relativity

[pianistimo]

in counter to the 'absolute' truth thread - i'm beginning a thread about relativity.  basically - it's the idea that everything is random.  that there is no one truth - but many paths to enlightenment.  and, enlightenment itself is a form of delusion - because in this idea of relativity it depends upon whom is asking the question and whom is answering.

[mcgillcomposer]

in counter to the 'absolute' truth thread - i'm beginning a thread about relativity.  basically - it's the idea that everything is random.  that there is no one truth - but many paths to enlightenment.  and, enlightenment itself is a form of delusion - because in this idea of relativity it depends upon whom is asking the question and whom is answering.

Just by chance...did you do a BA?

[cmg]

enlightenment itself is a form of delusion - because in this idea of relativity it depends upon whom is asking the question and whom is answering.

Nay, madam, nay!  Enlightenment is by definition the opposite of delusion.  It is a solitary process by which one questions him/herself to come to the truth. 

[thalbergmad]

Just by chance...did you do a BA?

Can't you tell?

Thal

[rimv2]

in counter to the 'absolute' truth thread - i'm beginning a thread about relativity.  basically - it's the idea that everything is random.  that there is no one truth - but many paths to enlightenment.  and, enlightenment itself is a form of delusion - because in this idea of relativity it depends upon whom is asking the question and whom is answering.

You darn to counter moi

Ah let it slide.


Just this once

[cmg]

Hey, pianistimo, since everything's relative here, I thought I'd tell you that I was in Patelson's Music House last night, killing time before I heard Patti LuPone in "Gypsy" at City Center (she kicked butt!) and stumbled upon the Leroy Anderson Concerto in the "A" composer's bin.  Thought of you.  God but that score was expensive.  You must be dripping in cash.

Tried to get the York Bowen "Preludes."  They are OUT OF PRINT!!  Can't believe it.  

Hope Thal reads this and can tell me if a copy is available somewhere at some UK establishment.

It's all relative, you know.

[thalbergmad]

https://www.chappellofbondstreet.co.uk/cobs_search.php?keywords=york+bowen&execute=true&super_cat_id=10

[cmg]

You're a global treasure and in your magnificence and munificence you make the Seven Wonders of the World look like a pathetic trail of cat-sick.

Thanks, Thal!!  The first performance of them is dedicated to you.  (Some of them might not be at tempo, so I hope you can overlook that . . .)

[mcgillcomposer]

Can't you tell?

Thal

It was a rhetorical question.

[pianistimo]

rhetorical?  well - i realize that relativity is a mathematic construct - but it is often brought into psychology unintentionally or intentionally - to explain the idea that we're all here - but we don't know what for.  if that is the case - how do we know we're all here?  just wondering. 

yes.  i have a BA - but i know people with Phd's that are crazy.  but fun.  usually off in some kind of 'never-never' land in one field of study and don't know how to tie the proverbial shoelace in another area. 

letters don't mean a thing.  what if someone was going to save you from drowning.  would you first ask - do you have a PhD?  i'm only going to let me touch you if you have some kind of knowledge about water currents.  now - of course, there are firemen with the equivalent of a PhD in this kind of situation - but who cares as long as they studied the material.

cmg - patty lupone?  i have to take a listen.  the leroy anderson PC i bought at pepper music for a hefty fee, too.  i was a bit surprised at the price - (forget now what it was) - but bought it anyways.  and, i'm glad - although it's a bit repetitive and you have to spark it up with some little tricks of speed and juju (whatever that is).  i found a recording of it and posted it awhile back.  have you ever heard it?  it's very carefree.

cmg - i like your idea of relativity.  to compare thal to the seven wonders of the world (and making them look like cat-sick) was a stupendous analogy.  when i rarely have time to contemplate thal - i think that if i were to meet him i would first ignore him - but then have a very hard time doing that.     

[richard black]

Er, speaking as a physicist.... relativity is nothing to do with the world being random or anything like that. It's a very deterministic theory, indeed its originator (one A. Einstein) had doubts about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle until the end of his days. The HUP is the one that in a manner of speaking says it's all random, but only up to a point.

Special Relativity is a very simple theory that conveniently (and correctly, as has been experimentally verified in the century or so since its formulation) explains how the speed of light is constant to all observers everywhere. Most teenage science majors understand it fairly well, at least mathematically.

General Relativity is a rather complicated theory explaining stuff like how light is affected by gravitational fields. Only real propellorheads understand it in any very meaningful sense.

And by the way, for whoever was asking, the York Bowen Preludes have been out of print for many years. I've got a copy and might just about be persuaded to copy them one of these years....

[prometheus]

Finally, thank you Richard.

[mcgillcomposer]

rhetorical? 

Yes, and full of sarcasm.

Richard...thank you.

[thalbergmad]

And by the way, for whoever was asking, the York Bowen Preludes have been out of print for many years. I've got a copy and might just about be persuaded to copy them one of these years....

I would not worry, it has already been done.

Thal

[pianistimo]

thanks for explaining the various 'relativities' mr black.  i suppose i should not start a topic i know nothing about - but it's been done before by people who know nothing of religion - so i suppose i'm not the first to start a topic on something that i really haven't a clue other than the idea that some scientists appear to be baffled by the 'mandelbrot set.'  now, this isn't dealing with light, per se.

but, perhaps the theory of relativity and the theories of complexity aren't really at odds with one another.  they are separate theories. 

i think i'll start another topic about 'propellor heads.'  very descriptive.

[thalbergmad]

i suppose i should not start a topic i know nothing about

Never stopped you before.

Thal

[pianistimo]

i know enough about propellor heads to know that you're missing one propellor.  that is why your head is slightly tilted.

[thalbergmad]

Well, at least i am advanced enough to have a propellor, you are still using sail.

That is why your brain is tilted.

Thal

[pianistimo]

if everything is relative - my having a tilted brain and your having a tilted head just make for some kind of speck trouble in the universe.  these are things that are probably not self-diagnostic and require some kind of hookup to become regulated.  you - to a propellor agnosticator and me to another sail whipper-upper/and or ripchecker.  the thing is - that with relativity - it doesn't matter if a person is three sheets to the wind or one.  so what would be the purpose of adding more?  say we are all moving at top speed.  does it matter?  why not lose another propellor or sail and  just blimp along.