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Offline ihatepop

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Stress
on: October 10, 2006, 09:36:34 AM
Would anyone care to share their experiences with stress, wheather mentally, physically, or financally?
Thia is a very general question, so feel free to express you thoughts and opinions.

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Re: Stress
Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
I think the interesting thing about people under stress isn't what's making them stressed, it's just how they react. There are two basic types of person - and I think particularly of women - when a serious crisis hits, those who cry and those who organise. I organise... for instance, Friday and Saturday were nightmare days for me, all to do with work, but rather than just being scared of it I just got my head down and worked like a demon and ended up out the other end feeling very tired but terribly smug about everything I'd achieved.

And I think you have to find ways of getting rid of any stress you haven't burned off while actually dealing with the practicalities. All the cliched stuff like exercise, baths, talking to people, having a massage, making sure you find time to eat properly... it all helps.
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Offline leucippus

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Re: Stress
Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006, 06:07:44 PM
I have absolutely no reason to be stressed when playing the piano.  I'm learning to play solely for my own enjoyment.  I have no deadlines or recitals to worry about.  I'm also a self-learning and so I don't even have to worry about performing my lessons for my teacher.  In addition I have absolutely no anxiety about when I might complete a piece that I'm working on.

Yet, in spite of this entirely anxiety-free situation I still find myself stressing up in the shoulders when I play.  I've tried relaxing, going for walks, exercises (including yoga), hot baths, and meditation.  Absolutely nothing has had any affect.  I still find myself stressing up in my shoulders whenever I play.  I'm even conscious of it and keep reminding myself to relax my shoulder.

However, there are two things that keep happening.   First, when I consciously think about relaxing my shoulders I can't play well at all.   My playing turns to crap and I tons of mistakes, particularly hitting wrong keys or just lousing timing of phrases.

Then if I forget about my shoulders and just concentrate on making really good music, I play very well, but I find that I'm scrunching up my shoulders again!  I've tried EVERYTHING.  Nothing seems to work.  So I just let them tense up.  I don't know what else to do.

I might add here also, that this tensing up of the shoulders seems to be more pronounced when I'm playing pieces that I am learning.  I'm fairly new to the piano so there aren't that many pieces that I know very well, but when I do play the pieces that I have learned well, my shoulders don't tense up nearly as much, or maybe even not at all.

So the tensing of the shoulders seems to be directly related to trying to play new things that I'm not yet fluent with.  Unfortunately I plan on learning new pieces for quite some time so this is probably going to be an ongoing thing for me. Perhaps it will be a measure of how well I really own a piece.   If I can play it well without tensing up in the shoulders I'll know that I've learned it very well indeed. ;D

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Re: Stress
Reply #3 on: October 10, 2006, 09:17:19 PM
 i would bet that your bench is too high.  after all - you are six foot something?  you must get a midgit bench/chair.  probably chair.  or cut the legs off on your bench (just slightly). maybe you can work the height out with a chair first.  rocking benches might make you more tense, though - so make sure you cut all the legs the same.  if you want a piano lesson on that topic - give me a message.

most everything elspeth said - works on me.  doing housework actually unstresses me.  gardening.

cell phones and phones in general are the highest stress in my life.  i think it started when i broke my leg.  i could no longer get the phone in two or three rings.  i had to think - 'it's probably not important anyway.'  and, just hop on one leg as best i could.  sometimes the kids would take the hand held phone upstairs.  they may have been my best physical therapy. 

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Re: Stress
Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006, 09:56:18 PM
When I was a young man, my ninety-three year old grandmother said, "Don't worry and don't hurry, grandson. Worry and hurry send people into the horse-piddle." (How she pronounced "hospital")

Her statement carries with it the assumption that worry and hurry (the word "stress" was not in the general vocabulary then) are, at least to some extent, in the healthy individual, choices. Indeed, I observe that we are all subtly encouraged these days to embrace the insidious notion that anxiety, fear and rush are normal mental states. Once this happens, we have more or less shot ourselves in the foot. Many of my acquaintances seem to preoccupy themselves with constantly worrying about worry. At the slightest sign that life is rather enjoyable, they will commence thinking about a variety of terrible things which might occur to spoil it.

I have observed this strange, increasingly common,  phenomenon in the workplace for many years now. Many people seem incapable of understanding the difference between healthy concern and neurotic anxiety.  Medical emergencies, accidents and so on should rightly cause immediate concern and precipitate appropriate action. But even in these cases, mindless anxiety and fear do little to help anybody. What I have noticed recently is that people activate a degree of concern about a printer breakdown or the weather which is more appropriate to somebody collapsing on the floor. Thirty or forty years ago this just didn't happen.

Aside from observing that what we fashionably term "stress", in an otherwise mentally healthy individual, often has its roots in simple anxiety and fear, I do not have the knowledge or experience to offer any general solutions. I know my own techniques but trying to impart these to family and friends has amounted to a complete waste of time, however well intentioned I have been. Rather, my predominate state of placidity and reason serves only to irritate the people I desire to help and even exacerbates their neuroses.

So I have to admit partial defeat on this one. 
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Re: Stress
Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 10:27:36 PM
Stress is meeting a goal on or before a deadline.  If you're behind, you feel pressured.

I think your body, mind, and emotions can get worn down from continuous work and that can add even more stress.  I think you can develop strength and endurance in those areas too.
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Re: Stress
Reply #6 on: October 11, 2006, 12:29:38 AM
i think ted and bob covered both sides.  you can't be too anxious and stressed out over things like printers.  of course, i was extremely frustrated today - when all of a sudden my computer demanded a password.  i couldn't remember from three months ago what it was.  i looked in my little hand held phone book - but i couldn't remember the code letter i wrote my password under (just in case family members spied on me).  i almost had a breakdown until i remember that i also had a tv and could just sit and watch that.

now, as it so happens, my son - hearing a bunch of mutterring upstairs - came up and circumvented the password.  i have no idea how.  anyways - then - i was bored of the tv anyway.  feigning sickness i went back on the computer. 

tonight i am so tired that i couldn't be anxious or stressed if i felt like it.  perhaps bob is right about work just eliminating every feeling you have.  strangely, sleep is now welcoming.  i used to fight it when younger.  perhaps people nowdays are sleep deprived and don't even know it.

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Re: Stress
Reply #7 on: October 11, 2006, 04:24:46 AM
Stress can be get rid of. All you have to do is to look at the bright side of things. :)
Also, people face stress because they are facing set backs in their life. To get rid of the setbacks, think round, not square.

People who think round usually lead the happiest lives. If you think square, there are corners(setbacks) that will soon overwhelm you. If you think round, there are no corners and your life will be a never ending round of freedom and happiness. ;)

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Re: Stress
Reply #8 on: October 11, 2006, 04:59:07 AM
i would bet that your bench is too high.  after all - you are six foot something? 

I've actually tried different benches.  I have five pianos you know.  ;D

I don't think it's anything physical because, like  I say, I only tense up when I'm learning a piece.  I don't seem to tense up once I can play a piece.  So it must be some kind of mental thing.  I'm sure it has nothing to do with anxiety though because I don't feel anxious about learning to play the piano in the least.  It really doesn't matter to me whether I learn to play it or not.  I'm only doing it to bide my time whilst I'm waiting to die.  ;)

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Re: Stress
Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 01:12:37 PM
enjoy waiting.  that's what i'm doing too.  if you'd like i could give you a piano lesson and do you in right away.  don't be shy.  my leg is much better and i can walk to the piano. 

now, i do have a studio policy.  i'm not sure what it is anymore - but definately we stick to the piano.  or the organ.  i mean i have a hammond organ next to the piano - so you could kind of choose which way you want to die. 

also, i can give you a choice (on paper even) of exactly how you want it done.  previous teacher's gave me this idea.  some even put it on tape.  basically, you get so much piano practice homework that if you don't die - it makes you stronger (or stranger).

who knows.  it might make you want to live again.  if you think about - everythings a risk.  even piano lessons.  piano practice and gardening are about the only two things that unstress me besides piano forum.  teaching piano lessons can be stressful depending on the student.  i mean, my five year old wants to switch songs every minute.  this is highly stressful to me.

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Re: Stress
Reply #10 on: October 11, 2006, 02:34:15 PM
I've actually tried different benches.  I have five pianos you know.  ;D


Five pianos? :o Drats, I've been outdone; I've only got four  :P
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Re: Stress
Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 02:51:31 PM
wait.  are we talking cats and dogs or pianos?  four.  five?  you must be rich.  i've had one studio upright for so long.  can i have one.  one of your stray pianos?  that goes in through windows at night?

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Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 03:07:47 PM
OK, listen carefully, I shall say this only once  ;)

I have three cats, two dogs, two upright pianos and two grand pianos.

One of the grands is new, and the other must find a new home v. soon, or it is I that will be looking for a new home  :(

One of the uprights is a Kawai BL-51 which I play when I can't use the room that the grand(s) is in, and the other is a pianola that is in the storeroom until I restore the pianola mechanism.  (In with the harpsichord and the reed organs that I am also planning to restore  :P)

Can someone lend me some time, please?
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Reply #13 on: October 11, 2006, 03:27:53 PM
oh no.  not another one of those people.   ;)

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Reply #14 on: October 11, 2006, 03:31:29 PM
wot u mean lady, "those people" ?  :o  u wanna fite?  ;D
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Re: Stress
Reply #15 on: October 11, 2006, 03:54:02 PM
next in line to chain saw murderers.  they tear apart pianos and harpsichords and pianolas at night.  by day, they look normal.  and, do they ever guarantee results?  and, what is this about reed organs? 

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Re: Stress
Reply #16 on: October 11, 2006, 11:48:39 PM
Stress is about your control over things.
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Re: Stress
Reply #17 on: October 12, 2006, 05:29:27 AM
THANK you, Bob, for changing the subject back to its original form. :)

I really hate it when people change topics. >:(

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