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Uncommon Works
on: February 21, 2004, 12:59:09 AM
It seems we talk a lot about the same old pieces.  What are some fairly uncommon by works by the common composers? Preferably something I could get my hands on the sheet music online free to look over!

In my repertoire the works I think aren't too common around here but are some of my favorite's are Ravel's Prelude and his A maniere de Borodine, Liszt Valse Oubilee No 1, Liszt's arr of Chopin's Maiden's Wish, Sonneto 104 del Petrarca.

I like uncommon pieces because I feel better playing them and a bit free-er with my interpretation.  Also, I learned Chopin's Revolutionary and Fantasie Impromptu while I took last semester and when I got back to school a student performed just those pieces so now I feel too nervous to play those in the practice rooms at school knowing someone in just the other room is playing the pieces ready for performance!  The comparison is inevitable and I've been stopped several times by people popping in to say "You know who performed that last semester!" which is a further destraction so I switched to learning the Ocean Etude instead.

So what lesser known works do you all play or like that you can suggest?   Maybe something minor?  Besides the composers mentioned, maybe Rachmaninoff or Debussy's less common pieces.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #1 on: February 21, 2004, 01:31:16 AM
I agree with you, although I am guilty of performing many of the common pieces myself. You could try just about anything by Scriabin -  etudes and preludes, maybe some Scarlatti sonatas (Baroque music for those who love Romanticism), perhaps some Prokofiev pieces like the fugitive visions (I'm not very familiar with these).

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #2 on: February 21, 2004, 02:28:46 AM
This is difficult, since the piano repertory is immense, which means that 99% of it is underplayed.

Maybe you should limit it a bit?

Ok a few underplayed works by well-known composers (if I go into obscure composers this post will run into hundreds of pages)

Baroque:

Scarlatti. Most of his sonatas are underplayed. There are about five or six that everyone plays and that’s about it. And yet all of them are of superb quality.

JS Bach. Although some of his works are overplayed (WTC, Italian concerto, Partitas), other stuff of equal quality is frequently overlooked. For instance the three-voice inventions are real masterpieces on the same level of the fugues in the WTC.

Handel: No one plays Handel’s Keyboard suites. They are wonderful.

Couperin: Almost never heard on the piano. Things may change now that Angela Hewitt has recorded his works to great critical acclaim.

Rameau: Like Couperin it is sitting there awaiting discovery.

Classical:

CPE Bach – Keyboard sonatas. There are some amazing sonatas. Pletnev has been playing some recently, but mostly no one plays them.

Haydn – 60 piano sonatas some outstandingly beautiful. Risking the wrath of some, I would say that I find his sonatas better than Mozart’s (they should be, Haydn had a much longer life to perfect his art).

Clementi. – Not the sonatinas of our student days, but his sonatas, some of outstanding beauty and pretty challenging too.

Romantic:
Chaminade – Rarely played yet most beautiful pieces.

Chabrier – Both his Bouree Fantastique and his Pieces pitoresques are wonderful and yet seldom played.

Field  - The inventor of the Nocturne, has also piano concertos and piano sonatas.

Grieg – Getting better known beyond the piano concerto, courtesy of Leif Oves Andness. But who plays the Holberg Suite – a most amazing piece?

Adolf Jensen – Mostly unknown yet lyrical writing of the highest calliber.

Edward Macdowell – Many hidden gems here.

Mendelssohn  - The songs without words are rarely played these days. Another wonderful piece rarely heard is his Capriccio op. 33 no. 1

Schumann has many hidden gems. Try his Album Leaves  op. 99 and Op. 124. And don’t forget Clara Schumann’s compositions – it will endear you instantly to the feminists! ;D

This should get you started. I stopped with romantics, because there is just too much modern music that is underplayed (most of it actually). And there are also the ethnic composers (like the Brazilians, Argentinians, Mexicans and so on and so forth).

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #3 on: February 21, 2004, 07:58:56 AM
I'll second Chaminade with gusto. Her reputation as a composer of charming but trivial pieces is rather unjust. Her music contains genuine romantic power, a highly individual melodic gift and a wonderful nostalgic sweep.

I'll also put in a word for Frank Bridge and John Ireland. Bridge's piano music is modern but he wrote it his way and nobody else's. He is particularly evocative of the numinous, the sinister  and the eldritch. He had a remarkable gift for a certain type of impressionism, although it is doubtful he would have called it that.

John Ireland wrote some of the most painfully nostalgic little piano pieces of the twentieth century - "Chelsea Reach", "In a May Morning", "Song of the Spring Tides". Less modern in harmony than Bridge he nonetheless found his own voice at the piano and developed it to moving effect.

There is also a contemporary American composer who I am certain will be regarded as great in his own field one day - David Thomas Roberts. He writes in fairly traditional genres but the emotional power of his music and his supreme and consistent gift for lyricism mark him as special.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #4 on: February 21, 2004, 01:58:42 PM
Schumann - Bunte Blatter Op. 99, Etudes Symphoniques, Piano Sonatas, Toccata.


Handel - Harpsichord/Keyboard Suites
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #5 on: February 21, 2004, 07:01:31 PM
ALKAN ALKAN ALKAN !!!!!!!!!!!!
alkan is the most underrated underplayed composer ever

he is my favourite composer, it should be a crime if you havent heard of him!
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Reply #6 on: February 21, 2004, 07:27:37 PM
I am not sure how underrated or underplayed Alkan is anymore. It seems that there has been a proliferation of recordings of his works recently. He has certainly become an overtalked composer! ;)

Also the difficulty of his pieces probably scares many people away.

So what about his 48 Esquisses?  Many of them are reasonably easy to play and there are some very beautiful ones. They are certainly worth investigating, by those of us who feel not quite on equal terms with Hamelin ;D

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #7 on: February 22, 2004, 04:10:53 AM
John Field is one of the best underplayed composers.  His nocturnes are brilliant, and rival Chopin's.  His sonatas are also very good.  I especially like his fifth concerto.  It portrays a thunderstorm in the first movement and the last movement is so beautiful and calm.
I also feel that Scarlatti is underplayed.  His sonatas are original, and most are very good.  It just seems like the same ones are played over and over again.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #8 on: February 22, 2004, 04:16:26 AM
bernhard, yes your right about alkan being taled about alot among some pianophile people, BUT i feel that alkan should have the same level of popularity as liszt or chopin. in my opinion he is just as great a composer....................
you handg around with piano experts, but ask an average music fan who alkan is and youll see what i mean, alkan should be as big as chopin!

and yeah your right about the esquisses, i like every single one, and LOVE many.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #9 on: February 22, 2004, 05:53:03 AM
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Schumann has many hidden gems. Try his Album Leaves  op. 99 and Op. 124.

didn't Grieg write Album Leaves (also?)?
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #10 on: February 22, 2004, 06:29:21 AM
Anyone know where I can find Schumanns Op.99?

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #11 on: February 22, 2004, 10:22:11 AM
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Reply #12 on: February 22, 2004, 12:27:58 PM

Fantastic!  Thank you.

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #13 on: February 22, 2004, 04:37:24 PM
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bernhard, yes your right about alkan being taled about alot among some pianophile people, BUT i feel that alkan should have the same level of popularity as liszt or chopin. in my opinion he is just as great a composer....................
you handg around with piano experts, but ask an average music fan who alkan is and youll see what i mean, alkan should be as big as chopin!

and yeah your right about the esquisses, i like every single one, and LOVE many.


You may be interested in this book: The Death of David Debrizzi, by Paul Micou. This is a novel (an therefore fiction) about a child prodigy who is taught by another (now adult) failed child prodigy. Most of the plot revolves about them trying to come to grips with this incredibly difficult French composer – Channat - that is known only to a few cognoscenti and that no one dares to play because he is to difficult. Needless to say, the fictional Channat is a barely disguised Alkan. The book is quite fun because most of the fictional pianists in the book can be traced back quite easily to the real life pianists that inspired the characters.


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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #14 on: February 22, 2004, 04:38:43 PM
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didn't Grieg write Album Leaves (also?)?


Yes. Seven altogether:

A set of four “Album leaves” Op. 28.

Two of his Lyric pieces are titled “Album leaves”:

Op. 12 no. 7
Op. 47 no. 2

And also an Album Leaf  without opus number.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #15 on: February 22, 2004, 07:01:07 PM
So is an 'Album Leaf' a general musical term for a type of piece (like a Ballade or Prelude)?  Why would they have chosen the same name?
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #16 on: February 22, 2004, 07:08:19 PM
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So is an 'Album Leaf' a general musical term for a type of piece (like a Ballade or Prelude)?  Why would they have chosen the same name?


In Schumann’s time it was fashionable for society ladies to keep “autograph albums”. These were notebooks where artists of their acquaintance could contribute souvenirs of their art. So, an autograph album could have a small poem from a famous (or aspiring to be famous) writer in one of its pages. In another page a painter may jot a little sketch. And musicians frequently wrote in them small piano pieces, composed especially for the lady in question. A piece of piano music composed for an autograph album was commonly called an “Album leaf”.  These were usually brief and of no great musical importance. Schumann’s album leaves are however of great musical quality and some of them are very beautiful. Schumann composed two collections of Album leaves: Op. 99 (comprising 14 pieces and titled Bunte Blatter – “Gay coloured leaves”) and Op. 124 (comprising 20 pieces and titled Album blatter – “Album leaves”).

Almost all romantic composers wrote "Album leafs" for friends and acquaintances (even Chopin wrote one!)
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #17 on: February 22, 2004, 07:18:51 PM
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(even Chopin wrote one!)

Kramer: "you just blew my mind."
Did this piece go by another name-  Why have I not heard of this?  Because it had 'little musical importance' perhaps Chopin requested that it be burned?
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #18 on: February 22, 2004, 08:47:18 PM
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Kramer: "you just blew my mind."
Did this piece go by another name-  Why have I not heard of this?  Because it had 'little musical importance' perhaps Chopin requested that it be burned?



Chopin’s Album Leaf

Composed in 1843 for Countess Anna Cheriemetieff autograph album – her younger sister Elizavieta was Chopin’s pupil.

It is one of Chopin’s easier pieces (around grade 4 for those of you who like grades – however it is not suitable for small hands),  being only 20 bars long and in E major. It was published posthumously (no opus number) in 1910.

You can find it in the Paderevski edition on the volume of miscellaneous pieces, or on the ABRSM edition (Chopin: An introductory album  - no. 39 of the Easier Piano Pieces collection). Ashkenazy has recorded it for Decca in his boxed set of the Chopin’s complete piano solo music.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #19 on: April 03, 2004, 01:43:27 AM
Um . . . just wondering why there was no mention of CARL TAUSIG's "Ungarische Zingeunerwiesen" (Hungarian Gypsy Dance). It is such a spectacular piece yet so rarely heard, if ever. Josef Lhevinne had me almost spellbound on his piano roll vinyl LP !
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #20 on: April 03, 2004, 05:14:55 AM
yeah nice piece, i love stephen hough's recording - he rocks.
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Reply #21 on: April 03, 2004, 08:01:54 AM
Hi comme_le_vent,

Yes I've vaguely heard of Stephen Hough.
Could you please tell me which CD (or LP?) label and what reference code?
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #22 on: April 03, 2004, 10:42:26 AM
Hey Bernhard, could you PLEASE list the modern composers that are underplayed and should be played. I am interested in modern classical music but i dont know what to look for. I know Shostakovich and Bartok are underplayed but who else?

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #23 on: April 03, 2004, 04:28:22 PM
There are lot of great works listed above. Thanks everyone.  Not easy to find many of them though! As a tangent, how about uncommon works by common composers?
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #24 on: April 03, 2004, 05:33:02 PM
the stephen hough recoring is from 'the piano album' - a 2 cd set of rare piano works, its on virgin classics, and it rocks.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #25 on: April 03, 2004, 07:26:51 PM
Hi comme_le_vent,
Thanks!
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Reply #26 on: April 03, 2004, 10:28:48 PM
your welcome,
actually the whole 2 cds are full uncommon piano works.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #27 on: April 03, 2004, 10:35:04 PM
the very best thing to do - to discover new works, are to get this special kind of piano album -
examples are -
marc-andre hamelin - kaleidoskope
marc-andre hamelin - composer-pianists
stephen hough - the piano album
stephen hough - the 'new' piano album
stephen hough - the english piano album

these are all amazing albums full of awesome piano playing and great neglected works. and i love them to death.

does anyone know any other similar albums available?
i love this type of albums.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #28 on: April 04, 2004, 01:10:44 AM
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Hey Bernhard, could you PLEASE list the modern composers that are underplayed and should be played. I am interested in modern classical music but i dont know what to look for. I know Shostakovich and Bartok are underplayed but who else?


The list is far too large :P. Can you give some limits like degree of difficulty, general style (minimalist, dissonant, serial, atonal, etc.), even nationality?
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Reply #29 on: April 04, 2004, 01:13:12 AM
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the stephen hough recoring is from 'the piano album' - a 2 cd set of rare piano works, its on virgin classics, and it rocks.


Stephen Hough is one of may favourite pianists, and sadly underrated. I find amazing that he didn't make it to the "Great pianists of the 20th century" series.
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Reply #30 on: April 04, 2004, 01:24:48 AM
For an uncommon work have a look at Walter Piston's
PASSACAGLIA. :)

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Reply #31 on: April 04, 2004, 01:26:56 AM
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the very best thing to do - to discover new works, are to get this special kind of piano album -
examples are -
marc-andre hamelin - kaleidoskope
marc-andre hamelin - composer-pianists
stephen hough - the piano album
stephen hough - the 'new' piano album
stephen hough - the english piano album

these are all amazing albums full of awesome piano playing and great neglected works. and i love them to death.

does anyone know any other similar albums available?
i love this type of albums.


There is a recording company called "Marco Polo" which especialises in neglected unknow repertory. They are a subsidiary of Naxos – therefore cheap, and featuring mostly unknown pianists, but their selection of strange, outlandish works is awesome. Has to heard to be believed.

Check it out here:

https://www.naxos.com/naxos/naxos_marco_polo.htm

(click on Labels/series)

they even have a CD with Leschetizky piano works!
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #32 on: April 05, 2004, 03:21:44 AM
Hey Bernhard...I'm looking for DIFFICULT and COMPLEX lol but must also be GOOD! also any modern composers that are very showy or poetic (romantic example would be liszt (showy) and chopin (poetic)

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Reply #33 on: April 05, 2004, 10:18:21 PM
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Hey Bernhard...I'm looking for DIFFICULT and COMPLEX lol but must also be GOOD! also any modern composers that are very showy or poetic (romantic example would be liszt (showy) and chopin (poetic)


Ok, here are just a few apart from the obvious ones (Prokofiev, Shostakovitch, Bartok, Stravinsky, Katchaturian, Ornstein, Sorabjii etc.)

1. Samuel Barber.

Barber wrote just a few piano pieces, but they are all high quality, tonal and yet with a modern harmony. Some of it is very romantic and poetic. My favourites are:

Excursions op. 20  - I particularly like no. 3 (allegretto)

Sonata op. 26  - extremely complex – advanced work requiring the utmost pianism. This sonata was written for Horowitz. Originally it had only the first three movements, but Horowitz insisted that Barber write a flashy finale for it, hence the - very difficult - fugue.

Souvenirs op. 28 – I particularly like no. 3 (Pas de Deux)

Nocturne op. 33 - I love this Nocturne. Chromatic and highly atmospheric – if you want poetic and romantic and yet modern look no further

See this thread for more Barber music:

https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=repo;action=display;num=1077534930

2. Alberto Ginastera

Twelve American preludes. Tonal music but with lots of chromaticism and strong rhythms. These are all short pieces, good as encores.

3. William Schumann

Three piano Moods. No. 2 (Pensive) is my favourite.

4. Arnold Schoenberg

Six Little Piano Pieces, Op. 19. Completely atonal music, and yet highly atmospheric and impressionistic, nos. 2, 3 and 6 are more reflective.

5. Darius Milhaud. There is just too much of Milhaud music that is worthwhile. His trade mark is “wrong note” writing. I like his “Saudades do Brasil”.

6. Alexander Tcherepnin:

Expressions, Op. 81
Bagatelles , Op. 5

7. George Gershwin
Three preludes: an American classic.

8. Charles Griffes. Griffes is reminiscent of Scriabin, Ravel and Debussy (go figure!)

Three tone pictures, Op. 5 – Impressionistic, tonal music.
Roman Sketches, Op. 7

9. Francis Poulenc – As with Milhaud there is just too much good stuff from Poulenc. Try his Nocturnes, if you are after complex poetic music.

10. Alban Berg:

Sonata op. 1 – A one movement sonata that although supposedly in B minor is actually a chromatic work. Once you get used to it, it is very beautiful and lyrical.

11. Arnold Bax:

Nocturne (May night in the Ukraine) – romantic and poetic writing.

12. Olivier Messiaen:

Vingt regards sur L’enfant Jesus. You cannot get much more complex (or modern) than this.

13. Zbigniew Preisner – “Ten easy pieces for piano” – they are not that easy… but not that difficult either. Poetic and romantic.

14. Karol Szimanowski - If you are after virtuoso, complex music, look no further. Romantic and impressionistic at the same time.

Preludes op. 1 - Some highly lyric, some dramatic.
Metopes op. 24 - three very difficult tone poems.

15. Henrique Oswald - Although Brazilian by birth, Oswald spent most of his life in Europe, so his music is completely European, with much French influence. All of his work is highly poetic and romantic. I like:

Feuilles d'Album Op. 20
Il neige
Berceuse Op. 14 no. 1
Several of the Nocturnes (op. 6)

16. Francisco Mignone - A Brazilian composer of Italian descent. Lush, romantic music with South American rhythm and flavour. I particularly like his "Valsas de Esquina" (Corner Waltzes) which are slightly reminiscent of Chopin's Waltzes.

Have a look in this thread for more suggestions:

https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=repo;action=display;num=1077625353

These should keep you busy for a while.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #34 on: April 05, 2004, 10:43:56 PM
Hey . . . HEITOR VILLA-LOBOS' Prole do bebe, dedicated to Artur Rubinstein! It was such a pity Rubinstein himself never recorded them all except a selected few. :'(
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Reply #35 on: April 06, 2004, 12:19:20 AM
sorabji and ornstein arent obvious so why did you exclude them from your list?

and bernhard do you know of any good pianists similar to marc-andre hamelin? not in the playing style but in the unusual repertoire choices?

hamelin to me is a god - greatest technique i have ever heard, and noone can argue against the fact that he presents the music with more clarity than anyone, but his trump card is his repertoire choices - so many unknown and unusual work, but they are all great.
he is a very very brave pianist. and a very revolutionary pianist.
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Reply #36 on: April 06, 2004, 01:48:04 AM
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sorabji and ornstein arent obvious so why did you exclude them from your list?

and bernhard do you know of any good pianists similar to marc-andre hamelin? not in the playing style but in the unusual repertoire choices?



They are obvious in this forum, in the sense that they have been mentioned numberless times. This is not to say that they are inferior in any way, but simply I did not want to give redundant information.

Some pianists that tend to play unusual repertory (hopefully people will add more):

Stephen Hough
Pierre Laurent Aimard
Joanna Macgregor
Stephen Osborne
John Browning
Earl Wilde
Alicia de la Rocha
Zoltan Kocsis
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #37 on: April 30, 2004, 02:32:22 PM
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Hey . . . HEITOR VILLA-LOBOS' Prole do bebe, dedicated to Artur Rubinstein! It was such a pity Rubinstein himself never recorded them all except a selected few. :'(


Please, tell me more about this piece. The name means "The children of the baby", so is there a curious story behind it?

Also, about underplayed, you could try Carlos Seixas, Domingos Bontempo and Marcos Portugal. They're all Baroque, I think, and all Portuguese, but at least Carlos Seixas is well credited and not at all much played.

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #38 on: April 30, 2004, 03:13:57 PM
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Please, tell me more about this piece. The name means "The children of the baby", so is there a curious story behind it?

Also, about underplayed, you could try Carlos Seixas, Domingos Bontempo and Marcos Portugal. They're all Baroque, I think, and all Portuguese, but at least Carlos Seixas is well credited and not at all much played.

Alex


A “Prole do bebę” (The baby’s family) is a suite of 8 pieces composed in 1918. The title refers to a number of dolls (the baby’s “sons and daughters” so to speak). Each piece describes a different doll. They are:

1.      The porcelain doll (Branquinha – a boneca de louça)
2.      The dough doll (Moreninha – a boneca de massa)
3.      The clay doll (Caboclinha – a boneca de barro)
4.      The rubber doll (Mulatinha – a boneca de borracha)
5.      The wooden doll (Negrinha – a boneca de pau)
6.      The rag doll (Pobrezinha – a boneca de trapo)
7.      Punch (Polichinelo)
8.      The cloth doll (Bruxa – a boneca de pano)

Villa Lobos also composed a second set (“Prole do bebę 2”) this time about animals, and a third one (about children games) which was never published, and the manuscript is now lost.

This suite was his only work dedicated to his wife Lucília (who was a pianist) – from whom he separated with much acrimony in his later years (she never granted him a divorce – so he could never marry the true love of his life). It has been suggested that Villa Lobos got the inspiration for writing it from listening to his wife play Schumann’s Kindeszenen.

There is another thread in the forum (I could not find it though) where Ayahav gives some background to this piece(s). Maybe he will add something here.

Best wishes,
Bernhard
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #39 on: April 30, 2004, 05:56:51 PM
And of course, there is Karol Szymanowski, notably the Mazurkas Op.50 and some Etudes.
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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #40 on: April 30, 2004, 09:26:28 PM
Certain works of Chopin such as the early Rondos, The Bolero and the two sets of variations are definitely underplayed. If you've got the fingers for it, the Allegro de Concert is also worth a look.
A couple of weeks ago I gave a recital in which I included works by Handel, Clementi, Field and Frank Bridge (all of whom have been mentioned in this thread) and was very pleased by the audience response. It's worth including a few rarities in programmes alongside repertoire works. I find the programmes presented by so many pianists these days boringly predictable.
There is much charming piano music by Scandinavian composers which is seldom heard; Palmgren, Sibelius and Sinding (who wrote a good deal more than just "Rustle of Spring") for example. Also the piano music of the Russian Sergei Bortkiewicz is beautifully written in a style somewhere between Chopin and Rachmaninov (he died in 1952!) and well-worth investigating.

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Reply #41 on: May 01, 2004, 06:12:23 AM
Lyapunov- Transcendental Etude No. 11, Lesginka. It sounds a lot like Balakirev's Islamey, and the sheet music even looks a lot like it as well. It's has a great melody to it though.
Rubinstein- Toreader et Andalouse. I don't think has ever been recorded. EVER! It's an extremely extremely rare piece, good luck finding it. It has a beautiful Spanish melody.
Lasson-Crescendo. Great for an encore. Also never been recorded to the best of my knowledge. I created the only midi that can be found at www.classicalarchives.com
Ravel-La Parade. Not very characteristic of Ravel, but it's a really great piece. You can also try Serenade Grotesque.
Beethoven-Fur Elise. I don't think anyone in this whole piano forum even knows that Beethoven ever composed this piece. ;)
Debussy-Danse(Tarantelle Styrienne), Mazurka. Great pieces, the former being lively and very jumpy, the second being more grave in the beginning, but it's a very nice piece.

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #42 on: May 01, 2004, 10:17:49 AM
one piece i once played was Grutzmacher's Albumblatt. He normally composes for cello, but this piece is really beautiful. it's not that hard, but very relaxing andnice to play.
Also i love Stephen Heller's Study's. They're really nice too
Oh and Beethoven's Fanatsie op.57 is great too
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Reply #43 on: May 01, 2004, 08:36:32 PM
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. . . Oh and Beethoven's Fanatsie op.57 is great too

Um . . . 'Fanatsie'?
I didn't know that the Appassionata Sonata, Op.57, had this cute nickname . . . heehee!;D
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Reply #44 on: May 01, 2004, 09:49:22 PM
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Um . . . 'Fanatsie'?
I didn't know that the Appassionata Sonata, Op.57, had this cute nickname . . . heehee!;D

She's from Austrailia, MATE--give her a break ;D

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Re: Uncommon Works
Reply #45 on: July 30, 2004, 07:25:33 PM
Some more uncommon works:

Beethoven - Polonaise op. 89 in C
   Very heroic, catchy piece rarely played or recorded,
   yet not lacking in Beethovian quality.

Scriabin - Fantaisie op. 28
   Very effective piece, a piece that Scriabin supposedly  forgot he wrote later in his life.

Scriabin - Valse op. 38
   Somewhat reminds me of Ravel - a very unusual waltz with beautiful harmonies.

Ravel - Valses et nobles sentimentles
    Not too underplayed, nor overplayed, but still worth checking out.

Aaron Copland - Passacaglia
    A very dark, scary work.  One of Copland's first compositions he wrote while studying with Nadia Boulanger.

Aaron Copland - Piano Variations
   Actually this is a pretty famous work by Copland, yet still it seems to never get played.  This is certainly a modern, atonal work, but the rhythms and atmoshpere of the work give it a characteristic sound.

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Reply #46 on: July 30, 2004, 08:51:13 PM
Chopin has an array of neglected pieces, he wrote a set of 17 Polish songs, several Rondos, a fugue and a canon, which are rarely heard of.

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Reply #47 on: July 30, 2004, 09:59:55 PM
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Chopin has an array of neglected pieces, he wrote a set of 17 Polish songs, several Rondos, a fugue and a canon, which are rarely heard of.


Liszt transcribed the Polish Songs.  His variations on Chopin's Maiden's Wish was my first performance piece. :)
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Reply #48 on: December 08, 2004, 10:56:24 AM
Speaking of uncommon works, i think you should all check out this wonderful website.  Many of the pieces and compsers you have mentioned are or have been available from this site.  For example, they once had an entire chaminade section.  The organisers welcome any new addition but have no patience for people who are intent on getting recent music, by composers who are still alive, for free.

https://au.msnusers.com/Cziffrania

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Reply #49 on: December 08, 2004, 11:42:50 AM
I know I am biased and have raised this before BUT....

BENJAMIN BRITTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His piano works are fantastic
-  Holiday Diary
- Night Piece (Nottturno)
- 3 Character Pieces
- Twelve Variations
- Sonatina Romantica (Moderato and Nocturne)

These are all fantastic pieces.  I am especially fond of the Night Piece it is a real gem.  For all the Stephen Hough lovers, he has recorded all of Britten's works on EMI, it is an excellent CD.  I second the suggestion that Stephen Hough should be considered one of the great pianists of the 20th century. 

Other composers

Jaoquin Turina
His Circus set of pieces are very good

Dohonanyi
- 4 Rhapsodies, these are of a relatively advanced level
- op 21 3 pieces Aria, Valse Impromptu and Capricetto (all fun to play)

No one seems to talk or play much of Dohnanyi except with regards to finger exercises but his pieces are excellent.

Samuel Taylor-Coleridge (I think these are published by Novello)
- Scenes from an Imaginery Ballet
- African Suite
- 3 Silhouettes
- Forest Scenes

Charles Camillieri
- 2 Cantilenas
- 10 Sonatinas
- African Dreams Suite

The list just goes on for neglected 20th century composers.......In Australia we have the Australian Music Centre who specialise in the publication of works by Australian composers, so it is really easy to get works from neglected composers and the works are generallty unknown.  Maybe you have something similar in your country???

This is the AMC's website if you would like to take a look: https://www.amcoz.com.au/

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