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[pianistimo]

what do you think when people start a thread to inflame others and then call them the ones that are inflaming?  i say hypocritical.

i have not asked anyone personal questions and do not intend to.  why are people so interested in asking a bible question and then trashing the answer.

people ask for scripture and verse - and i give it to them.  does this mean i am a perfect being or god?  hardly.  i'm just repeating God's words.  i am not perfect and do not consider myself any better than anyone else.

[gonzalo]

i'm just repeating God's words.

God never said anything. Humans invented scripture and verse.

[soliloquy]

She refers to this, where I made a joke involving religion and she then went on a huge tirade bashing homosexuals and calling them evil.


Check it out you'll all find it hilarious

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,23748.50.html



Then, check this thread out:

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,23772.0.html

[pianistimo]

i didn't call homosexuals evil - i called homosexuality a sin.

[thalbergmad]

You are your own worst enemy pianistimo.

Take the Princess Diana thread. It was sensible until you joined and started rattling on about God.

The thread did not require that nonsense and i am sure Zheer did not start it to try and get you to start ranting on about God. You do it regularly anyway without prompting.

Thal

[pianistimo]

how about the 'we found jesus body' thread?  is that not inflammatory comparatively speaking?  btw, i happen to like zheer and think he is open minded.  but, the people that answer and cannot tolerate different answers than their own are the ones that are bigoted against christians.

i happen to think zheer IS tolerant and just wondering about things that people say in the news.  i didn't complain and say - zheer, you are evil.  i didn't even think it or imagine it.  in fact, i would sit down to dinner with zheer and not have a complaint in the world.

thal, you on the other hand - i would be holding my purse in front of me - just in case.

[thalbergmad]

thal, you on the other hand - i would be holding my purse in front of me - just in case.

Would you care to explain that, in English and less than 50,000 words, without bringing in the Bible.

Thanks

Thal

[thalbergmad]

how about the 'we found jesus body' thread? 

Do not change the subject.

How about the Diana thread.

You infested it with God nonsense.

Thal

PS Please explain your paragraph as requested.

[soliloquy]

how about the 'we found jesus body' thread?  is that not inflammatory comparatively speaking?  btw, i happen to like zheer and think he is open minded.  but, the people that answer and cannot tolerate different answers than their own are the ones that are bigoted against christians.

i happen to think zheer IS tolerant and just wondering about things that people say in the news.  i didn't complain and say - zheer, you are evil.  i didn't even think it or imagine it.  in fact, i would sit down to dinner with zheer and not have a complaint in the world.

thal, you on the other hand - i would be holding my purse in front of me - just in case.

The more trouble you cause, the more likely it is you will be banned   So please, continue.  I am not bigoted towards christians as a group.  Also, the word "bigoted" would not be the correct termology for how I feel towards hyperfundamentalist, anti-gay, anti-jew christians such as yourself.  The correct word would be "sympathy".  Also, YOU are the one who is, as you say, "can not tolerate different answers".  I supply you with huge amounts of evidence that you are wrong, and that even in the christian sect you are an extreme minority in your blatant bigotry, yet you continue to try to strawman me for defending myself from personal attacks on my sexuality.  Did you ever think that you telling me I'm going to hell because I don't dig chicks is hurtful and offensive?  No, of course not.  You're on a crusade.

[pianistimo]

dear soliloquy,

no. i am not on a 'crusade' - i am merely answering a point blank question that was asked.  i have not asked about anyone else's sexuality and do not intend to.  your sexuality is your private business and none of mine.  my personal views are just that.  the bible, on the otherhand - is the inspired word of God.  if i care enough about you to tell you what it says when i give an answer - it means that i love you and would like for you to be blessed to see the kingdom of God just as much as myself. 

i have never demeaned or embarassed or put anyone to shame who was homosexual.  i don't even know if they are until asked- and i don't recall asking.

i am sure we will all have a certain amount of shame to our lives - but Jesus Christ takes it and throws it as far as east is from west.  but, He can't do that until we admit that we sin. 

[ahinton]

dear soliloquy,

no. i am not on a 'crusade' - i am merely answering a point blank question that was asked.  i have not asked about anyone else's sexuality and do not intend to.  your sexuality is your private business and none of mine.  my personal views are just that.

I am not "soliloquy", of course, and I hope that he doesnl;t mind my answering you, albeit not on his behalf as such (since I'm quite sure he is eminently cpable of answering for himself if, as and when he may feel like doing so), but with this much I do agree and empathise.

the bible, on the otherhand

Susan, I don't know how many hands you have (although I presume you to have the usual two), but every time anyone says anything you seem to have that Bible in one or other of your multiplicity of hands (go practise Godowsky, please!).

is the inspired word of God.  if i care enough about you to tell you what it says when i give an answer - it means that i love you and would like for you to be blessed to see the kingdom of God just as much as myself.

I'm quite sure that this is very nice of you, but has it ever occurred to you that certain people just don't want to suffer constant head injuries as a direct consequence of someone throwing Bibles at them?

i have never demeaned or embarassed or put anyone to shame who was homosexual.  i don't even know if they are until asked- and i don't recall asking.

Please revisit certain of your posts inwhich you wrote unequivocally of homosexuality as being sinful and evil - and then edit them to the point that what you say above becomes true. Please.

i am sure we will all have a certain amount of shame to our lives - but Jesus Christ takes it and throws it as far as east is from west.

How far's that on your flat earth, then?

but, He can't do that until we admit that we sin. 

"Sin"? What's that? It wouldn't by chance be something about which (in my case) you resolutely refuse to answer questions, would it?! - and yet you have as your sign-off the phrase "if you don't want to know the answer- don't ask the question"! Clearly, if you DO want to know the answer, don't ask Susan...

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

dear alistair,

between you, me, soliloquy and a host of other people - i think we agree that we each know each others positions.  i respect your rights to think and do as you please.  sometimes christians feel that their right to speak out is hindered by people who are unable to see the heart behind what is said.  truly, i don't wish any evil on anyone and would be terribly sad if anything happened to any one of you.  that is why i really do hope to see you all in the kingdom of God.  that's all i have to say.

ps  one more thing (shut up thal) - i don't think i'm better than anybody.  i am actually beginning to like the word thal uses - 'sister' because it makes much better sense than 'pianistimosexual.'  alistair, how could you come up with such a word?  i am afraid for what happens when you think too much.  and, about the 'emotion' that you say pours out from my soul when i hear the word 'sin' - it's sort of a thing that becomes more understandable as you get older.  you just realize that Jesus paid a mighty big price for our sins - so we don't want to make the load heavier.  and, to relieve your mind - i think if you composed a few pieces for God - He'd forgive you on the ones that left Him completely out in the cold.  but, must this new composition be for bassoon, banjo, and piano?  it just doesn't have a 'ring' to it.  oh, i forgot.  the tamborine.

btw, i understand people's choices are their own personal and private choices for happiness and freedom.  perhaps the bible is a sort of conflicting thing because it is a theocracy and not a democracy.  it's hard to understand on that basis for some people  - as the bible is quite autocratic.  in any case, it's faith against reason (although i personally don't think God is unreasonable - especially in mercy) - and for now, i will be silent.  as far as humanly possible.  for a few  minutes.  a few minutes of silence.  then, back to piano.

[ahinton]

dear alistair,

between you, me, soliloquy and a host of other people - i think we agree that we each know each others positions.  i respect your rights to think and do as you please.  sometimes christians feel that their right to speak out is hindered by people who are unable to see the heart behind what is said.  truly, i don't wish any evil on anyone and would be terribly sad if anything happened to any one of you.  that is why i really do hope to see you all in the kingdom of God.  that's all i have to say.

Dear Sister Susan (couldn't resist that just the once!),

Thank you for writing this; I'm sure that it will be appreciated by quite a few people here. I never thought that you really wished any ill on anyone here or anyone else but, as you seem to realise now, you did make it look abit like that on occasion. Perhaps we'll all meet up in person at a Pianoforum conference somewhere - and maybe "the kingdom of God" will be found right there - Dieu parmi nous, as in...

ps  one more thing (shut up thal) - i don't think i'm better than anybody.  i am actually beginning to like the word thal uses - 'sister' because it makes much better sense than 'pianistimosexual.'  alistair, how could you come up with such a word?  i am afraid for what happens when you think too much.

Just put it down to my twisted composer's mind; it was only meant to be a joke, anyway.

and, about the 'emotion' that you say pours out from my soul when i hear the word 'sin' - it's sort of a thing that becomes more understandable as you get older.  you just realize that Jesus paid a mighty big price for our sins - so we don't want to make the load heavier.  and, to relieve your mind - i think if you composed a few pieces for God - He'd forgive you on the ones that left Him completely out in the cold.  but, must this new composition be for bassoon, banjo, and piano?  it just doesn't have a 'ring' to it.  oh, i forgot.  the tamborine.

Nice to see your sense of humour back at work! Yes, I forgot all about the tambourine - how could I have been so careless?! That said, to be serious again for a moment, the pice in which I set (among quite a few other texts) those two piees by atheists is a large-scale work not at all intended to be about, or even comment upon, atheism (just in case you may be wondering at my motive there) and some people have described it as a spiritual journey (though it's not for me to say anything about that beyond the fact that it somehow felt like one when I was writing it) - I would not say anything so presumptuous as that it was "written for God" like Bruckner's Ninth Symphony, but you'll just have to make your own mind up about it if you can ever be bothered...

btw, i understand people's choices are their own personal and private choices for happiness and freedom.  perhaps the bible is a sort of conflicting thing because it is a theocracy and not a democracy.  it's hard to understand on that basis for some people  - as the bible is quite autocratic.  in any case, it's faith against reason (although i personally don't think God is unreasonable - especially in mercy) - and for now, i will be silent.  as far as humanly possible.  for a few  minutes.  a few minutes of silence.  then, back to piano.

Nicely put. Yes - don't ever neglect the practice!

Best,

Alistair