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Offline living_stradivarius

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Falwell dead
on: May 15, 2007, 06:22:26 PM


Justice is served.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
First I didn't understand the teletubby's allusion, but then I read the wikipedia article about Jerry Falwell  :o



In February 1999, an article in Falwell's National Liberty Journal suggested that a Teletubbies character, Tinky Winky, could be a hidden homosexual symbol, because the character was purple (which the article claimed was a color symbolic of homosexuality), had an inverted triangle on his head and carried a handbag. ( The pink triangles was used as a badge to denote homosexuals in Nazi concentration camps, and has since been adopted as an emblem by gay-rights movements.) Falwell denied any personal involvement with the original article, and made clear he never had any prior knowledge of or concern with the Teletubbies. Falwell's organization said the author of the article was simply repeating what others in the media were already saying about the nature of the character [29]. In the months following this incident, Falwell received a number of Tinky Winky plush dolls via mail, most of which he has given to his grandchildren.[30]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell

It seems that Jerry Falwell was not a very nice person in many respects, but nonetheless - the death of whoever is not a good reason for cheers of triumph.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 07:19:54 PM
Here's a sample quote from Falwell about the causes of 9/11.   "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

I fail to see the connection.

I don't want to glory in anyone's death; still, the Tinky Winky picture is very funny.  Good one.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 09:03:51 PM
You may not have agreed with him, but he lived what he believed.

Many Christians loved him, and many did not, but in the end -
there is only one to answer to.

I love a person who doesn't care what others think and lives by their own convictions.

Christians in particular. are called to do this - and when they do, they will be unpopular.

And perhaps justice truly is served,
The Bible says - "The rigtheous perish and no one lays it to heart that he was taken from the evil to come."

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 11:13:35 PM
I love a person who doesn't care what others think and lives by their own convictions.

So did Adolph Hitler.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #5 on: May 16, 2007, 01:39:25 AM
perhaps we are all at fault.  i think the main reason is greed.  if everyone shared - nobody would be trying to make a statement so desperate.  if even Jesus said 'noone is good, excepting God...' when someone said 'good Master' - then we must all be at fault in the demise of the world as it was. 

and yet - the samaritan was called good because of his small deeds of timely kindness.  instead of doing large evil deeds - i think everyone should start doing small good deeds every day.  thinking what they can do to make the world a better place.

a friend of mine relayed a story about buying a case of peaches at a farmer's market.  he was carrying the case for a little distance, and saw a couple of homeless guys and offerred them a peach.  when he did not ask for money afterwards - they heartily thanked him.  he kept going and saw an older man who was slowly plodding along with a walker.  he asked him if he wanted a peach.  the man asked 'are you a christian?'  he said, 'well, i consider myself a disciple of Christ.'  then, he said - i have always had low blood sugar and was feeling that i was going to faint - this peach will probably save my life (ok don't laugh).  then, he gets home with still so many peaches that he starts handing them out to the neighborhood.

i would rather see people throw peaches at one another than hear about another car bombing.  and, about pointing the finger - there are always four pointing back.  we can't really decide other's fates - but we do decide our own.  i think it is by what we say and do.  i mean if you are a christian - you have to do what Christ did.  he didn't accuse people very much.  He just attempted to be the best example by what he said and did.

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #6 on: May 16, 2007, 02:16:15 AM
Too bad he did not just find out he was wrong all the time and that there is no heaven/god. There should be an afterlife just to show believers there isn't one.

And then send the pictures of their faces back to our world. Would be a tv hit.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #7 on: May 16, 2007, 02:19:07 AM
if Jesus came back in a ressurrected body - then it shows hope that we may be both ressurrected to eternal life and have a physical body that we can choose to appear in.  sci-fi is no stranger.  with God, all things are possible.  both Jesus Christ and several angels appearred in the fiery furnace that Daniel was put into.

ezekiel and the valley of dry bones speaks of this literal transformation back to flesh for some people.  and yet - the first ressurrection is to eternal life.  these people that ezekiel saw did not believe and are literally ressurrected back to their bodies to live out their lives in belief.

'the hand of the Lord was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones.  and He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry.  and He said to me, 'son of man, can these bones live?' and i answered, 'oh Lord God, Thou knowest.'  thus says the Lord God to these bones, 'Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life, and I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin, and put breath in you that you may come alive; AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD.'

if you already believe- what happens to you according to the bible?  you just accept Christ's sacrifice in your stead.  He allows entrance to his 'kingdom of God' by faith.  that is the essence of the saying 'it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle...'  if you think you know -you might not.  better to say - 'it might be so.'  i think that the difficulty for a rich man to enter the kingdom is not so much by his riches - but by the deception of his mind.  people think wealth and wisdom go together.  also, some 'think' they are rich - but are poor.  so we all have to catch ourselves in our own follies.

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #8 on: May 16, 2007, 03:40:00 AM
Now I can scratch him off my list of "Top 100 People Who Need to Die for the World to be a Better Place"

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #9 on: May 16, 2007, 03:41:02 AM
i love teletubbies........

especially Po. She was ROCKIN.
"I could fly or fall but to never have tried at all
Scares me more than anything in the world
I could hit or miss, but to just sit here like this
Scares me more than anything in the world"
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #10 on: May 16, 2007, 05:11:13 AM
I will miss the man's moral strength and courage.  He was a man greatly used by God.  More than his politics, I wish people would remember him as a great pastor, who loved his church.  Pastor was his first calling, and he always put it as his priority.  I have met him, and I will also miss his huge smile!  He was (really he still is) a great man.

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #11 on: May 16, 2007, 06:09:17 AM
perhaps we are all at fault.  i think the main reason is greed.  if everyone shared - nobody would be trying to make a statement so desperate.  if even Jesus said 'noone is good, excepting God...' when someone said 'good Master' - then we must all be at fault in the demise of the world as it was. 

and yet - the samaritan was called good because of his small deeds of timely kindness.  instead of doing large evil deeds - i think everyone should start doing small good deeds every day.  thinking what they can do to make the world a better place.

a friend of mine relayed a story about buying a case of peaches at a farmer's market.  he was carrying the case for a little distance, and saw a couple of homeless guys and offerred them a peach.  when he did not ask for money afterwards - they heartily thanked him.  he kept going and saw an older man who was slowly plodding along with a walker.  he asked him if he wanted a peach.  the man asked 'are you a christian?'  he said, 'well, i consider myself a disciple of Christ.'  then, he said - i have always had low blood sugar and was feeling that i was going to faint - this peach will probably save my life (ok don't laugh).  then, he gets home with still so many peaches that he starts handing them out to the neighborhood.

i would rather see people throw peaches at one another than hear about another car bombing.  and, about pointing the finger - there are always four pointing back.  we can't really decide other's fates - but we do decide our own.  i think it is by what we say and do.  i mean if you are a christian - you have to do what Christ did.  he didn't accuse people very much.  He just attempted to be the best example by what he said and did.
OK, come on, then Susan; show us your talents for turning water into peaches! (and note that I did include the words "talents for turning water into" here)...

Ah, life's a peach, sometimes - but please do bear in mnd that, when you write "if you are a Christian", your readership here includes many who are not.

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Alistair
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #12 on: May 16, 2007, 09:04:20 AM
Even christians don't have the right to destroy other peoples lives.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #13 on: May 16, 2007, 11:06:16 AM
Now I can scratch him off my list of "Top 100 People Who Need to Die for the World to be a Better Place"


Hmm... who will you replace him with ?!

Walter Ramsey

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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #14 on: May 16, 2007, 01:40:12 PM
When I saw the headline on MSNBC, immediately what popped into my head was the song from The Wizard of Oz, "Ding, Dong the Witch is dead.........".
Guess that pretty much explains what I thought of the man and what he stood for.  I do not think anything different regarding the "Immoral Majority".
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #15 on: May 16, 2007, 01:50:10 PM
Hmm... who will you replace him with ?!

Walter Ramsey


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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #16 on: May 17, 2007, 02:03:47 PM
she will never die.  just kidding.  anyways - she is smart enough to hold her own and use others intelligence against them.

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Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 06:04:28 PM
She's an evil, hateful, narrow minded windbag, much the same as Falwell was. Enough said.
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Re: Falwell dead
Reply #18 on: May 17, 2007, 08:25:54 PM
Christopher Hitchens really hits the nail on the head:

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