tanzania?

[pianistimo]

why doesn't the american public get asked before places are bombed.  this isn't representative of the way the entire american public thinks.  are we safer for doing exactly what terrorists do?  i'm very confused right now. i don't think this is a good thing.  can't we get al quada leaders one on one?

[Bob]

It's representative government.  They represent us.  When they mess up too much, I'm sure they'll hear about it.

What happened with Tanzania?

I think the al quada people are hiding out in countries and the US doesn't want to step in there and violate some treaty.  All that "your either with us or against us" stuff and then the US decides not to go all the way?  I'm kind of disappointed.

[pianistimo]

but, isn't that sovereign nations leaders jobs?  to alert our leaders of where they are hiding and turn them in.  if they don't, then, if the al quada people are traced back to that country - it looks bad for them. 

i don't know what to think.  my first reaction was - this is the start of a world war.  but, perhaps i am too pessimistic as to how other countries will react.  namely africa. 

[thalbergmad]

this is the start of a world war. 

Of course, it is written in revelations.

[pianistimo]

well, how do you feel when bombs go off in london?  i suppose they are getting a taste of their own medicine - but they are causing innocent civilians in many countries now to suffer.  i just wish they could hone in on the cause of the problem and not entire buildings or whatever is bombed.  it's just messed up.

[prometheus]

Yes, let's nuke Pakistan because of the bombings in London.

Same with Saudi Arabia, they were behind 9/11. Just a few nukes all the underground oil will also blow up the country. So that will be cheap.

And when we are finished with that we can behead all American citizens for what Bush did to Iraq.



If Pianistimo were a world leader she would single handedly start WWIII at any possible excuse she can find. Just to fulfill the prophecy of the bible so that Christ will return.

She would be the death of us all.

[thalbergmad]

Yes, let's nuke Pakistan because of the bombings in London.

That would not work, because to kill all the Pakistani's, you would have to bomb London again.

Thal

[pianistimo]

prometheus, i fail to understand why the personal attack - when i have said nothing regarding world politics that is for violence.  whereas you have said many violent things.  among them - beheading american citizens.  i think you are daft.

if anyone starts wwIII it will be germany.  there.  now you have it.  a political war machine.  you think bush is bad.  wait until germany controls the finances and political clout of the entirety of europe.  you are numbskulled if you think america will end what it has started.  it's a chain of events.

why do i say this?  history.  look at their role in wwi and wwii.  timing is everything.  it's a deck of cards - and yes.  i think it's coming down.  i don't think it was particularly smart to bomb the building in tanzania.  but, the terrorists have been randomly bombing places all over the world for years.  what have peacekeepers been able to do?  nothing.  they don't shoot - so they are shot.

i don't see how peace will be made easily over so many hot-spots.  i'm not blaming germany for the current crisis.  but, their quietness makes me nervous.

[thalbergmad]

if anyone starts wwIII it will be germany.   

3rd time lucky eh?

Thal

[pianistimo]

it's like a mystery story - but you have to have read the last chapter before you go to the next.  the von hapsburgs were involved in the monarchy as CHarles I was emperor of hungary - but witnessed austria-hungary dissolve in wwI and he was forced to abdicate.  charles son otto renounced the throne - went to usa and did try to form an austrian army to defeat germany's army in wwII - but the thing is that he was really trying to say that it was his position of power (the throne) and not hitlers.  now, he's very old - but wasn't the monarchy accepted again in 1996 or thereabouts.  so, the heirs can both be involved in politics and also in a sort of strange twist of fate that could put them into power again.

i don't think the majority of german citizens think about or care about that the european super-state that has begun in their country - is the start of a world system of government.  but, some in power want to again assert germany as the world leader of europe in ideas and structure.  to follow a certain order.  it was just underground for 50 years.  charlemagne's empire never wants to die.

hitler's 'third reich' was called 'third' for a reason.  daniel 7:23 - calls the fourth world ruling kingdom a 'fourth beast.'  'the fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it.'  learning from history - they already have a lot of power - but nobody knows about it. 

just so people get it clear - i don't think german citizens are any more culpable than american - in wars.  but, the government system is much different.  they have had goals and they didn't die in WWII.  some might say - well, american government obviously has goals too - but it isn't to rule the world.  maybe to spread democracy - but it's not working and we haven't 'taken over' countries in the sense of trying to take their governments away from the national people.  to take away national sovereignty.  when you get into a world war - you are talking about displaced people.  land taken.  new political machinations to set up the world into 'structures.'  surveillance.  party-line.  dictatorship.  i believe religion will play a role in getting people to willingly accept the structure - but then relgion will be taken away at the end.  daniel 7:25 'and he will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time.'  three and a half years.  a world ruling system.  this is in the bible.

[thalbergmad]

I thought i was mental until i read that.

Thal

[pianistimo]

charlemagne was the first great 'man of action' to emerge from the darkness since the collapse of the roman world.  in rome, on x-mas day - 800 AD - pope leo III crowned him Holy Roman Emperor.  the first head of an empire that would last over 1000 years.  napoleon forced the dissolution in 1806.

here's info about the second reich (some say it was from 1871-1918) https://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/germany/2ndreich/index.html

the third reich was fairly short - but an attempt - as you say.

the fourth time may well be lucky for 3 1/2 years.  it's all very much a military thing.  getting nations to jointly join forces.  which isn't completely out of the question since the european union is stronger with joint forces than operating alone.

[thalbergmad]

I don't see any danger from the Germans.

At the moment, England is being invaded by Romanians, Bulgarians, Poles, Iraqis, Iranians, Kosovans, Chinese, Albanians, Tunisians and just about eveyone else.

The Germans seem to be content with their own Country over the last few years.

You reasoning is as usual, unsurpassed.

Thal 

[olga_janina]

I agree with Thal.  The only thing the Germans are interested in conquering these days are sun-loungers!!

Surely it is far more likely that WWIII will be started by China or America.

[pianistimo]

i guess we wait and see...but as i read the papers - several companies in germany are responsible for selling arms to iran.  i think things can appear different than what they are.  were they located specifically and dealt with.  no.  so the german government is responsible. 

america isn't stupid - always.  but, we have our moments.  at least we are not just waiting over here for terrorists to invade our country.  germany- at the moment trusts syria and iran.  great bedfellows they'll be in the future.  but, for now - they are doing some bidding.

WHO IN EUROPE IS STOPPING IRAN FROM BUILDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS?  nobody.  this is like 1938 as netanyahu says.  the agenda for the middle east is to wipe out israel and then usa.  the agenda for the west is to clean out afganistan, iraq, syria, lebanon, libya, sudan, somalia, and a few more and then iran.  how do i know?  i don't - but that's where the terrorists seem to go around in circles.  it's this catch-22.  but, when europe gets involved - germany gets involved.  then - as i see it - because germany helped iran - they'll be some sort of peace agreement temporarily. 

the bible says it will all end up with ALL THE NATIONS fighting in the middle east at armaggedon.  that the euphrates will dry up and allow the nations to 'pass through.'  it's just odd to me (not odd really) that every word of the bible has a reason for being and that it's not just there to look at and say - it's just a story.  it's real.  it's going to happen - just like it says it will.

i don't think i'm any sort of psychic or any prophetess or anything like that.  i just feel something from reading the bible.  something in my head and heart that says - this is true.  this is what is happening right now.  the king of the north.  the king of the south.  making a termporary peace agreement.  what part of the bible has not come true in the past.  it will certainly come true in the future.  maybe not as we predict from what we think - but every word of God is true - so therefore - whatever God meant by what He said will be so.

the united states should prepare for invasion.  unless we put 'in God we trust' back on our money and refrain from buying up the euro as though it will save us.  it will be our demise.  maybe europe doesn't have designs now - but the leadership of germany does through the insanity of iran.

[jakev2.0]

Do you even read the news? The US attacked SOMALIA -- not Tanzania - to kill Al-Qaeda operatives. Somalia isn't a stable country and has virtually no sovereignty to violate anyway.

..This may have something to do with why you aren't consulted for foreign policy decisions. 

[prometheus]

You are saying Germany will cause WWIII for no reason and you wonder why I make a personal comment?

Because it is your personality we are continuously forced to talk about.

Imagine a person that is in need of mental help saying: "Why the personal insults? Don't you have arguments, bla bla."

I am not trying to make a point by attacking your personality, I am just commenting on your personality in general.

[jakev2.0]

I have no clue what point you were trying to make. Your posts are merely a collection of baffling non-sequiturs.

[Bob]

3rd time lucky eh?
Thal

Hat trick?


I'm still wondering.  Why is this thread called Tanzania?  What happened there?  Was it in the news?

[pianistimo]

sorry. somalia.  what i believe was said is that al quada was responsible for planning the attacks on us embassy in tanzania in 1998 and other us embassies.  they are obviously hiding out wherever they can.  who cares?  nobody. 

[jakev2.0]

Yes, Al-Qaeda were responsible for the 1998 embassy bombings. What was this thread about again?

[olga_janina]

the bible says it will all end up with ALL THE NATIONS fighting in the middle east at armaggedon.  that the euphrates will dry up and allow the nations to 'pass through.'  it's just odd to me (not odd really) that every word of the bible has a reason for being and that it's not just there to look at and say - it's just a story.  it's real.  it's going to happen - just like it says it will.

According to the Bible all civilzation was destroyed during the great flood (with the exception of Noah, his family and animals etc.), which has been proven inaccurate following the hieroglyphics etc. so I fail to understand why you seem to believe something in the Bible predicting the future where it is clearly not accurate when it comes to the past. But if Armageddon's going to occur, inevitably, because the Bible says so, then what is the point of worrying about it. We can't stop it.

[pianistimo]

hieroglyphics were used in egypt - and some were on obelisks that were found under the water near greece.  how did such heavy stone (tons and tons) get moved all the way there from alexandria.  some have been transported back to egypt.  but how did many heavy objects move and become displaced and placed again? 

also, what particular hieroglyphic says 'there was no flood.'  there are many flood stories.  in practically all groups of peoples - within their histories.

how did the scablands form?  the grand canyon?  noone can say - a little river formed this.  they'd have to have had such a significant amoutn of water as to break dams and have massive water flows.  also, significantly more water in the polar regions to have THAT MUCH ICE. do you realize how much ice had been in the polar regiosn.  where did it come from.  it destroyed previously living fairly moderate temperatured animals with grass in their mouths/stomach.  perhaps the flood happened at the same time as a bit of polar shift?  would anything but a worldwide flood allow for such a gravitational anomoly?  magnetic? 

[olga_janina]

how did such heavy stone (tons and tons) get moved all the way there from alexandria.

also, what particular hieroglyphic says 'there was no flood.'  there are many flood stories.  in practically all groups of peoples - within their histories.

The stones at Stonehenge managed to be transported a significant distance and I don't see anyone arguing that man didn't do it.

I was pointing out that it's obvious that not all civilization was wiped out, not claiming that there was no flood.  The Church had already estimated when it was likely to have occurred and it was disproven. They made Champollion's life a misery for that.

[thalbergmad]

oh gawd, she's off again.

Thal

[pianistimo]

it was theoretically disproven.  just as evolution is also theory.

do you realize that science bases the age of dinosaurs MERELY on layers of sediment.  thus 'millions of years' are sediment based theory.  when mt. st helena broke loose - half the mountain went down.

[thalbergmad]

do you realize that science bases the age of dinosaurs MERELY on layers of sediment.  thus 'millions of years' are sediment based theory. 

Do you realise that some people base the age of the Earth by adding up the age of the prophets, that was written in a bronze age book of edited myths.

Please do not dig up this rubbish again, we have been through it before.

Thal

[pianistimo]

but what was proven?  you cannot prove to me that a worldwide flood did not happen.  so it's not rubbish.

[thalbergmad]

The flood is not rubbish but the date is.

Now please reactivate one of your tambourine banging threads if you wish to continue making an idiot out of yourself.

Thanks in advance.

Thal

[ramseytheii]

Do you even read the news? The US attacked SOMALIA -- not Tanzania - to kill Al-Qaeda operatives. Somalia isn't a stable country and has virtually no sovereignty to violate anyway.

..This may have something to do with why you aren't consulted for foreign policy decisions. 

Chomsky and Hitchens and many others argue very strongly that US attacked Somalia to create headlines, for Clinton to escape harrassment from the Lewinsky affair.  There was no justification, in the intelligence or otherwise, for Clinton's bombing of a pharmaceutical company that provided medications to the people of Somalia.  There's a lot of information about this criminal act on the web, and I can provide some links if anyone is interested.

Walter Ramsey