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Offline rach n bach

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Daylight Savings?
on: March 12, 2007, 09:26:37 PM
I'm in the US, and I had to set my clocks forward an hour Sunday morning... and I now see that all of the piano street times are as they were.  Was the early change only for the US?   ???

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 03:50:06 AM
No, if something happens in the US it happens all over the world, didn't you know that? I mean, the US is like, the world.

I am sorry, but DUH  ::)

What do they teach you at school in the US? Creationism, parochialism and xenophobia, apparently. Now that's what I call education.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 06:10:43 AM
Just checking...  sheesh...   ::)

I mean, I live in a country whose congress thinks they can tell us what time of day it is...
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 10:15:36 AM

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 12:14:15 PM
The expression "daylight saving" - with its implied possibility that one can obtain more hours of daylight than would be possible without it - has to be one of the daftest notions ever perpetrated by man. It is also a most unnecessarily expensive one - just think how much it costs, across all the world's nations that change their clocks twice yearly, merely to effect and operate those changes? And what possible benefit can there be from what is effectively nothing more significant than calling midday 11 a.m. or 1 p.m. at certain times of year?

I suspect that it will probably not be until those countries that perpetuate this bizarre procedure turn over to largely 24/7 operation that its true redundancy will come to be fully appreciated and the twice-yearly clock changes abandoned for good; it can't come soon enough.

It's surely quite confusing enough already that such countries as Portugal (which is south west of UK), Spain (which is mostly to the south west of UK) and France (much of which is due south of UK) are one hour ahead of UK.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #5 on: March 13, 2007, 05:29:21 PM
The whole idea is certainly bizarre...

So to clarify my question... whose clock is Piano Street using?
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 08:08:13 PM
Just checking...  sheesh...   ::)

I mean, I live in a country whose congress thinks they can tell us what time of day it is...

Sorry R&B, that was rude. I apologise  :)

I also live in a country that tinkers with the time, and here the time is different from state to state. So for example, Perth is sometimes 3 hours behind Sydney and sometimes 4.

And Alistair, I take issue with your comment that it's a daft idea. It is not a daft idea.

I love daylight saving. You get more out of your day. The only downside is getting up one hour earlier when you put the clock back. And it can create havoc with radio interviews.
But I will grant that it is expensive and inconvenient to many.
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 08:25:11 PM
Sorry R&B, that was rude. I apologise  :)

No problem, you're forgiven.   :-*
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 10:33:27 PM
Sorry R&B, that was rude. I apologise  :)

I also live in a country that tinkers with the time, and here the time is different from state to state. So for example, Perth is sometimes 3 hours behind Sydney and sometimes 4.

And Alistair, I take issue with your comment that it's a daft idea. It is not a daft idea.

I love daylight saving. You get more out of your day.
Well, maybe you do; I don't. To me, it doesn't much matter what hour of the day it is or how light or dark it is when certain things still have to be done that haven't been done yet. I just cannot get my head around the quaint and seemingly (to me, at any rate) antediluvian notion that this wholly artificial twice-yearly clock adjustment "gives" me - or anyone else - any extra daylight; I might applaud it otherwise!

The only downside is getting up one hour earlier when you put the clock back. And it can create havoc with radio interviews.

But I will grant that it is expensive and inconvenient to many.
The other downside is having to remember what time it's supposed to be and thinking "what's the point of "gaining" an hour when you have to spend most of it adjusting clocks - and when you're in transit on a flight in one direction or another, it really cuts no ice at all...

I still cannot help but think that it is a daft idea, for I fail to see who gets anything useful out of it. Sorry!

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Alistair (time to go to bed now - or is it time to get up? - can't always tell the difference...)
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 05:19:21 AM
If you have a structured schedule (it sounds like you don't) it makes a big difference to be done with school and 3 pm and still have 4 hours of day light instead of three, or done with work at 6 and still have one hour of daylight.

It also helps with depression induced by lack of light.

It would be much more complicated to have everybody adjust their schedule to take advantage of when the sun is out, to say it in Ptolomeic terms.

Are there any compositions that have different performance parameter depending on the time of the year the work is performed?  That sounds like a neat concept.  I shall write something this week.
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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 06:43:24 AM
If you have a structured schedule (it sounds like you don't)
If you mean me, I do have structured schedules, but they are not the same every day by any means.

It also helps with depression induced by lack of light.
The only way to get over that is to try to take advantage, as best one can, of the amount of daylight that there is at any given time; changing the clocks doesn't acheve that.

It would be much more complicated to have everybody adjust their schedule to take advantage of when the sun is out, to say it in Ptolomeic terms.
But we all do this already in any case - not ALL the time, admittedly, but a lot of the time - quite simply because at certain times of year there is more daylight per day than at others. For the most extreme example of this, consider what it is like for people in the north of Scandinavia where, for part of a brief summer, there is almost no darkness and, for part of a long winter, there is hardly any daylight at all.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 09:48:53 PM
The whole idea is certainly bizarre...


In fact, it is not only bizzare, it is a pretty dumb idea.
With a close analysis, with all the distruptions and screw-ups, accidents by sleep deprived, etc., the loss is higher than gain.

But hey, as long as there are any changes, there is an illusion the clowns in DC are also doing something.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #12 on: March 15, 2007, 01:08:24 PM
there was a time change? it's the same time here in Europe, nothing has changed.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #13 on: March 15, 2007, 06:00:26 PM
there was a time change? it's the same time here in Europe, nothing has changed.

SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!  The whole world is going insane...  Nobody knows what time it is.

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Re: Daylight Savings?
Reply #14 on: March 16, 2007, 03:25:39 PM
Hasn't anyone said time is relative yet and pushed the thread towards an argument about General relativity?
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