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Offline steinwaymodeld

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This guy dissed Horowitz for the HR2 ending. Saying 'EVERYONE BUT ME FAKED THE ENDING'
he thinks he is the true messiah of the piano world.
What do you think about this? And WHERE exactly did Horowitz faked in the ending of the piece?
(If Horowitz had to faked it, he wouldn't make the mid-passage 20 times harder. O also, he said Horowitz was a senior citizen when he performed this, as a matter of fact, Horowitz was 49.)


and what with this LEVEL 10 stupdity????
Does Horowitz need a scale for his playing too?

God this pisses me off.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #1 on: August 19, 2007, 04:08:45 PM
what

this following vid made me so mad, i can see straight:



He dissed Juilliard (probably because he was rejceted), and then said he is doing what 'schubert and chopin were doing hundreds of years ago.'




and these, are his compositions:




yea, i can totally see the multilayer voicing playgout and how the theme develops fugue-like in these pieces of crap.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #2 on: August 19, 2007, 09:56:59 PM
What an idiot. a) the passage is not that hard if your octave tech is remotely decent, just alternate octaves b) the idea that Horowitz, Cziffra etc fake the passage by playing the octaves together ... hmm.. wonder how Cziffra did the Bumblebee  ??? I suppose everyone fakes the ending of the Mephisto Waltz too?
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 02:26:18 AM
Do I hear unwarranted claims?

"that the conductors at Carnegie Hall fake it"

"the highest level of technique is in the end of the HR2"

Two separate channels of autopilot? I don't know... I think playing the octaves syncopated is harder than playing them together...

"Beethoven wouldn't let any of the on the stage."

and my favorites (I can't decide which I like better"...

"that Chinese pianist cheats just as the Chinese athletes at the Olympics"

"hillbilly education...I mean, higher education"
Ho.

Ho.

Ho.

It's incapable, not uncapable, dumbass.

Time for some Goldbergs by Gould to calm me down.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 04:03:30 AM
May the piano lid slam down on both of his hands...repeatedly.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 04:20:52 AM
Well, I agree with him on the "education" aspect of his speech.  There is definately a serious problem in todays schools teaching Crumb and Cage over Bach Mozart and Brahms.  Unfortunately, there are too many holes in the way he articulates himself in that you can see he is not highly educated in music history and common performance practices.

As far as  Horowitz and Lang Lang thing go, what a joke.  I think He's just trying to get attention.

I must say the conductor references is probably the farthest  from the truth.  I know a conductor of a major orchestra here in the States and it is brutal.  The amount of repertoire they are expected to know and get through in a year is 50x what people had to know back in 1850.  Remember the full body of orchestral literature we know today took over 250 years to develop.  Not to mention all the advances in orchestration by people like Ravel, Stravinsky and Ligeti.  Balancing these timbres and textures along with tempo and volume with a 50+ person orchestra takes SERIOUS skill-regardless.   
(especially when your on a 1 week deadline to learn and rehearse a full symphonic work.)

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 07:33:16 AM
what, the octaves are more difficult together than separated..?

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 07:21:36 PM
Just....just.......wow.

How can a human being get so stupid? So ignorant?

I cant even comment on this, its just...wow.

And not the good kind of wow.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 11:43:00 PM
...he makes Lang Lang look/sound like a virtuous and intelligent musician...'nuff said

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 12:44:07 AM
"the highest level of technique is in the ending of the HR2..."  ::)

Perhaps it's the highest level of technique he has ever played, looking at the way he plays I would frankly not be surprised.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
I guess everybody needs an angle.  Too bad he has to get attention by attacking others, and his superiors at that.  I mean he doesn't even play that passage particularly well.  Who is interviewing him? Is this some kind of self-produced publicity DVD?

And why does this piece in particular attract wannabe hardcore punks with stud bracelets?



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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 02:44:55 AM
Sigh, I guess these kind of people always exist in the world, and it's the way of life that we have to deal with them, anywhere, anytime.

Right now, there is probably dissing you now.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #12 on: August 22, 2007, 03:31:13 AM
 Dear fellows:
 Interesting to notice that Mr. I-am-the-best's videos show nothing about music: his technique is just above mediocre, and his compositions make me think that he just used some computer to randomize a bunch of traditional works. By the way, his comments about the coda make me think seriously that he don't know very much about piano playing either.
 The other leatherboy at least can play, at least just as some thousand of other pianists. Here the outfit and the weird name enter: how to sell out in this crowded little world of traditional piano playing?
 Please... could someone please bring me a Tureck's recording?  ;D

 Best wishes!
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #13 on: August 22, 2007, 03:52:01 AM
What was with the leather drag and the spikey wristband :P Where was the performance...at the Eagle? Oh, and classy interview with the phone ringing in the background!
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #14 on: August 22, 2007, 05:26:27 AM
Best doesn't exist in the world of art. Stupid people do though.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #15 on: August 22, 2007, 06:02:25 AM
For sure... Haha. I don't think that attire really matters when you're playing. At least not in my mind. All that matters is that you touch people with music. Kastles attire doesn't bother me. His idiocy does. As for Maksim. He doesn't make idiotic claims about being the best pianist ever. And at least he's actually decent.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #16 on: August 22, 2007, 09:53:19 AM
And why does this piece in particular attract wannabe hardcore punks with stud bracelets?

I've heard worse performances.
To be honest, i found that pretty good.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #17 on: August 22, 2007, 10:48:39 AM
btw btw...virgin records...ain't too shabby?

https://www.amazon.com/Royce-Concerto-Richard-Kastle/dp/B000003SG7
https://belovedrecordings.com/artists.html

From the latter site:

The follow-up to Richard Kastle's debut album, "Streetwise" (Virgin).  Richard Kastle's vast appeal stems from his non-traditional approach to classical music; from his short cropped and bright colored hair and punk attire to his honest and personable appearance on stage.  His rebellious attitude and appearance has helped him lift the serious stereotype barrier for younger audiences.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #18 on: August 22, 2007, 05:01:39 PM
Give me a tuxedo, musical depth, and true technical chops any day...barriers be damned!

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #19 on: August 22, 2007, 05:15:32 PM
btw btw...virgin records...ain't too shabby?

https://www.amazon.com/Royce-Concerto-Richard-Kastle/dp/B000003SG7
https://belovedrecordings.com/artists.html

From the latter site:

The follow-up to Richard Kastle's debut album, "Streetwise" (Virgin).  Richard Kastle's vast appeal stems from his non-traditional approach to classical music; from his short cropped and bright colored hair and punk attire to his honest and personable appearance on stage.  His rebellious attitude and appearance has helped him lift the serious stereotype barrier for younger audiences.

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Hopefully he'll outgrow it.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 06:45:26 PM


LOOOL, new comment: his 8th piano concerto is better than either one of Liszt...?

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #21 on: August 22, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
   We forget how extraordinary the great composers of the past were, it is impossible to reach the same hights as Chopin and Liszt did. The composers of today are composers of film music .
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #22 on: August 22, 2007, 07:49:17 PM


LOOOL, new comment: his 8th piano concerto is better than either one of Liszt...?



Wow - now I know how to lose that xtra 30 lbs. I can go anorexic and listen to that before mealtime or go bolemic and listen to it after--won't even have to use my finger.  :P In addition, if it's true that laughter is the best medicine, I can save a bundle on medications.  ;D
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #23 on: August 22, 2007, 08:05:24 PM
PVAR!!!!

That's my new abbreviation for, "projectile vomiting across the room."

This guy is a first class idiot.  Truly shows the downside of youtube.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #24 on: August 22, 2007, 09:50:37 PM
 (...)
The composers of today are composers of film music .
Dear Zheer:
 Excuse me. I have to disagree with you, although I have to admit that it's unlikely that a pianist-composer of our days would in the future be considered in a high level such as Liszt, for instance.
 Best!
 
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #25 on: August 22, 2007, 10:23:15 PM
I noticed that a few members have gone on there to flame his crap.


We need more members to do that.  I don't know who this "John11inch" guy is, but he seems to have the right idea 8)

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #26 on: August 22, 2007, 11:01:00 PM
I called Alice Tully Hall and they said that he never performed there.  Then I posted that and it got deleted!! ;D

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #27 on: August 22, 2007, 11:07:04 PM
i posted it again and they deleted it again!!  They also deleted my post where i asked what hall he performed the Chopin Polonaises and the beethoven in ;D


I think all of us should go on there and post that we called the Alice Tully Hall and they had no history of him.


EDIT: posted a screenshot of my comment- check back there in 30 minutes; it will be gone.  Right click and open in a new window to view a high-res version of it.  Where you can actually read what it says XP


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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #28 on: August 22, 2007, 11:12:45 PM
It would be nice if he had actually hit all the right notes in the "highest level of technique" octaves at the end of HR2..
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #29 on: August 22, 2007, 11:29:02 PM
It would be nice if he had actually hit all the right notes in the "highest level of technique" octaves at the end of HR2..


Yeah I posted something to that effect calling them a bastard hybrid of 7ths, octaves and 9ths but nobody responded to that lol

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #30 on: August 22, 2007, 11:41:58 PM

Yeah I posted something to that effect calling them a bastard hybrid of 7ths, octaves and 9ths but nobody responded to that lol

I'm hardly surprised, considering that the people (if they are in fact different entities) that you are arguing with appear to think that a rather mundane octave passage represents the pinnacle of classical piano technique.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #31 on: August 23, 2007, 10:20:05 AM
I'm hardly surprised, considering that the people (if they are in fact different entities) that you are arguing with appear to think that a rather mundane octave passage represents the pinnacle of classical piano technique.
They further believe that the greatest and most well-known piece of music is the HR2.
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #32 on: August 23, 2007, 12:00:19 PM
Hopefully he'll outgrow it.

...since that record was released a decade ago, I guess he hasn't...

Initially I wasn't able to comprehend how the same company that produced such fine cd's as Queffelec's complete piano works by Dutilleux would want to release such recordings by Kastle...now that I've checked the release dates...

i posted it again and they deleted it again!! They also deleted my post where i asked what hall he performed the Chopin Polonaises and the beethoven in ;D

He deleted "neocomposer's" findings on virtuosity and his subsequent application to this Kastle dude.

I noticed that a few members have gone on there to flame his crap.


We need more members to do that. I don't know who this "John11inch" guy is, but he seems to have the right idea 8)

https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mikecaffey

Check the comment of "John11inch" on that page...this guy gave him the heads up...hahaha no wonder posts kept getting deleted ><

It would be nice if he had actually hit all the right notes in the "highest level of technique" octaves at the end of HR2..

...calling on etudes, marik etc. to record that HR2 passage will probably be a waste of time for them - not to mention degrading to them. So I propose some of the rest of us record that passage and post it up on YouTube as a video response. I should like to see what'd happen next...

They further believe that the greatest and most well-known piece of music is the HR2.

...it probably is...rates up there with Fur Elise, Liebestraume...

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #33 on: August 23, 2007, 02:57:20 PM
Kastle's faking time: 00:16  ;D
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #34 on: August 23, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
I don't understand.  If he is the only pianist not to fake the ending, then why are there mistakes in this recording?  I guess when I played this piece back in high school I was the only pianist who didn't fake it either.

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Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 04:18:48 PM
I don't understand.  If he is the only pianist not to fake the ending, then why are there mistakes in this recording?  I guess when I played this piece back in high school I was the only pianist who didn't fake it either.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 05:21:57 PM
I insulted him as best I could.  I'm Formenlehre.

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Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 06:01:57 PM
Where's your comment?  I can't find it...
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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #38 on: August 23, 2007, 06:13:23 PM
Where's your comment?  I can't find it...

He deletes them as soon as he sees them. I have posted like 5 comments and they are all gone.
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Reply #39 on: August 23, 2007, 06:26:55 PM
He was also never on Jay Leno.  I called his bluff and did a search for him on the website he sent me to.


Most relevant result:  Richard Bachus

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Reply #40 on: August 23, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
He deletes them as soon as he sees them. I have posted like 5 comments and they are all gone.

In response to his deletion, I posted this comment.

You are a moron.  I cannot believe you deleted my comments.  You are so incredibly stupid.  What's it like living in a total fantasy world?  No one believes anything you say.

A bit childish, but it will be deleted soon anyway.  I'm thinking maybe I'll make a hobby of leaving him a nasty comment every time I log onto pianostreet.  Anyone wanna join me? 

I have sort of a lot of time on my hands at the moment......nothing better to do...haha.

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #42 on: August 23, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
btw btw...virgin records...ain't too shabby?

https://www.amazon.com/Royce-Concerto-Richard-Kastle/dp/B000003SG7
https://belovedrecordings.com/artists.html

From the latter site:

The follow-up to Richard Kastle's debut album, "Streetwise" (Virgin).  Richard Kastle's vast appeal stems from his non-traditional approach to classical music; from his short cropped and bright colored hair and punk attire to his honest and personable appearance on stage.  His rebellious attitude and appearance has helped him lift the serious stereotype barrier for younger audiences.

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AHAHA

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Re: Who does this guy think he is? (Including Horowitz diss)
Reply #43 on: August 23, 2007, 06:42:12 PM
https://www.tv.com/richard-kastle/person/153817/summary.html

I think this isn't a lie.

Then he should probably try sending people to that site instead of NBC.com.

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Reply #44 on: August 23, 2007, 06:42:46 PM
Here are my most recent comments in reverse order as they'd appear on youtube.  (I was bored.)

Okay now go ahead and delete my comments again, and I'll see you later today.


You are a moron. I cannot believe you deleted my comments. You are so incredibly stupid. What's it like living in a total fantasy world? No one believes anything you say.

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Reply #45 on: August 23, 2007, 07:18:15 PM
LOL I love you quite a bit 8)

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Reply #46 on: August 23, 2007, 07:43:26 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

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Reply #47 on: August 23, 2007, 07:52:44 PM
this guy is simply a joke.
his technique is medicore at best, his doesn't have any sense of musicality, he is arrogant, and he speaks crap.
and he is nothing but a show off

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Reply #48 on: August 23, 2007, 07:58:57 PM
What say someone sends him a link to this thread???  HAHAHA he cannot delete our comments here!  He will have no control.  Perhaps he even might cry.

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Reply #49 on: August 23, 2007, 08:22:49 PM
You are a moron. 
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I insulted him as best I could.
You're great, guys  ::)
I think every reasonable person would delete such comments.
Why do you even bother? We know who's right and that's all we need to know, why give a ... on what some guy x in the internet believes or not?
Calm down Oo
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something." - Plato
"The only truth lies in learning to free ourselves from insane passion for the truth" - Eco
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A Life with Beethoven – Moritz Winkelmann

What does it take to get a true grip on Beethoven? A winner of the Beethoven Competition in Bonn, pianist Moritz Winkelmann has built a formidable reputation for his Beethoven interpretations, shaped by a lifetime of immersion in the works and instruction from the legendary Leon Fleisher. Eric Schoones from the German/Dutch magazine PIANIST had a conversation with him. Read more
 

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