SDC Lingo Problem

[dabbler]

the problem is, most of the people who try to speak intelligently here with big fancy words and long stringed sentences, end up just waffling all the time (the names don't need mentioning). there are people here who i consistently cannot avoid just scrolling threw the whole of their posts because i know its just full of rubbish, either in terms of vocabulary or just general rabble.

I've probably not been around for long enough to suffer too much from this. But I agree with you that such people exist (and I'll add: everywhere, not only here)

so who would you rather read, someone who posts mainly sense but in a funny lingo, or someone who tries to make themselves sound like a Professor but ends up making barely any sense and no contribution whatever to your life or the subject of the piano?

Someone who posts mainly sense, in a funny _and_ understandable lingo...   

[liszt-essence]

As long as they stay on their own turf, I think it's fine.

Yet when they show up here, and act the same way they do on their own forum, I say f*ck 'em; BAN!

I have no need of a bunch of idiotic kids spraying their idiotic language all over the forum. Go wank off to some ingul wolf recording or something. Seriously; just p*ss off.

[steinwaymodeld]

I find it astonishing that Nils would consider censoring SDC lingo out of PF.

As he himself suggests, it's as much about keeping SDC culture out of PF as it is getting rid of what can be irritating weazel words.

But I don't think the internet is something that can be regulated. It tends to have a life of its own beyond the reach of conventional control mechanisms, which is one of the most interesting things about it. To think you can keep a particular language or culture out is, well, unrealistic.

I suspect banning SDC lingo and culture from PF will only be counter-productive, just like banning the Australian flag turned out to be down under, but that's another story.

As I've noted before there's no doubt da SDC is testosterone fuelled, juvenile, offensive and misogynist. But it's also highly irreverent and more than a little bit post-ironic.

This isn't so different to what the Dadaists (one of the most important creative and intellectual/anti-intellectual movements ever) were doing almost 100 years ago when they deliberately set out to provoke and outrage and challenge boundaries, and it's also why I am a quiet fan of da SDC.

I also recall not so long ago that PF was innundated with biblical quotes, preaching and creationist propaganda. This stuff was no less offensive than SDC lingo but there was never any suggestion that  biblical spamming be banned from the forum to protect the PF "culture".

If you take this into account the move to erase SDC lingo seems just a little hypocritical.

I just want to thank you for letting me know, there is at least someone with a sense of humor and ability to think in here.

The unnecessary censorship of words, and the pretentiousness of people here (as i recall in other thread, someone calling people 'stupid' for not knowing what 'promiscuous 'means.)
Or just down-right offensive (thal calling SDC talking-style 'talking like retarded', which i can simply describe your use of excessive and redudant wording 'talking like obesed' (just using a simile, just as an example.)
or as in the last thread 'fuxkin idiot' 'let them jack off to a bunch of xxx video', are precisely the reason of existence of SDC,
people might talk vulgar there, but at least they are being honest and true to themselves, and most importantly, we know we have respect for each others. 

So those offense directing to SDC-lingo-user are accepted because they are typed in appropiate english? Or simply because they are support the pianostreet's admin's cause of genocide of ones who are different or simply, having a sense of humor?

I am glad there are people with a mind of rebel, otherwise we will still believe the world is a plain, studying alchemy, drilling holes into ones who we believe are suffering from psychoatic disorder (i think Thal and Lisztessence will enjoy this notion very much).

between 'hahahahahhaah u mo fo' or 'let those fuxkin idiots jack off to ingulf's video'
which one is more offensive?
I rest my case.

[liszt-essence]

I just want to thank you for letting me know, there is at least someone with a sense of humor and ability to think in here.

The unnecessary censorship of words, and the pretentiousness of people here (as i recall in other thread, someone calling people 'stupid' for not knowing what 'promiscuous 'means.)
Or just down-right offensive (thal calling SDC talking-style 'talking like retarded', which i can simply describe your use of excessive and redudant wording 'talking like obesed' (just using a simile, just as an example.)
or as in the last thread 'fuxkin idiot' 'let them jack off to a bunch of xxx video', are precisely the reason of existence of SDC,
people might talk vulgar there, but at least they are being honest and true to themselves, and most importantly, we know we have respect for each others. 

So those offense are accepted because they are typed in appropiate english? Or simply because they are support the pianostreet's admin's cause of genocide of ones who are different or simply, having a sense of humor?

I am glad there are people with a mind of rebel, otherwise we will still believe the world is a plain, studying alchemy, drilling holes into ones who we believe are suffering from psychoatic disorder (i think Thal and Lisztessence will enjoy this notion very much).

between 'hahahahahhaah u mo fo' or 'let those fuxkin idiots jack off to ingulf's video'
which one is more offensive?
I rest my case.

First of all, youre misquoting me. I wasn't talking about xxx video's. Ingulf Wonder is a 'god' at sdc, no porn actor. Second I never called them f*cking idiots.. Just idiots. (Subtle difference, but you use it to make it seem more dramatic)

Second. I apologize, my reaction crossed the line, it was too offensive. It's just that I find their language extremely annoying. It's the stuff I did when I was 14 years old, with the rest of my internet friends.

They are entitled to whatever provocative opinion they choose to have. As long as it's expressed in plain english for god's sake.

[liszt-essence]

(double post)

[debussy symbolism]

I find it astonishing that Nils would consider censoring SDC lingo out of PF.

As he himself suggests, it's as much about keeping SDC culture out of PF as it is getting rid of what can be irritating weazel words.

But I don't think the internet is something that can be regulated. It tends to have a life of its own beyond the reach of conventional control mechanisms, which is one of the most interesting things about it. To think you can keep a particular language or culture out is, well, unrealistic.

I suspect banning SDC lingo and culture from PF will only be counter-productive, just like banning the Australian flag turned out to be down under, but that's another story.

As I've noted before there's no doubt da SDC is testosterone fuelled, juvenile, offensive and misogynist. But it's also highly irreverent and more than a little bit post-ironic.

This isn't so different to what the Dadaists (one of the most important creative and intellectual/anti-intellectual movements ever) were doing almost 100 years ago when they deliberately set out to provoke and outrage and challenge boundaries, and it's also why I am a quiet fan of da SDC.

I also recall not so long ago that PF was innundated with biblical quotes, preaching and creationist propaganda. This stuff was no less offensive than SDC lingo but there was never any suggestion that  biblical spamming be banned from the forum to protect the PF "culture".

If you take this into account the move to erase SDC lingo seems just a little hypocritical.

I think that the main reason Nils does not want sdc lingo to permeate this forum is because it has a tendency to make conversations look like a joke and no one will take them seriously.

I find it interesting that you compare da sdc to the "Dadaist" movement and mention that the internet is a place not bound by regular standarts. I think that in itself is more related to the Dada as that particular culture sets up an atmosphere of questionable reality. DaSDC to me stands out as more of a pop movement with young "rebels" of society posing under their own specific lingo and their own mood. I don't think dasdc is really in connection with Dada or anything surreal as the many things I read in there are not exactly coming from a wondering mind. Religious and political debates I think would be far more disturbing to the forum in that they are taken seriously, unlike dasdc lingo. DaSdc lingo doesn't actually hurt anyone, just makes the place look like a joke, but that is pretty much it. Heated religious and political debates may be serious and may make the place look more sophisticated, but will also leave many upset upon seing ther believes bashed. That in itself in my opinion will contribute more to the demise of this forum than any lingo, however offensive it might seem.

I do not find the lingo offensive, and am sure that the moderators share my opinion. However to a wondering eye, such conversations held in such as manner will just look silly and any sort of seriousness that may and should have arised in a topic will naturally be stifled with comical and albeit sometimes confusing language. Other than that I do not think that the lingo should pose any problems to this forum.

[Mozartian]

Well, I think such highly flown language as Debussy uses "permeating the forum" can also make it appear ridiculous (it amuses me, in any case); but to each their own.

[debussy symbolism]

Well, I think such highly flown language as Debussy uses "permeating the forum" can also make it appear ridiculous (it amuses me, in any case); but to each their own.

"Permeating" is hight flown? Really, I never would have known as I generally see the expression quite often, but perhaps it may sound silly at times. Should I use "spread" instead?

[opus10no2]

I love language passionately. And because I love it I try to free it from barren traditions that stifle it.

[nicco]

Well, I think such highly flown language as Debussy uses "permeating the forum" can also make it appear ridiculous (it amuses me, in any case); but to each their own.

I agree. There is no need to act so damn intelligent with silly words that can easily be replaced with normal conversation-like words.

[gruffalo]

debussy symbolism, you are the biggest criminal in posting huge amounts of waffle in attempts to make yourself sound very eloquent, intelligent and experienced. the irony is, that (funnily enough with the exception of your post just now) you have never failed (in any post that i have read of yours) to excell in posting a load of sensless crap churned out of the very deep-end of your anus (note, do you prefer this word? is it mature enough for you? surely) that doesnt make any contribution whatsoever to my understanding or my will to understand more about the piano. you are actually one of the people who's posts i just scroll through nowadays because i know its just going to be a load of useless waffle attempting to sound like something great. stop hiding behind your shell. the only bloody word that you ever say that makes sense to that particular time of day, year, month is  "greeetings". i wouldnt have mentioned any of the above had you not posted what you did, but you deserved a mention because of it.

[rebby]

people at school talk like it all of the time it is annoying alot of the time because you don't really know what they're saying unless you talk like it as well, but there's nothing i can do about if they want to talk like that then it is up to them isn't it.

best :

Rebby xxx

[gruffalo]

the thing is, da SDC lingo is not the typical teenage talk. it's known as  "pregnant cat" lingo. we dont say "omg, i am in luv wiv u 4 ure shiny watch". The terms are a lot different. the whole point is to be different. doing the typical teenage "text message" or "short form" talk is not we are trying to do because its too common.

[pianowolfi]

the thing is, da SDC lingo is not the typical teenage talk. it's known as  "pregnant cat" lingo. we dont say "omg, i am in luv wiv u 4 ure shiny watch".

Lol roflmao yes

[Mozartian]

people at school talk like it all of the time it is annoying alot of the time because you don't really know what they're saying unless you talk like it as well, but there's nothing i can do about if they want to talk like that then it is up to them isn't it.

best :

Rebby xxx

Again, I find it amusing that someone who writes like THAT feels justified in saying that other people communicate in an annoying way.

Debussy- I was quoting you, not making fun of your particular choice of words in that case ("permeate" is very common, as you said). I just think it's good to keep in mind your audience when you're writing- after all, you're trying to communicate, not prove your dexterity with a thesaurus! And over-using long, unfamiliar words doesn't prove your intelligence- it just makes you sound pretentious and makes you less likely to be read. Clearly, not a good thing from the writer's perspective!

[thalbergmad]

I just want to thank you for letting me know, there is at least someone with a sense of humor and ability to think in here.

The unnecessary censorship of words, and the pretentiousness of people here (as i recall in other thread, someone calling people 'stupid' for not knowing what 'promiscuous 'means.)
Or just down-right offensive (thal calling SDC talking-style 'talking like retarded', which i can simply describe your use of excessive and redudant wording 'talking like obesed' (just using a simile, just as an example.)
or as in the last thread 'fuxkin idiot' 'let them jack off to a bunch of xxx video', are precisely the reason of existence of SDC,
people might talk vulgar there, but at least they are being honest and true to themselves, and most importantly, we know we have respect for each others. 

So those offense directing to SDC-lingo-user are accepted because they are typed in appropiate english? Or simply because they are support the pianostreet's admin's cause of genocide of ones who are different or simply, having a sense of humor?

I am glad there are people with a mind of rebel, otherwise we will still believe the world is a plain, studying alchemy, drilling holes into ones who we believe are suffering from psychoatic disorder (i think Thal and Lisztessence will enjoy this notion very much).

between 'hahahahahhaah u mo fo' or 'let those fuxkin idiots jack off to ingulf's video'
which one is more offensive?
I rest my case.

Judging by your fascinating thread in da SDC "i am sure i will get banned from 88 streets in 24 hours", i take it you have not met with much success.

Must be a shame for you, because you will not look so hard in front of your mates and the congratulatory back slapping will have to wait a while.

If you do get banned, you can then start another thread to tell everyone how clever you have been. To look more impressive, you can even show them a copy of your ban from nils. Then somebody else can start "lets have some fun with 88 streets part 3".

The possibilities are endless.

I used to be like this at junior school. It is rather common.

Thal

[ahinton]

the problem is, most of the people who try to speak intelligently here with big fancy words and long stringed sentences, end up just waffling all the time (the names don't need mentioning). there are people here who i consistently cannot avoid just scrolling threw the whole of their posts because i know its just full of rubbish, either in terms of vocabulary or just general rabble. so who would you rather read, someone who posts mainly sense but in a funny lingo, or someone who tries to make themselves sound like a Professor but ends up making barely any sense and no contribution whatever to your life or the subject of the piano?

Since you ask, perhaps he'd have trouble reading either and rather read neither? - but let's allow him/her to speak for him/herself on this.

That said, there can be no doubt that almost any mode of verbal expression - vocabulary use, phrase structure, sentence construction  and all the rest and more - is bound to irritate, offend or nauseate someone; it is, after all, the same with music...

Best,

Alistair

[steinwaymodeld]

Judging by your fascinating thread in da SDC "i am sure i will get banned from 88 streets in 24 hours", i take it you have not met with much success.

Must be a shame for you, because you will not look so hard in front of your mates and the congratulatory back slapping will have to wait a while.

If you do get banned, you can then start another thread to tell everyone how clever you have been. To look more impressive, you can even show them a copy of your ban from nils. Then somebody else can start "lets have some fun with 88 streets part 3".

The possibilities are endless.

I used to be like this at junior school. It is rather common.

Thal

I guess it's not as amusing that the fact that you swam your way thru all the filth and referring my post from SDC back to here to make yourself look omiscient. (If that's ur defination of being mature)

Neither did I involve in this thread to make myself look 'tough' in front of my 'mates' (Simply do it because I am a bit sick of all your pretentiousness, and unnecessary censorship and banning with no reason) and I am also amazed that you admitting doing similar trifle act to get acceptance among your teenage playmates.

So I am not like you were, neither would I grow up to be like you.

Thx god for that. 

[ahinton]

I guess it's not as amusing that the fact that you swam your way thru all the filth and referring my post from SDC back to here to make yourself look omiscient. (If that's ur defination of being mature)

Never mind SDC lingo (which at least supports some kind of link with recognisable English, however tenuous); is "defination" English of any kind?

Neither did I involve in this thread to make myself look 'tough' in front of my 'mates'

Has anyone suggested that you did? Does anyone care?

(Simply do it because I am a bit sick of all your pretentiousness, and unnecessary censorship and banning with no reason)

Whose? Thal's? (since your quote suggests that it appears to be Thal that you address). Thal does not run this forum, so neither indulges - nor, indeed, is he even able to indulge - in "censorship" or "banning" with or without any reason at all. You would be well advised to clarify your thoughts and facts in your own mind before expressing them in posts.

and I am also amazed that you admitting doing similar trifle act to get acceptance among your teenage playmates.

...and you'd be well advised to have a few more English lessons before you express yourself in that language here, too; I do not seek to impugn you if English is not your primary language, but since this thread is about a language problem and since English is the principal language of this forum, you'd do well to sharpen up your skills at it before trying to throw accusations at others.

So I am not like you were, neither would I grow up to be like you.

Thx god for that. 

It's not clear what God may have to do with this but, from the way you express yourself here, I think that we may all be thankful that you and Thal are so different to one another; indeed, the only question that may be worth asking (assuming that anyone may be bothered even to do so) is whether you are likely to "grow up" at all...

Best,

Alistair

[opus10no2]

Alistair, you are swingin seriously low.

Damn boy, they're touchin the ground.

[shortyshort]

Again, I find it amusing that someone who writes like THAT feels justified in saying that other people communicate in an annoying way.

At least it can be understood. Of course there should be a little more punctuation in there, but it can be understood without the use of a English-SDC dictionary.

And I must agree that I also scroll past posts that waffle on with loads of "intelligent" words, and which usually loose their point after the 5th or 6th paragraph.

Shorty

P.S. All I asked for at the begining of this thread, was for people to post in such a way that everybody else can understand. Otherwise what's the point in posting. You might as well post in Chinese.

[thalbergmad]

I guess it's not as amusing that the fact that you swam your way thru all the filth and referring my post from SDC back to here to make yourself look omiscient. (If that's ur defination of being mature)

Neither did I involve in this thread to make myself look 'tough' in front of my 'mates' (Simply do it because I am a bit sick of all your pretentiousness, and unnecessary censorship and banning with no reason) and I am also amazed that you admitting doing similar trifle act to get acceptance among your teenage playmates.

So I am not like you were, neither would I grow up to be like you.

Thx god for that. 

I don't normally waste my time with babies, but in this case i will.

It is clear that some members of dasdc wish to cause disruption here and on other forums. I too am capable of filth and gross stupidity, but there is a place for it and it is not here.
 
Now you have shown what a big tough boy you are, you can go back and start a new thread on dasdc. Then all the communal back slappings can start and you might even earn some Ziffros.

I apologise if this post has come during playtime or your nappy change.

Bye

Thal

[Mozartian]

At least it can be understood. Of course there should be a little more punctuation in there, but it can be understood without the use of a English-SDC dictionary.

Actually, to me it's on the same level of "incomprehensibility" (apologies for the long word) as the SDC talk. Personally I'd much rather read 'hahahahaha icicic, u i.z truly a true m0fo, re.zpec' which REALLY is very easy to determine the meaning of (either that or I'm exceptionally quick minded, which I doubt is the case) than a post in extremely bad and lazy English. The only things you need an English-SDC dictionary for are the nicknames (which admittedly I've had to ask the meaning of, and in some cases have been subjected to a less than edifying explanation for. ).

 Yes, some of the members of da SDC are absolute retards who just want to destroy every forum they come across, but they're not all like that. A lot of the members from da SDC are very knowledgable about music and piano, and I'd hate to see them leave here.

And thal, go get a life. You have no business critizing other people when you sit around on a piano forum hitting on teenage girls (*cough*paris, etc.*cough*).

[thalbergmad]

And thal, go get a life. You have no business critizing other people when you sit around on a piano forum hitting on teenage girls (*cough*paris, etc.*cough*).

She is beautiful and i told her so.

I even let her use my philishave.

cough

Thal

[gruffalo]

 Yes, some of the members of da SDC are absolute retards who just want to destroy every forum they come across, but they're not all like that. A lot of the members from da SDC are very knowledgable about music and piano, and I'd hate to see them leave here.

yes, this is true. and there are some amazing pianists on da SDC posting regular recordings. also, da SDC is a forum about giving. here, it is all about giving Ho Chi Minh money to aid his corruption.

[Mozartian]

yes, this is true. and there are some amazing pianists on da SDC posting regular recordings.

Yeah, absolutely.

[ahinton]

Alistair, you are swingin seriously low.

Damn boy, they're touchin the ground.

I seem to be quite sedentary while typing (rather than "swinging" in any manner), so, in English, your remark would translate as...(?)

Best,

Alistair

[ramseytheii]

Again, I find it amusing that someone who writes like THAT feels justified in saying that other people communicate in an annoying way.

Debussy- I was quoting you, not making fun of your particular choice of words in that case ("permeate" is very common, as you said). I just think it's good to keep in mind your audience when you're writing- after all, you're trying to communicate, not prove your dexterity with a thesaurus! And over-using long, unfamiliar words doesn't prove your intelligence- it just makes you sound pretentious and makes you less likely to be read. Clearly, not a good thing from the writer's perspective!

So in other words, a person should be obligated to dumb himself down so that their "audience" can understand them?  Who is this "audience?"  You, or me, people who can't understand the word permeate, or people who can?  Who decides for whom someone will write - the writer, or the critic?  Does an uncommon word reflect the unwillingness to communicate on the part of the writer, or the laziness to look it up on the part of the critic?  Does a writer need to prove his intelligence, or a critic his ignorance? 

It seems to me that critics are much more eager to prove their ignorance then a writer is to prove his intelligence.  And if you come across a word that is unfamiliar, and you don't care to look it up, you probably didn't care what the writer was saying in the first place - so why persecute them?  And if you claim to be in this writer's "audience," what right do you have to demand that they don't use their own vocabularies, but someone else's?

Walter Ramsey

[ramseytheii]

This whole debate seems to be about people who take themselves too seriously attacking other people for apparently taking themselves too seriously.  Let's not get too impassioned , but remember this is not the first time someone has taken the English language into their own hands:

"A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
   by Mark Twain

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. "

Walter Ramsey

[dnephi]

HAHA true genius genisu gesniu gesnui (seeing what gets edited)

[ahinton]

HAHA true genius genisu gesniu gesnui (seeing what gets edited)

How about Gnessin? (or Gniessin, or whatever spelling you might think appropriate or worth risking)...

Best,

Alistair

[ramseytheii]

HAHA true genius genisu gesniu gesnui (seeing what gets edited)

jinyas

Walter Ramsey

[Mozartian]

So in other words, a person should be obligated to dumb himself down so that their "audience" can understand them?  Who is this "audience?"  You, or me, people who can't understand the word permeate, or people who can?  Who decides for whom someone will write - the writer, or the critic?  Does an uncommon word reflect the unwillingness to communicate on the part of the writer, or the laziness to look it up on the part of the critic?  Does a writer need to prove his intelligence, or a critic his ignorance? 

In the first place, we're not talking about a writer-critic relationship, we're talking about a group of people trying to have an intelligible discussion. If you were writing a book or something you would be choosing your audience and could write using as many unnecessary obscure words as you pleased; but in my opinion a discussion format such as an online forum requires more thought as to how you can express yourself as exactly as possible to a wide range of participating individuals.

There is a clear difference between using an uncommon word here and there and using them every other word. If there is an "uncommon" word that expresses what you're trying to say better than any other, use it (there's nothing wrong with defining a word for your reader, either). If you were speaking to someone, you wouldn't use all 5 syllable words- why would you consider writing like that to be effective? Again, it's not about showing your word lore, it's about communication. As for the question: "who is the audience", that obviously depends on the situation. A lecture to fellow musicologists would doubtless warrant many technical terms, but I doubt that you'd speak that way to a group of 12 year olds. A place like this has people of all ages and all walks of life- I think it's only considerate to keep that in mind when you're posting.

After all that you might question why I don't mind the SDC talk. The reason for that is simply because they almost always restrict their lingo to "nonserious" chit-chat use- it's like the online pianists' version of hacker speak. Many of the members write very well when they're participating in a serious discussion, as eloquently demonstrated by members such as SMD.

[gruffalo]

and also one must consider that it is our duty to make the piano as interesting to as many exisiting pianist and non-pianists as possible. to do this in the most efficient way, we must start young and create a future for the piano. the lack of understanding and interest towards the piano and classical music amongst young people is quite clearly evident. someone browsing the internet and jumping to this forum and landing on one of dear alistair's posts (sorry to pick you out) is most likely not going to come back, let alone be attracted towards classical music in anyway. someone seeing da SDC lingo may thing.. hmmm thats weird, but also will see character and even if it means coming back for a laugh or to laugh at us.. well, it's an opening isn't it?

[ramseytheii]

and also one must consider that it is our duty to make the piano as interesting to as many exisiting pianist and non-pianists as possible. to do this in the most efficient way, we must start young and create a future for the piano. the lack of understanding and interest towards the piano and classical music amongst young people is quite clearly evident. someone browsing the internet and jumping to this forum and landing on one of dear alistair's posts (sorry to pick you out) is most likely not going to come back, let alone be attracted towards classical music in anyway. someone seeing da SDC lingo may thing.. hmmm thats weird, but also will see character and even if it means coming back for a laugh or to laugh at us.. well, it's an opening isn't it?

Our duty?  Speak for yourself, man!

And your jibe at A Hinton is completely pointless.  If someone was coming around here to learn more about 20th century piano music esp. from Sorabji onward, and they saw "SDC" they would never come back.  If they saw Hinton's posts they would.  Basically this is another instance of "SDC" being taken too seriously and self-righteously! 

Walter Ramsey

[gruffalo]

And your jibe at A Hinton is completely pointless.

exactly. it is pointless, just as pointless as the jibe at SDC is. i think Alistair has every right to speak how he chooses. if i wanted to really hurt him, i would have said nastier things. i apologize if my statement caused offence, this was not my intention as i think Alistair is a nice person and does contribute well to make Sorabji more popular.

Basically this is another instance of "SDC" being taken too seriously and self-righteously!

and by whom? i believe it began to get serious when this topic was created, this time and the previous times.

[shortyshort]

i believe it began to get serious when this topic was created.

I only started this topic to ask people to post in such a way that it can be easily understood. 

Why is that so difficult? Why would anybody post anything that would not be understood by the people they're trying to comunicate with? 

Shorty

[gruffalo]

Why is that so difficult?

it's difficult because you are asking somebody to stop doing something that they think brings life and character to their leisure time and this dull (generally) forum. someone who chooses to speak in japanese shouldnt have to speak in English, so why should anybody else's creativity of language be restricted to a more normal form? ok, comparing it with a foreigner is a bit of an extreme example, but do you get the gist of what i am saying? tbh, i dont particularly feel like speaking SDC lingo here and if i am in a serious mood or a serious discussion on da SDC i wont speak in the lingo either. but that does not mean i am against someone else choosing to use it elsewhere.

[shortyshort]

it's difficult because you are asking somebody to stop doing something that they think brings life and character to their leisure time and this dull (generally) forum. someone who chooses to speak in japanese shouldnt have to speak in English, so why should anybody else's creativity of language be restricted to a more normal form? ok, comparing it with a foreigner is a bit of an extreme example, but do you get the gist of what i am saying? tbh, i dont particularly feel like speaking SDC lingo here and if i am in a serious mood or a serious discussion on da SDC i wont speak in the lingo either. but that does not mean i am against someone else choosing to use it elsewhere.

Using your comparison of japanese, surely if someone wanted to post in japanese, the only people they would be wishing to comunicate with would be other japanese.

So people who post in SDC, only with to comunicate with other SDC speaking persons. In which case, why not post there instead. Especially if this forum is so dull.

Shorty

[nicco]

So people who post in SDC, only with to comunicate with other SDC speaking persons. In which case, why not post there instead. Especially if this forum is so dull.

Shorty

I dont think so, to me it seems people who post in SDC lingo only do it cause its fun, kinda laid back, and maybe they want to cause a little attention around themselves. Anyway I think people take this way too seriously. SDC talk is not at all hard to understand, its just a matter of accepting it.

[ahinton]

exactly. it is pointless, just as pointless as the jibe at SDC is. i think Alistair has every right to speak how he chooses. if i wanted to really hurt him, i would have said nastier things. i apologize if my statement caused offence, this was not my intention

There's absolutely no need to apologise, as I can assure you that you have caused no offence to me. I have to admit that I didn't quite understand what you meant by your reference to my posts, but I certainly did not find it offensive.

Best,

Alistair

[ramseytheii]

and also one must consider that it is our duty to make the piano as interesting to as many exisiting pianist and non-pianists as possible. to do this in the most efficient way, we must start young and create a future for the piano. the lack of understanding and interest towards the piano and classical music amongst young people is quite clearly evident. someone browsing the internet and jumping to this forum and landing on one of dear alistair's posts (sorry to pick you out) is most likely not going to come back, let alone be attracted towards classical music in anyway. someone seeing da SDC lingo may thing.. hmmm thats weird, but also will see character and even if it means coming back for a laugh or to laugh at us.. well, it's an opening isn't it?

The more I think about this the more confused I get.  If it's "our duty" to make the piano interesting to others (how does a typing style do that?) why would you say, "The main reason why da SDC is like this is because we dont want to attract people." 

You also don't say exactly what it is you dont like about hinton's posts, but since you complained earlier about "big fancy" words and "long... sentences" I bet that's it.  If SDC is about "smart people pretending to be stupid," then hinton is being persecuted for not pretending to be stupid. Please don't talk about Ho Chi Minh anymore.

Even this thread started out as something fun and funny, but the more you try and intellectualize your position the more trouble you get into.  For instance your outlook in this sentence, "who would you rather read, someone who posts mainly sense but in a funny lingo, or someone who tries to make themselves sound like a Professor but ends up making barely any sense and no contribution whatever to your life or the subject of the piano?" totally excludes the possibility that there might be someone who uses "big, fancy" words and still makes sense. 

In your mind, if everyone is not acting at the same level of stupidity, not my word, they must be lying.  This is actually typical of the Communist mindset that insists through violence and destruction that every person has to be pulverized into the same level, no matter how much natural talent they have, and how much work they've done to increase their knowledge. 

Oh and by the way, whenever the forum moderator deletes something he doens't like, or bans someone, it's not censorship.  This is his forum, it isn't PBS, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

(Happy Birthday A.R.  )

Walter Ramsey