worry about having more than two pages together because I've already learned the preceding pages by heart, and if this is where I'm working I won't be going on to the final pages yet anyway.

So it's never a problem for me because I never sight-read entire pieces.

I commit all of my repetoire to memory.  If it isnt' worth memorizing, it isn't worth putting into my repetroire as far as I'm concerned.

[imapnotchr]

Three ring binder and clear plastic sheet protectors.  These have an edge that is punched with three holes for a binder.  Put the loose pages in the protectors back to back and it's just like a book.  Problem solved.  You're welcome! 

[quantum]

Three ring binder and clear plastic sheet protectors.  These have an edge that is punched with three holes for a binder.  Put the loose pages in the protectors back to back and it's just like a book.  Problem solved.  You're welcome! 

Exactly what I do.  Only thing is that a large binders filled with plastic protector sheets gets pretty heavy. 

Another solution that my teacher uses, is photocopy all sheets from the book, then cut and paste them on an artist sketchbook.  You could then have page turns where you have rests, or could possibly fit a 30 page piece on one 2 page spread of a really big sketchbook.  I'd suggest you get a book that does not have perforated pages for tear out, so you don't accidently tear out a page with a vigerous turn.

For example:
https://www.currys.com/paper/prodinfo3.asp?SubcatID=4158&catID=7

[hyrst]

We are required by AMEB to play from the original published music - no photocopies are allowed, and I cannot trust my memory enough to play all my pieces confidently from memory.  We are also not allowed to have page turners - again against exam regulations.  Is this different to the policies of other exam systems?

Thanks

[mdshimazu]

Well... Our exam system is actually that you can not use music.

At my friends school if you are in your first year of study at the school you may use sheet music with no page turner. If you are past your first year, no music.

[ekirth]

Another solution that my teacher uses, is photocopy all sheets from the book, then cut and paste them on an artist sketchbook.  You could then have page turns where you have rests, or could possibly fit a 30 page piece on one 2 page spread of a really big sketchbook.  I'd suggest you get a book that does not have perforated pages for tear out, so you don't accidently tear out a page with a vigerous turn.

That's what I do  --I have a sketchbook that's an inch or so on each side larger than 8.5 x 11 for my photocopied and printed out from online music. The fitting multiple pages on a two page spread thing can be quite useful...

...and for performances where you can use your music, but just don't have the time to memorize (I played at a high school induction on two days' notice at a time when none of my pieces were memorized), a page turner is definitely optimal. If you can't use your music...tough. 

[m1469]

We are required by AMEB to play from the original published music - no photocopies are allowed, and I cannot trust my memory enough to play all my pieces confidently from memory.  We are also not allowed to have page turners - again against exam regulations.  Is this different to the policies of other exam systems?

Thanks

The original question was about loose sheets and for that the binder as I and others have suggested would work just fine. 

However, in your case, can you not just use the book ?  If that doesn't work for some reason, and I am assuming the only reasons it wouldn't is either because it is too thin and you can't trust the pages to turn one at a time without a lot of hassle or the entire thing falling off the music rack, or it is too thick and new so it won't stay open.  Or perhaps it's just awakward ?

In any event, if the entire original is thin, you can cut the seam (so each page is loose) and then put three-ring hole punches in it yourself and again, put it in a binder.  If the book is thick, you can take it to a copy store and they will cut the seam for you, put three ring holes in it so you can put it in a binder (in which case I would suggest only putting the music you need in for the exam), or they can rebind it with a spiral after cutting the seam.  This makes for easy, open propping and page turns.


m1469

[gilad]

my grandfather who used being an engineer by hobby built a little contraption with a pedal to turn his pages, he would connect them all togther like a scoll press the pedal and the page would thus be "turned"

[hyrst]

Gilad, your grandfather's invention sounds great!

Thanks, m1469, I will check out costs at binders.  The biggest problem is with the Bach WTC - two volumes in one with commentary makes for a rather large and stiff book.  Also, expensive, so I don't want to destroy it.  That sounds like the thing to do.

[archneko]

learn it by heart 

I actually have to play 6 songs for a performance, and memorizing would be pretty hard.. I printed the sheets, so I'll use the binder method. Thanks 

[pianojam]

Well... Our exam system is actually that you can not use music.

At my friends school if you are in your first year of study at the school you may use sheet music with no page turner. If you are past your first year, no music.

What exam system is that?

[chillout]

The musicpad pro

What are your thoughts on this gadget.


www.music123.com/Freehand-Systems-MusicPad-ProPlus-i423075.music

[chillout]

Also check out this web site.

https://www.freehandsystems.com/mpp_users.html

[dev]

Put an LCD screen where the music usually sits, and link a pedal to page down or just page down.

[mbmleone]

And on the computer itself you can run the  digital music stand software MusicReader. This can run on normal Windows PC although Tablet PCs and touch screens are recommended. There are also foot pedals available for this software.

[gyzzzmo]

Get a page turner for if you're performing, if its an easy piece you could actually turn the pages yourself, just find a good spot to do it.

[pianochick93]

We are required by AMEB to play from the original published music - no photocopies are allowed, and I cannot trust my memory enough to play all my pieces confidently from memory.  We are also not allowed to have page turners - again against exam regulations.  Is this different to the policies of other exam systems?

Thanks

I think if you have a 3 page piece or a 4 page piece, they would let you make a photocop of the extra 2 pages and tape them to the side of the 2nd page. At least I hope they do, because I have several pieces that are 3 pages long this exam.

[timothy42b]

Three ring binder and clear plastic sheet protectors. 

Careful with sheet protectors.  I never use them for this reason. 

Sit down at the bench to play the church service.  Have every hymn, chant, response, etc., in the correct order with all the page turns worked out just right. 

Get halfway through the first hymn.

Sun comes from behind a cloud right over your shoulder, reflects off the plastic directly into your eyeballs. 

Say words not normally used in church.  Get funny looks from those near you. 

[pianoperformer]

I memorize, everything. I'm blind so it's a necessity, but it's not that hard once you get used to it. When learning a piece, just memorize as you go. I can usually memorize a page within an hour.

[ryanyee]

tape them to ur piano

[kard]

Careful with sheet protectors.  I never use them for this reason. 

Sit down at the bench to play the church service.  Have every hymn, chant, response, etc., in the correct order with all the page turns worked out just right. 

Get halfway through the first hymn.

Sun comes from behind a cloud right over your shoulder, reflects off the plastic directly into your eyeballs. 

Say words not normally used in church.  Get funny looks from those near you. 

   bwahaha 
Would you recommend all sheet protectors come with a lighting advisory?