Music discovery or invention?

[lisztisforkids]

Same with all art....Subjective? Culutural? I find it hard to beleive cuz amdist all of the new types of music I am drawn to classical...

[prometheus]

It is neither. First of you don't comprare music with other art forms. I think it would be more correct to compare it with language. Now, was language discovered or invented? Language is an organ. It evolved like any other orgin.

Music is part language-part art. And art in general is also created by evolution. But a piece of art is not.


If music is to be discovered then that means it exists outside or without people. Organised sound does exist without a human. But it wouldn't be music because the sound needs to be interpreted the right way. The way humans interpret organised sound. So I say that one can rule out that music was discovered.

Music evolved, both in the darwinistic as in the everyday sense.

[lisztisforkids]

It is neither. First of you don't comprare music with other art forms. I think it would be more correct to compare it with language. Now, was language discovered or invented? Language is an organ. It evolved like any other orgin.

Music is part language-part art. And art in general is also created by evolution. But a piece of art is not.


If music is to be discovered then that means it exists outside or without people. Organised sound does exist without a human. But it wouldn't be music because the sound needs to be interpreted the right way. The way humans interpret organised sound. So I say that one can rule out that music was discovered.

Music evolved, both in the darwinistic as in the everyday sense.

 
  I disagree. Their is absolutely no biological reason we have organised music. Why would we evolve to enjoy music?

 I agree that music changes, but it dosent evolve. New forms of music come about from technology, new techniques, and fads.

[Waldszenen]

In my opinion, it's neither - music (and all other forms of art and literature) are just manipulations of things that already exist.

[prometheus]

I disagree. Their is absolutely no biological reason we have organised music. Why would we evolve to enjoy music?

Maybe not in the biological sense you are thinking about. But in that sense neither does our intelligence. We are the only species with the level of intelligence we have. Most species on earth are far more succesful than we are without it. Almost all life on earth has no intelligence at all.

No, evolution doesn't only operate through natural selection. Our brains were almost certainly a product of sexual selection. And so is language, art, music and all things like those. There is no biological reason in the 'survival of the fittest' sense. But our ancestors must have favored partners who were well spoken, had a sense of humor, had the ability to generate creative thought etc.

Sure, intelligence helps with getting food and the like. But our brains require a lot of energy. As you get more intelligent you will also need more food. So the seemingly big advantage isn't that great.

I agree that music changes, but it dosent evolve. New forms of music come about from technology, new techniques, and fads.

New forms of music don't come about just by technology. Human things like culture and fasion can not remain static. These things will just change for the sake of changing itself. Why not call this evolution?