when is the right time for debut solo recital?

[RealPianist]

when is actually the right time for someone to make his debut recital?
what abilities should he have? and etc2..(in order to say that he is really ready to make the recital)
ur reply will be appreciate

[chromatickler]

your debute solo recital should preferably have a program that look something like this:

CHOPIN 24 etudes

intermission

ALKAN concerto for solo piano

[pianowolfi]

When you feel that you have something to say

[dnephi]

When you feel that you have something to say

your debute solo recital should preferably h
ave a program that look something like this:

CHOPIN 24 etudes

intermission

ALKAN concerto for solo piano

Actually, zepp, it should be more like:

Chopin 24 Etudes
Intermission
Liszt 24 Etudes (The 3, the 6 paganini, the 2, and the TEs, and Ab Irato)
Intermission
Alkan 24 Etudes (Major and Minor Keys)

[rach n bach]

Dang....
 
I'm still stuck on "mary had a little lamb"   

[bflatminor24]

Yeah, they're right. You can't debut until you can perform all of the virtuosic etudes. After all, that's how all the great pianists got started....


Right?

[cygnusdei]

Can someone explain the meaning of 'debut' ? It seems that one can have a 'debut' at different venues, with different orchestras, etc. that it's pretty much a meaningless term.

[jre58591]

Actually, zepp, it should be more like:

Chopin 24 Etudes
Intermission
Liszt 24 Etudes (The 3, the 6 paganini, the 2, and the TEs, and Ab Irato)
Intermission
Alkan 24 Etudes (Major and Minor Keys)

hahha that recital would take 5-6 hours (or more) to perform.

[opus10no2]

hahha that recital would take 5-6 hours (or more) to perform.

The point is that it shouldn't.

[pianowelsh]

Debut recital is a totally abused term.

You can debut with anything you darn well choose and it needednt be the most virtuosic repertoire in the world!   If you are 5-10 you can debut with some Bach invention a Mozart or Beethoven sonata and maybe some more virtuosic romantic or 20th c piece (were not talking Chopin sonata...maybe a more difficult nocturne or group of preludes etc) That would be acceptible for those who are planning on making even a HUGE career.

If you are in your late teens you may need to demonstrate you have moved on from infant prodigy and are now able to handle the more taxing repertoire. Things like Variations serieuses, late Beethoven maybe if your developed for your years.. one might expect a major piece like a Chopin Ballade etc...and more than likely an etude or a transcription. 

Coming out of college..they expect more than just technical proficiency and you should show you have a brain so more thought prokoking choices might be to your advantage and you should show your individual specialism (maybe all Bach) a certain period of Beethoven, all Rachnmaninov etc or something like first half traditional chronological and second half a group of Ligeti etudes or something (if you specialise in 20th C).

After that age well its upto your personality to decide...sell whatever youve got in abundance - it gets harder the older you get.

The real thing with a debut recitcal is that it is YOUR coming out on to the world platform. This means you give your best showing (whatever that might be at the time). Normally the press will be invited and there may be several distinguished teachers and musicians invited. Its your time to make a big impression and hopefully get some contracts out of it or an agent Or whatever.  Its no good trying to be someone your not. If you are really a poet and your area of beauty is the Schubert impromptus and Schumann Fantsie stuck - programme those...NOT pictures at an exhibition and Alkan concerto for solo piano...it would be the nail in your coffin!!! Now thats not to say your dont always need to impress and show the range of your abilities in a debut concert. There must always be a clincher that makes the audience go wow..and something that touches there soul  and also some traditional favourites (promoters are scared of unfamiliar work its hard to sell).  BUT noone wants to hear another teenager struggle through op111 or the complete op10 etudes or something again in a profunctory and boring fashion. BE imaginative.

[sweet_pianistgirl]

when is actually the right time for someone to make his debut recital?
what abilities should he have? and etc2..(in order to say that he is really ready to make the recital)
ur reply will be appreciate

i think when you are enough technique, enough musicality,to be ripe for commenting on pieces and your program should be:
                                                         bach
                                                         scarlatti
                                                         beethoven sonate
                                                         chopin/liszt/rachmaninov etudes(other composer's etudes)
                                                         modern piece
                                                         romantic piece
                                                         and piece of your country(maybe)

when i want to give a recital(for debut too) i do like this,i think it can be helpful for you;)

Verda
                                                    

[RealPianist]

thanks for all of ur reply! especially for the great explanation from pianowelsh also sweet_pianistgirl.

sorry I've not clear by saying 'debut'..what I mean is first solo recital. clear right?

pianowelsh or any other in this forum, can you mention example of repertoares for teenagers 15-20? for a concert I mean..


thanks before

[pianogeek_cz]

Well, what I plan for my own -short- and -not very ambitious- programme (I won't be certainly getting any publicity, or at least I should hope so...  ):

Bach inventions (4 of them)
Mozart sonata K330
Chopin - a couple of preludes (including the favorites: 4, 15, possibly 24 if I manage (read: have enough spare time) )
Chopin Ballade no. 1 (the BIG FISH in the pond)
Dvorak Poetic moods (two of them)
Rach preludes 3-2 and 23-5
And a Prokofiev Vision Fugitive or two (or three, actually).
There's still the Revolutionary etude, possibly an encore.

Not necessarily in this order, I might try experimenting a bit.

My teacher, my ex-teacher and a couple of my friends who are freakin' good (one's a pro, the other one is applying for uni) agree that for 17 years, this is quite a nice, balanced and presentable programme. I've been working on this assortment for roughly six months... the Chopin and Dvorak are in for quite a lot of work and just two months to go. *sigh*

Well, anyway, that's just to give you a clue what a first recital could look like. I suppose if you have more time, you could do a P&F for the Bach, Prokofiev Sarcasms instead of Visions Fugitive and substitutions like that...

I wouldn't suggest going overboard with difficult pieces. Actually, it's a good idea (for this level of performing, mind you, I'm not even in a conservatory yet, let alone uni) to play pieces you're very comfortable with, just a few virtuosic drops here and there (preferably towards the end, since a) nice climax b) they'll make you tired as hell). You want to be safe, since you've never done an hour of performing straight before (it's the first recital), not flashy but uncertain and sloppy in places. The laics will be impressed by the difficult pieces and will probably forget the rest anyway, the pros will be impressed by an ability to keep performance level consistent -regardless of difficulty-. I feel that's a very important point, actually, for planning a recital - you should be sure that you can perform whatever happens to feature in your repertoire safely.

I hope this helps.

(On a side note, once you've mastered your every single piece of your programme (Really mastered, so that you have no problem anywhere in the pieces!), a possible way of checking whether you're really ready for the D Day is playing the programme, as it will go, five times through. With breaks fifteen minutes maximum. If you can do it five times, then one time shouldn't be a problem, eh? )

[steve_m]

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[soliloquy]

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[ahinton]

7 PM

I really do think that yours really is the best answer to this ineffably silly question that has been provided in this thread so far - and it reminds me of Vaughan Williams who, when asked what one of his middle period symphonies was "about", he answered "half an hour".

Best,

Alistair

[bflatminor24]

Why do English people (and Scohttish, those bahstards!) pronounce it "Rafe."

It's RALPH. Why do people say RAFE? It's uglier!

[ahinton]

Why do English people (and Scohttish, those bahstards!) pronounce it "Rafe."

It's RALPH. Why do people say RAFE? It's uglier!

Thank you for your most kind and elegant decrisption of me as a "bahstard" (notwithstanding its literal incorrectness!).

I personally pronounce it RALPH, as also do many English and Scottish bastards I mean people. I don't know why some people pronounce it RAFE. I don't think that it's so much "uglier" (except to the extent that it sounds abit like RAPE) as some kind of affectation (although there may be some more legitimate reason of which I am unaware).

Best,

Alistair

[bflatminor24]

Alistair, it's not 'bastard,' it's 'bahstard.' Americans say 'bastard.'

I just pictured an angry Scottish Dwarf pounding his hammer against a rock as he said, "ahh, ye bahstards!"

Random stereotypes. Mmm mm mm.