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Offline imbetter

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"normal"
on: March 13, 2007, 11:00:57 PM
in my opinion, "normal" is just a fixation of the mind; more of an opinion than fact. A better word to use rather than normal is "usually". For example: if a heavy person eats an "abnormal" amount of food, it's not "abnormal" it's just unusual.

Who gets what im saying and who agrees with me?
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Re: "normal"
Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 11:07:56 PM
Yeah, I agree.

"Normal" is what the society defines as it. That's why I hate this word. ^^
I'm far away from being "normal". And i don't wanna be normal. I have my own style. xD

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Offline ada

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Re: "normal"
Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 02:19:41 AM
You are right. "Normal" implies a value judgement. "Normality" is also defined by what it's relative to, ie, by that amorphous "other".

There are a number of PF members who could rightly be considered "abnormal". But that of course is compared to normal people like myself  ;)

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Re: "normal"
Reply #3 on: March 14, 2007, 03:24:29 AM
Normal is a subjective term.  As such, it is nextdoor to impossible to define, much less pin it down exactly...

However, I will say that, normally, only abnormal people would even think to have a normal conversation in a normal internet forum using normal english on what the normal meaning of normal should normally be...

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Offline ahinton

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Re: "normal"
Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 07:00:50 AM
You are right. "Normal" implies a value judgement. "Normality" is also defined by what it's relative to, ie, by that amorphous "other".

There are a number of PF members who could rightly be considered "abnormal". But that of course is compared to normal people like myself  ;)
You? NORMAL? Stuff and nonsense! On the evidence that I have, you're FAR better than that (thank God - if you'll pardon my mentioning Him)...

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Offline counterpoint

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Re: "normal"
Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 07:55:28 AM
I use the word to distinguish between normal and superior things.
If you own two horses, you are not normal. If you can play Islamey (okay, you can't  :P ) you are not normal either.

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Re: "normal"
Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 08:31:34 AM
I use the word to distinguish between normal and superior things.
If you own two horses, you are not normal. If you can play Islamey (okay, you can't  :P ) you are not normal either.
I own no horses - nor have I have owned any - and I cannot play Islamey (which hfact is less than surprising, since I am not a pianist), but this does not make me "normal"...

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Re: "normal"
Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
I own no horses - nor have I have owned any - and I cannot play Islamey (which hfact is less than surprising, since I am not a pianist), but this does not make me "normal"...

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Alistair


Oh, it was a reply to imbetter's main question, and he claimed, he owned 2 horses and can play Islamey  ;D

Here on piano street I think, most of the folks are not normal, but in your case, Alistair, I' m pretty sure, you are an outstanding special person  :D
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Re: "normal"
Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 09:39:25 AM

Oh, it was a reply to imbetter's main question, and he claimed, he owned 2 horses and can play Islamey  ;D

Here on piano street I think, most of the folks are not normal, but in your case, Alistair, I' m pretty sure, you are an outstanding special person  :D
I'll take that as a compliment and express my apprecation for it as graciously as I am able.

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Offline counterpoint

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Re: "normal"
Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 09:49:23 AM
I'll take that as a compliment

of course it is a compliment
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Offline pianistimo

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Re: "normal"
Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
i think all pianists and/or composers are special.  i have never met a 'normal' one.  when one considers standardized testing  - what comes to mind are bell curves and fitting within a proscribed standard of thinking and logic.  not to say that many on pianoforum are not logical - but they have also tweaked their illogical creative side so that it embellishes logic with intuition and inspiration. 

i think we actually strive to be different just by choosing the piano (or a composition style).  most people don't want to spend endless hours practicing an instrument simply to become proficient.  perhaps if the world were only made up of pianists then things would be 'normal' as we imagine they are supposed to be.  you know.  wake up - practice.  think about music.  listen to music.  practice.  do other work - get sidetracked by music.  practice.  look at music.  talk to musicians.  - i mean there's no real money in it - but there is a lot of love and heart.  people like to listen to music to calm their souls.  it also calms the performer/practicer's soul.  i think it's better than a psychologists/psychotherapists couch.  you can pick your therapy (the piece of music) and feel much better after playing - even if you didn't feel badly before.

also, in retrospect - i DO think there is a lot of 'logic' to music.  at least as much as mathematics.  methods of teaching and practice are good examples, also, of using one's brain for finding efficient ways to do something.  there is an innate structure to music and musical form - too - so if you understand what is 'normal' - you can understand how to be abnormal.  take haydn for instance.  he learned musical form just so he could break all the rules later on and see if anyone noticed.

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Re: "normal"
Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 07:01:15 PM
Nothing normal about you my little Collegeville Crackpot.

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Offline ahinton

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Re: "normal"
Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 09:55:50 PM
Nothing normal about you my little Collegeville Crackpot.
Isn't this charm school thing just going abit far?...

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Offline rach n bach

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Re: "normal"
Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 09:56:56 PM
Isn't this charm school thing just going abit far?...

Yes.. but you gotta adimt that it's a lot better than the %^&# he used to post...   ;D

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Re: "normal"
Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 11:05:04 PM

Oh, it was a reply to imbetter's main question, and he claimed, he owned 2 horses and can play Islamey  ;D

Here on piano street I think, most of the folks are not normal, but in your case, Alistair, I' m pretty sure, you are an outstanding special person  :D

four horses >:(
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Re: "normal"
Reply #15 on: March 14, 2007, 11:20:30 PM
four horses >:(

Shoot, now that's real abnormal...
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Re: "normal"
Reply #16 on: March 16, 2007, 03:15:51 PM
That quote by imbetter is mine.  We go to same school and i wrote that quote.  "Normal is a fixation of the mind based on its usual surroundings.  By removing this fixation, everyone in the world can live in equality and peace"

Thats by me thank you very much!

 

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Re: "normal"
Reply #17 on: March 16, 2007, 03:16:18 PM
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