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Offline infectedmushroom

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Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
on: December 26, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
Wich Scriabin piece is, in your opinion, the most difficult one?




For me it's Etude Op. 42 No. 5

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #1 on: December 26, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
sonata no 8 is up there. so is etude op 42 no 5. btw, you might want to move this to that poll section.
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 06:10:31 AM
I tried sight reading the climax of the Fantasy...didn't work out so well.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 03:45:18 PM
All of them
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 05:16:53 PM
all of the sonatas are very difficult, espeially the last 5.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 07:02:36 PM
all of the sonatas are very difficult, espeially the last 5.

I agree for Sonata #5. Richter once said-Scriabin's 5th Sonata is one of the pieces which you have to practice and practice wholle your life...

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 10:42:49 PM
The op.62 etudes or the 7th sonata
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 12:46:53 AM
I agree for Sonata #5. Richter once said-Scriabin's 5th Sonata is one of the pieces which you have to practice and practice wholle your life...


Sonata No. 5 is not one of the last five sonatas lol.  Those would be 6/7/8/9/10, yes?


Hardest pieces are Poeme "Vers la Flamme" Op. 72, Sonata No. 8, Sonata No. 7, Sonata No. 10 and Etudes Op. 65, in the order.  Preludes Op. 74 are weird too.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 01:04:08 AM
Doesn't Scriabin have a ridiculous Nocturne for left hand?

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 04:01:50 AM
Vers la flamme is one of his most difficult pieces? 
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 06:13:49 AM
There is stuff in No 8 that looks way scarier than Vers la Flamme. 


Anyways where does the concerto fit in difficulty?  I haven't yet had a chance to hear it or see the score.  :-[
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 06:17:03 AM
the concerto is an earlier piece, op 20 to be exact. id say it would fit in the area of the op 8 etudes, difficulty-wise. however, it can be a bit hard interpretatively. it is very dramatic and emotional and requires a passionate performer. it wouldnt qualify as one of his hardest pieces though. i dont think prometheus would either, for that matter.
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #12 on: January 01, 2007, 01:22:06 AM
In general, the sonatas are Scriabin's most difficult pieces.  There are some etudes with roughly equivalent technical requirements, but they lack comparable difficulties in architecture, length, etc.  Almost everyone I've spoken to who's played it has agreed that the eighth sonata is the hardest, although the seventh is often cited in the same breath.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 10:52:41 PM
Are his sonatas in a whole different range than other pieces like Liszt/Rach etudes, Chopin Sonatas, Gaspard etc..  or about there?
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 11:07:30 PM
There is stuff in No 8 that looks way scarier than Vers la Flamme. 


Anyways where does the concerto fit in difficulty?  I haven't yet had a chance to hear it or see the score.  :-[
its a wonderful piece, but does not seem that difficult technically - not many virtuosic fireworks but gorgeous melodies...
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #15 on: January 19, 2007, 03:01:51 PM
I've only played one piece by him (memorising as we speak), and from inference, I'd say ALL his music is really hard: technically, sometimes, but ALWAYS as far as interpretation goes.

Poeme in D Op. 32 (the one I'm playing) nearly took me a month to figure out where the melody lay and how to silence the bass (which nearly killed me because I liked it more than the melody!)
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #16 on: January 22, 2007, 05:12:21 PM
Doesn't Scriabin have a ridiculous Nocturne for left hand?

Klick

Yeah, and a much less difficult LH Prelude to go with it. It's hard, but not on the same level as some of the others mentioned.

In general, the sonatas are Scriabin's most difficult pieces. There are some etudes with roughly equivalent technical requirements, but they lack comparable difficulties in architecture, length, etc. Almost everyone I've spoken to who's played it has agreed that the eighth sonata is the hardest, although the seventh is often cited in the same breath.

I completely agree. The etudes can be monsters, but I don't think there's one that lasts over 4 minutes or changes from the classic A-B-A form.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #17 on: January 26, 2007, 10:34:03 AM
I do so hate these polls, but if I were to be asked at gunpoint to select one piece in this one, it would have to be Sonata No. 8. Like No. 10, the hypertense febrile helter-skelter of fragments that occurs towards its end is monstrously hard to control, let alone render meaningful and the oft-repeated (in different guises) passage in fourths is also notoriously tricky to bring off every time without fail - and these are just two examples of what makes that piece a real challenge, even by Skryabin's exalted standards.

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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #18 on: January 29, 2007, 03:31:00 AM
Wich Scriabin piece is, in your opinion, the most difficult one?




For me it's Etude Op. 42 No. 5

i performed 42/5, i can assure u, except the 2nd page (which is a B to play well, the polyphonic nature of this part is very weird, the reconfiguration demand on the 2,3 fingers is unheard of in other pieces, but it is doable) it's not as bad as it looks.

but on the other hand, the late scriabin sonata....

are just pure nutcases

i wish one day i can perform a perfect scriabin 5th sonata, then i can just die right on stage.
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Re: Most difficult Scriabin piece!?
Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 04:12:07 PM
well in my opinion is dificult to select i played all scriabin pieces for piano.
The concerto Op.20 in my opinion is not dificult. more dificults are sonata no.7.
The etude Op.65 No.1  and well a bit must be fantasy.
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