Ivo Pogorelich got AIDS!!!?

[sevencircles]

is it true that Pogo has got AIDS (or is at least H.I.V. positive)?

[daniel patschan]

What !?! Where did you here that ? Shocking !!!

[prometheus]

This is how silly rumours start.

[pianistimo]

i think it's a rumor too.  he's probably more careful than anyone - and probably is celibate.  i think he deeply misses his wife.  if he has a death wish - it is likely that he isn't going by aids - but by sorrow.  much like christopher reeve's wife - even though she had cancer.

[sevencircles]

I hope so too.

He would propably not be the first one in the world to announce that he was H.I.V. positive, though.

He is not a very social human being.

[counterpoint]

sevencircles, could you please tell us, where you got this "info"?

If you are not very sure about it - what do you intend with this thread?

Why do you accuse Pogorelich with a strange statement like "He is not a very social human being." 

[pianistimo]

a lot of pianists aren't that social.  it isn't really important.  if one is an artist - why should their personal lives matter to their audience unless they are attempting to build a relationship with them on a more intimate setting (as with salon) and telling more about themselves or their music by their own choosing.

[sevencircles]

Why do you accuse Pogorelich with a strange statement like "He is not a very social human being."

Nothing negative with that in itself.

He is just not a person that mentions every detail about himself in public every month.

I don´t think he would go public about it if he was H.I.V. positive.

I heard the H.I.V. story from a friend of mine that usually doesn´t make things up.

[iumonito]

I feel this is an opportunity for growth for both you and me.  You should not spread gossip.  I should not judge you for doing so.

I met Pogorelich once in Caracas.  He is a fine guy, not crazy, not anti-social, not unkind or egotistic.  Great artist and not full of himself at all.  I also had a house-mate years ago that was Pogorelich's friend way back when in the former Yugoslavia.  She described him as a sensitive and caring person, witty and generous.

And say he had HIV; that's none of our business.

[el nino]

im from croatia,so i would know if this was truth

[cygnusdei]

https://www.healtoronto.com/nih/NIH%20Rebuttal2.pdf

[iumonito]

Please.  Do you also not believe in global warming?  Evolution?

Plus, this is besides the point.  None of our business.

[pianistimo]

hey...watch it with the evolution.  there's no real proof for it.  (excepting a few piltdown figurines - which i have knocked over.  and, a few filed chimp teeth).

as i see it (returning to topic at hand) - if you are suspecting you have aids - it would still be good to get hiv test.  but, as i read it - you can have antibodies to the hiv virus in your system after 6 months.  so, that is how some people with aids test negative to hiv virus.  some of the tests are more expensive than others - but really - testing for aids is a moot point and kind of like pregnancy test from what i read.  after a while - you start getting infections that you cannot get rid of.  for women this could be a variety of different ones than men.  also, weight loss.  and, general malaise and tiredness.  also, night sweats for over a  month.  or swollen glands.  skin infections and rashes. 

i think it would be fairly obvious in the stages of aids (where doctors diagnose an infection that won't clear up - even after treatment - or keeps coming back) that the CD4 cells are infected and are not able to function.

to me, the sad thing about aids is that like some other diseases - it can be contageous (especially if the person doesn't know they have it).  so, i think that one should not rely soley on tests.  if you want to really play it safe - get to know a person past six months and even then - consider not only asking them if they think they have been exposed to it - but being realistic about the chances (if they are not telling you the truth) and considering celibacy until marriage.  it's highly unlikely for a monogamous couple to get aids unless they've had previous partners or have an affair.  honesty is always the best policy. 

lung diseases are also one of the symptoms.  and coughs that won't go away.

[prometheus]

Suggesting that HIV does not cause AIDS. Sheesh, that's not very helpful.

hey...watch it with the evolution.  there's no real proof for it.  (excepting a few piltdown figurines - which i have knocked over.  and, a few filed chimp teeth).

Just shut the *** up. There are millions of experiments that provide evidence for evolution.

[minor9th]

I've read news articles lately that state circumcised men are 40% less likely to contract AIDS. There's quite a push in Africa now to circumcise adult men. It's a lot better to have it done at birth!

[prometheus]

It's just as painful for the child as any other time.

Research on circumcision seems kind of ambigious. Unless this is a new and in-depth paper I will consider circumcision to have no positive effects.


Also, even if it does reduce the change to get aids it is poor medical ethics to mutulate a child only for 40% less chance to get aids. You cut away a major part of intimite and sensitive tissue without any medical reasons.

[le_poete_mourant]

I'm guessing the ridiculous assumption that Ivo Pogorelich has AIDS is based on his appearance in New York, when he had his head shaved. 

I've read news articles lately that state circumcised men are 40% less likely to contract AIDS. There's quite a push in Africa now to circumcise adult men. It's a lot better to have it done at birth!

Well, I read a news article on the BBC that said 100% of Irish banknotes have traces of cocaine on them.  I kid you not.  Statistics are not always accurate.  Better would be to push birth control in Africa, i.e. condoms, to prevent the spread of AIDS.  Sex ed would help too.  Even if it's true, 40% means that there's still a 60% chance of it. 

https://www.healtoronto.com/nih/NIH%20Rebuttal2.pdf

This is indeed ridiculous.  Dissent for the sake of dissenting.