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Offline zhiliang

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Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
on: January 29, 2004, 04:51:03 AM
Hi everyone,

I would like to hear from you all as to who are the best conductors for accompanying piano concertos from the past to now?

My list will go something like this:

1. Reiner
2. Kondrashin
3. Abbado
4. Ormandy
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #1 on: January 29, 2004, 03:06:13 PM
Well...
Rachmaninov wouldn't have been bad.
Yep i think i'll hire him in my next dream.
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #2 on: January 29, 2004, 05:08:11 PM
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Hi everyone,

I would like to hear from you all as to who are the best conductors for accompanying piano concertos from the past to now?

My list will go something like this:

1. Reiner
2. Kondrashin
3. Abbado
4. Ormandy


 For me, it's Barbirolli, HANDS DOWN.  Kondrashin is also great, as well as Reiner and Szell.
 Of course my two dream concerts to attend if I ever acquire a time machine:

 Premiere of the Liszt 1st piano concerto with Liszt at the keyboard and Berlioz conducting.

 Premiere (I think) of Rach 3rd with the ROCK at the piano and Mahler conducting.
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #3 on: January 30, 2004, 06:00:39 AM
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 Premiere of the Liszt 1st piano concerto with Liszt at the keyboard and Berlioz conducting.

 Premiere (I think) of Rach 3rd with the ROCK at the piano and Mahler conducting.


Yeah i have to agree with the dream combination but guess we have no chance of hearing that to see for ourselves whether it will be a great combination.

I also believe that not necessarily 2 great artists are able to work together and produce magic. Their concepts of the piece may be so different. One example is the DG recording of Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 by Richter and Karajan.

Does anybody remember the Horowitz live performance with Barbirolli on Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto? I read that it was quite bad and in the 3rd movement, Horowitz decided that the pace was jus too slow and he just went ahead on his own, thus the nickname "tornado from the steppes".

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Zhiliang
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #4 on: January 30, 2004, 12:30:39 PM
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Does anybody remember the Horowitz live performance with Barbirolli on Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto? I read that it was quite bad and in the 3rd movement, Horowitz decided that the pace was jus too slow and he just went ahead on his own, thus the nickname "tornado from the steppes"


On Horowitz's debut? The audience loved it!
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #5 on: January 30, 2004, 03:08:55 PM
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Yeah i have to agree with the dream combination but guess we have no chance of hearing that to see for ourselves whether it will be a great combination.

I also believe that not necessarily 2 great artists are able to work together and produce magic. Their concepts of the piece may be so different. One example is the DG recording of Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 by Richter and Karajan.

Does anybody remember the Horowitz live performance with Barbirolli on Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto? I read that it was quite bad and in the 3rd movement, Horowitz decided that the pace was jus too slow and he just went ahead on his own, thus the nickname "tornado from the steppes".

Regards,

Zhiliang


 First of all, both those performances ACTUALLY happened.  And the conductor you're referring to is Sir Thomas Beecham, NOT Barbirolli (big difference).
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #6 on: January 31, 2004, 12:35:17 AM
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 First of all, both those performances ACTUALLY happened.  And the conductor you're referring to is Sir Thomas Beecham, NOT Barbirolli (big difference).



IN horowitz's book, he said he was thinking 'He can go to hell!'

cause the pace is too slow, and Horowitz said the conductor didn't even know the score.
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #7 on: January 31, 2004, 03:34:20 AM
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 First of all, both those performances ACTUALLY happened.  And the conductor you're referring to is Sir Thomas Beecham, NOT Barbirolli (big difference).


Yeah i am sorry about that. Mistake on my part. Am mixed up with the both of them. But i guess that you will prefer Sir John Barbirolli more than Sir Beecham  :P
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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #8 on: January 31, 2004, 03:36:00 AM
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On Horowitz's debut? The audience loved it!
Ed


I guess that maybe the audience loved the solo playing but maybe it didnt sound all to well at all considering that the conductor is not even sure of the score and was still going on in his own tempo. Is there any recording of this live performance?

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Re: Best Conductor For Piano Concertos
Reply #9 on: January 31, 2004, 04:05:35 AM
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I guess that maybe the audience loved the solo playing but maybe it didnt sound all to well at all considering that the conductor is not even sure of the score and was still going on in his own tempo. Is there any recording of this live performance?

Zhiliang


 This holy grail of recordings has been bandied about as rumoured to exist, but I seriously doubt it.
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