nasa's speculation on pole shift 2012

[pianistimo]

not being a scientist - i am baffled at what actually occurs in a pole shift and how frequently they happen.  now, it is said that recently the sun experienced a polar shift.  now, they are predicting it again for the sun.  (first i mistook the earth).

what do you scientists think? - and do you think this is a possibility for the future? 

ok  here's the site:

www.gvnr.com/74/3.htm

now, regarding the earth - and polar shifts - there is a very wide discrepancy between how close they happen.  one site saying every 3,000 plus years, another 5,000, another 10,000 years and another millions. 

[thalbergmad]

not being a scientist - i am baffled at what actually occurs in a pole shift and how frequently they happen.  now, it is said that recently the sun experienced a polar shift.  now, they are predicting it again for the sun.  (first i mistook the earth).

what do you scientists think? - and do you think this is a possibility for the future? 

ok  here's the site:

www.gvnr.com/74/3.htm

now, regarding the earth - and polar shifts - there is a very wide discrepancy between how close they happen.  one site saying every 3,000 plus years, another 5,000, another 10,000 years and another millions. 

Why ask for the opinion of scientists, you will not listen anway.

You undoubtedly have your own theories probably based on the 2nd coming or some crap like that.

[pianistimo]

i have no idea what happens during a polar shifting of the earth.  but, the little bit i've read - indicates that the earth's axis would be shifted.  but, the polar regions that we now have - seemingly indicate they'd been there at least since the flood.  but what i can't understand - is that IF a polar shift took place at the time of Jesus death (accounting for the sun actually setting at noon and being dark for three hours and a lunar eclipse lasting longer than the usual short amount of time) then it would have been within the last 1,973 years if He died 33AD.  now - i'm wondering if this polar shift was true then - what occurs (besudes the sun and the moon becoming dark and major earthquakes?) 

how are magnetic fields of the earth changed without MAJORLY affecting the way the rivers run and things that depend on magnetic fields or earth axis.  it seems that there should be many many things that changed in the earth - at the time of a polar shift.  also, possibly migrations of birds.  so many things.  it's just strange to think about.   

[thalbergmad]

I knew it had to have something to do with Jesus.

You are single tracked.

[pianistimo]

and, yet multi tracked.  i mean - if the bible and the earth geology coexist harmoniously - then there should be proof of not just a couple of earthquakes - but a major earth shift or tilt.  which - would affect the entire world.  the rivers.  everything.

ok.  just for interest - i looked up geological reference points for other places around the globe at approx. 33AD  i found that a geological scientist by the name of payson sheets found some huge lava flows 75AD plus or minus 50 years that buried meso-american cities.  cuicuilo in the valley of mexico, in the area of chiapis (used to be called zaraheula), santa rosa, and chiapade corzo were burned @ 50 AD plus or minus a few decades - and the area of el salvadore showed huge changes.

now, i am curious - because this magnetic change would affect every single river in the world.  all the rivers would show some kind of course change due to an earth tilt or polar shift.

[thalbergmad]

No, single tracked. Still bible related.

[pianistimo]

ok.  how about this site on all the climate change in alaska - and relating it to a shift of the pole already happening:

www.greatdreams.com/spinaxis.htm

this is the area where i used to live - and i can confirm that when i visited last - the summers were 5 - 10 degrees hotter than when i grew up there.  we never got much past 65 in the summer.  i go and experience 70- 75 degree weather.  unheard of.  much less rain.  animals migrating wierdly or not knowing where to go at all - like the polar bear who have less icepacks.

[thalbergmad]

POINT?

[pianistimo]

the point is that the pole shift is real.  let the thread alone and let someone else respond.

[thalbergmad]

the point is that the pole shift is real.  let the thread alone and let someone else respond.

no

[arbisley]

That last post from pianistimo is more to do with global warming....

The pole shift is something to do with a change of magnetic field, not actually an axis changing or anything like that. Some studies say that the magnetic pole (north pole today) changes about every 10000 years, and last time it happened was about that amount of time ago, therefore soon it should change again. That would mean us not being able to use a compass in boy scouts or brownies clubs any more, what a pity, we'll have to resort to GPS routers....

There have been a large number of "signs" in crop circle mysteries over the last few decades, which all indicate that something major should happen on 12/12/2012. I think some people like mixing up science and some wild-fangled theories which no doubt have some sort of proof basis, since these crop circles are actually impossible to do for any normal human, and appeared in many cases in less than 30 minutes, the most famous one near stonehenge where visitors would have seen anything happening.

Of course other Jehova's witnesses might claim it is yet another proof of te approaching apocalypse, and that will happen on the above mentioned date.

I'm curious to see whether anything will actually happen on that day, apart from hundreds of millions of people going to do mindless christmas shopping...

and I don't quite get how you go from a polar change to the fact that it should have happened when christ died... Maybe when the polarity of the magnetic field changes/the apocalypse comes/some unknown thing happens is the day when christ comes back, but for the moment it's a load of codswallop of a mixture of hard science and silly speculation in my view.

It is really rather annoying when people get things mixed up!!!!

[maul]

Crop. Circles. Are. Made. By. Humans. Period.

[prometheus]

It's the poles of the sun, not the earth. It happens every 11 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle


It seems conspiracy theory people hijacked this info because of the date 2012, when the Majans stopped working out their calender because it didn't make any sense to continue even futher.

[thalbergmad]

The end of the 5th sun is upon us.

It was predicted in the Book of Pianistimo.

Repent ye repent.

Thal

[mad_max2024]

The sun's poles are going to shift
yipee
It will probably be very exciting for some guy who studied the sun his whole life...
It will probably be unnoticed by the rest of us...

According to the site the sun's poles shift every 11 years, so if that means jesus is coming there should be a lot of jesus already out there...

[thalbergmad]

Yeh, well over 180 (he says searching for his calculator)

[pianistimo]

well, thal - that simple 'no' and somehow i just can't stay mad at you.  i was really mad at you earlier.  in fact, i said to myself - 'i'm never talking to him again.'  but, of course - i had to look at your one 'last message' before i consigned myself to the doom imposed upon me (besides the one of never messaging you again).  although the thought had crossed my mind to attempt it.  but, then i thought - 'no, that would look desperate.'

so - i sit here thinking 'how did this thread manipulate itself into talk about crop  circles.'  yes.  they are man made -- unless...unless there are really amazing rubber stamps that drop from the sky.  maybe some sort of comet or asteroid that has a crop circle pototoe stamp form.  perhaps - perhaps it's a giant potatoe period.

in any case - i'm not convinced that slight changes in the magnetic field can't happen.  i mean - why else would the pole be shifting (more and more) from true north to a wider magnetic north.  now, sooner or later - perhaps quite suddenly - there would be the absolute shift (right?) where the poles reverse.  now, that would be quite spectacular - according to all of the ideas posed about the sun being darkened, and the moon, and the tectonic stuff (affected by the magnetism) and volcanoes.   and, rivers and the course of water.

ok.  i have an active imagination.  but, i'm also curious.  i mean - the weather has been really strange and much warmer than ever before here in pa.  now, in alaska - the same - but i think that there it could be said that it is a combination of global warming AND a pole shifting.  i mean - where IS the magnetic north now?

[thalbergmad]

'i'm never talking to him again.' 

Good and as of 1 second into the new year, you won't be abe to anyway.

[chopiabin]

I actually recently read a book by a non-Christian psychedelic philosophher, partially on the same subject - The Return of Quetzalcoatl in 2012.

He believes (with a lot of science to support him) that with the exponentilly increasing destruction of the planet, man will soon experience a shift in consciousness that has evolutonary benefits. He also suggests that many world religions, including the Mayans, predicted these shifts in consciousness as happening in cycles - this next shift being the end of a cycle.

Very interesting book...a little new-age, but very well-researched and supported.

[thalbergmad]

I actually recently read a book by a non-Christian psychedelic philosophher, partially on the same subject - The Return of Quetzalcoatl in 2012.

If i remember correctly, the Mayans split time into 5 suns and the 5th sun ends Aug 2012.

It is a shame that the the Spanish Invasion was first thought to have been the return of Quetzalcoatl by the natives. Bit of a massive mistake that.

Thal

[prometheus]

Come on, it is all psuedo-science based on mythology.

I don't understand what Pianistimo wants with this. It seems this stuff kind of fits with how she wants the world to see, even if it is not true and even if it is not Christian.


Actually, Christians argue otherwise. They claim that any anomaly in the earth's magnetic field proves that the field is decaying. And that means it can't have been decaying at the rate we see now for 4.6 billion years.

[bench warmer]

I think "P" is needlessly maligned on this posting. She asked for some scientific clarification, then BAM! religion, second-coming and other esoterica percolated in. Unless she was planning a "bait and trap" on this one she shouldn't have gotten Flamed.

There was an article in Scientific American & possibly Discover Magazine in the past year about magnetic pole shifts (on Earth anyway).  Had to do with the molten Iron flowing in opposite currents in each hemisphere and how they precess (I think) because of the planet's rotation. I forget when will have to reset our needle-compasses again, but it is cyclic.

Check the web sites of the two magazines for more (and better) explanation.

[pianistimo]

thanks bench warmer!  *do they have scientific american in large print?  like reader's digest?  i'd read it if i didn't have to bring it up to my face and try to make out the words.

[prometheus]

Science invented 'glasses' a long time ago.

[thalbergmad]

Science invented 'glasses' a long time ago.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[prometheus]

Hmm, contrary to Thalbergmad I don't think this was particulary funny. So if it was insulting I apologise. But really, if there is a special edition of Scientific American I think you will need to make a special order somewhere.