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Offline soliloquy

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« on: September 13, 2007, 11:25:07 PM »
Not a single person, atheist or non, voiced an argument for making a separate religion sub-board in the Non-Piano board.

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,26055.0.html



So... go ahead please.

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«Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 02:03:57 AM »
Not a single person, atheist or non, voiced an argument for making a seperate religion sub-board in the Non-Piano board.

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,26055.0.html



So... go ahead please.

I'm sorry, soliloquy, I like you  ;D but I'm going to have to ruin your 100% statistic and say that creating a religion sub-board would not stop certain people from inserting religious themes into their replies.   And it would be a full time job for Nils to move all those replies to this board all day long.

Besides, it would create an implicit "no religion" rule in all the other threads, which would make the forum sort of communist.  Free speech should rule, with all its drawbacks. :-\

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«Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 10:13:37 AM »
I'm sorry, soliloquy, I like you  ;D but I'm going to have to ruin your 100% statistic and say that creating a religion sub-board would not stop certain people from inserting religious themes into their replies.   And it would be a full time job for Nils to move all those replies to this board all day long.

Besides, it would create an implicit "no religion" rule in all the other threads, which would make the forum sort of communist.  Free speech should rule, with all its drawbacks. :-\
Whilst I am not entirely unsympathetic to the motivation behind soliloquy's recommendation here, I must agree with you and for pretty much the same reasons. It is true - and soliloquy knows and apprecaites it as well as you and I and, I imagine, quite a few others here - that all manner of threads on non-religious topics frequently get "infected" with largely or wholly non-pertinent religious and religion-oriented material from certain members and, this being the case, I really do not believe that the adoption of soliloquy's nevertheless understandable recommendation would actually achieve a real workable solution here.

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«Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 10:14:18 AM »
I'm sorry, soliloquy, I like you  ;D but I'm going to have to ruin your 100% statistic and say that creating a religion sub-board would not stop certain people from inserting religious themes into their replies.   And it would be a full time job for Nils to move all those replies to this board all day long.

Besides, it would create an implicit "no religion" rule in all the other threads, which would make the forum sort of communist.  Free speech should rule, with all its drawbacks. :-\

Though I of course agree with your logic, I believe your insane (or angry, perhaps, mais je crois que non) namesake would heartily disagree...

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«Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 02:54:23 PM »
It is true - and soliloquy knows and apprecaites it as well as you and I and, I imagine, quite a few others here - that all manner of threads on non-religious topics frequently get "infected" with largely or wholly non-pertinent religious and religion-oriented material from certain members and, this being the case, I really do not believe that the adoption of soliloquy's nevertheless understandable recommendation would actually achieve a real workable solution here.

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I would like to respectfully voice the opposing position that we are indeed capable of restricting our expression of religious sensibilities to a specifically designated "Religion Thread."

Why, just this morning, as I was quite deep in prayer, the Lord came to me in an odd way.  At first, I thought it was heartburn, then I realized I was feeling a wave of pure religiosity urging me to defend -- to the DEATH, if necessary -- the right of those who insist they can control their religious-posting impulses by confining them to a specific "Religious Thread."

In Ruminations II (3 - iv) it is said:  "Let those without the holy power to contain their Godly posts to a specific thread, be shorn of facial hair and deprived of entry into Paradise!"

Thus, it hath been written.  Thus it hath been quoted.

Er.  What was the topic? 
 
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«Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 06:57:08 PM »
anything but piano includes religion.  how about topics like 'i am about to kill  myself.' isn't that a fairly faith-based topic.  either you have nothing to live for (atheistic) and thus are tired of money and fame or didn't get enough of it - OR you live by faith and think that as long as you can do some good in the world - you won't do it.

now, beethoven, liszt, chopin, and many many other composers went thru many periods of 'spirituality' in one sense or another.  if you read biographies or autobiographies - it is a point of interest to note that the 'whole person' is usually talked about.  their philosophies, their approach to life AND music.

if you want to separate this into a subboard - then also include science (with and without God) and philosophy, and politics and sex.  possibly witchcraft and the occults as well.  people don't talk about everything on here because they feel usually that there are other boards with more information about that topic.  but, in terms of personal feelings and preferences and beliefs - why is religion singled out.  many people are religious.

i have not 'infested' threads about music with God - unless there is a specific question about faith or God in the messages right above where i post. in this case, i would say that it is not myself who has brought God into the thread.  but, of course, i am blasted for saying what i think about whatever the topic brings out.

mostly - i speak of God where life/death - abortion/no abortion - morality - spirituality questions have ALREADY been created a topic by someone else.  so...what do you have to say now?  btw, not everyone who posts on pianostreet actually plays the piano.  i suggest we also have a thread listing people who only come on this forum to argue about topics that are not music - and do not play the piano, do not teach piano, and frankly don't know much about theory or composition either.  so why do they come?  to argue philosophically?

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«Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 07:23:16 PM »

i mostly - i speak of God where life/death - abortion/no abortion - morality - spirituality questions have ALREADY been created a topic by someone else.  so...what do you have to say now? 

I say rubbish. You have managed to sneak God and Jesus into totally unrelated threads without any provocation at all. Please do not ask me to search through your 10 million posts to find evidence, because i have got better things to do.

I have changed my mind about a religion only board. I now propose a Pianistimo only board, where you can prattle on about your delusions until hell freezes over.

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«Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 08:04:39 PM »
you started this thread.  show me any THREADS - besides the 'relativity' one that i have started.

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«Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 08:14:12 PM »
Read my post woman.

I CANNOT BE BOTHERED.

This does not mean you are right, only that you have exhausted me with nonsense.

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«Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 08:41:47 PM »
it is only nonsense when it is disproven.

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«Reply #10 on: September 15, 2007, 08:52:28 PM »
You have done it and you know you have done it.

I am not going to waste my time proving what you already know to be the truth.

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«Reply #11 on: September 15, 2007, 09:33:31 PM »
i have not 'infested' threads about music with God - unless there is a specific question about faith or God in the messages right above where i post. in this case, i would say that it is not myself who has brought God into the thread.  but, of course, i am blasted for saying what i think about whatever the topic brings out.
But, Susan, you have - just look at some of the examples of thread topics that have no conceivable connection with religious issues but into which you have waded with your Biblical talk - there are plenty of them. I'm not suggesting that you've started such topics and then done this, but you have most certainly brought your particular brand of Protestant Christianity and Biblical babblings (or should that be Bablical bibblings - I'm no longer sure) into many a thread where they simply do not belong other than for you.

mostly - i speak of God where life/death - abortion/no abortion - morality - spirituality questions have ALREADY been created a topic by someone else.  so...what do you have to say now?  btw, not everyone who posts on pianostreet actually plays the piano.  i suggest we also have a thread listing people who only come on this forum to argue about topics that are not music - and do not play the piano, do not teach piano, and frankly don't know much about theory or composition either.  so why do they come?  to argue philosophically?
I hardly play the piano myself, but that's not the point at issue here. Many topics, whether they deal with musical matters or abortion matters or all sorts of other things just do not require the constant battling insistence of your Biblically-oriented presence and I think that this presence can risk offending those not only of no religious faith but also those of other religious faiths than your own. I have respectfully asked that you make more of an effort to desist from this kind of obsessive expression in contexts that do not require it and you have on occasion made certain promises in this regard (not to me, of course, but to the forum in general) but have failed to keep them.

You have indicated on occasion that I have referred to you and pole-dancing more often than you would have liked, yet I only ever do this to wind you up and in a spirit of good humour; you, on the other hand, go on and on about Biblical stuff as though our lives all depended on it and on precious little else - and I really do wish that you would stop.

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«Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 01:09:58 PM »
i feel our lives do depend on God.  that is why i get 'worked up about it.'  but, why would any religious person get 'worked up' in the first place.  maybe because many threads are started with the express purpose of 'bashing' religion?

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«Reply #13 on: September 16, 2007, 04:08:06 PM »
Not a single person, atheist or non, voiced an argument for making a separate religion sub-board in the Non-Piano board.

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,26055.0.html



So... go ahead please.

Give it up 8)

I would like to respectfully voice the opposing position that we are indeed capable of restricting our expression of religious sensibilities to a specifically designated "Religion Thread."

Why, just this morning, as I was quite deep in prayer, the Lord came to me in an odd way.  At first, I thought it was heartburn, then I realized I was feeling a wave of pure religiosity urging me to defend -- to the DEATH, if necessary -- the right of those who insist they can control their religious-posting impulses by confining them to a specific "Religious Thread."

In Ruminations II (3 - iv) it is said:  "Let those without the holy power to contain their Godly posts to a specific thread, be shorn of facial hair and deprived of entry into Paradise!"

Thus, it hath been written.  Thus it hath been quoted.

Er.  What was the topic? 
 

Genius 8)

i feel our lives do depend on God.  that is why i get 'worked up about it.'  but, why would any religious person get 'worked up' in the first place.  maybe because many threads are started with the express purpose of 'bashing' religion?

Ahm a religious person. Ah laugh at the attempts people make to bash religion. Ah also laugh at you for thinking it needs to be defended. Do us both a favor and keep quiet when it comes to your personal feelings about certain things. You are not helping. In fact you are turning away potential.

That's right pianistissimo. YOU ARE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM RELIGION BY SHOVING IT DOWN THEIR THROATS.

In a way, you are doing the devils work. Think about it. There is a time place and way of going about spreading one's religion. Think of all the souls lost and weary from your tireless preaching.

The kingdom of god is withing you all. Not in the bible. Not in a church. Not in a piece of bread that resembles the virgin Mary.

Find the kingdom within yourself. That is, you are the path to heaven within this hell we call life.

It might seem like ahm jabbing at you, Pianistissimo, but Ah haven't been to this forum in almost two months and the same thing is still going on.

Are you familiar with the definition of insanity?

It's repeating the same actions and expecting a different result. That one doesn't just go for pianistissimo. That goes for all of yous. Just leave it alone, or a least, go at it another way.

Tis très annoying. 8)
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«Reply #14 on: September 16, 2007, 04:10:16 PM »
i feel our lives do depend on God. 

Why don't you just worry about your life and let the rest of us worry about ours.

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«Reply #15 on: September 16, 2007, 06:45:00 PM »
Thal I'll do it, IE the wading through susan's posts.  I will pull up like 50, and then she'll just be like "everything is related to God.  This thread about fashion tips is a moral one, as God wants us to dress in his likeness. So says [insert gigantic bible quote, which is completely misinterpreted].  I hate homosexuals."


Btw, if you want to find that thread where it was about god knows what originally (I think like Iraq or the Beach Boys) and then she was just like "Homosexuality is a Sin" that'd be a good example until I can get on tonight and do a more in-depth post that'd be great.

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«Reply #16 on: September 16, 2007, 06:49:24 PM »
i feel our lives do depend on God.
You feel. But whose lives? Can you perceive a difference of emphasis there, Susan?

that is why i get 'worked up about it.'  but, why would any religious person get 'worked up' in the first place.  maybe because many threads are started with the express purpose of 'bashing' religion?
You're welcome to get as worked up about this as you like, but on many of the occasions when you have done it here, you have not thereby been contributing to threads that have been started with any intent of raising the subject of religion at all, either to bash it, praise it or say anything else about it.

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«Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 06:52:08 PM »
Thal I'll do it, IE the wading through susan's posts.  I will pull up like 50, and then she'll just be like "everything is related to God.  This thread about fashion tips is a moral one, as God wants us to dress in his likeness. So says [insert gigantic bible quote, which is completely misinterpreted].  I hate homosexuals."


Btw, if you want to find that thread where it was about god knows what originally (I think like Iraq or the Beach Boys) and then she was just like "Homosexuality is a Sin" that'd be a good example until I can get on tonight and do a more in-depth post that'd be great.
Why waste your time in so doing? I think that most of us already understand and accept the point that you are making here.

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«Reply #18 on: September 27, 2007, 08:06:47 AM »
Everyone except Pianistimo that is. She wont seem to accept it until she gets evidence.
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«Reply #19 on: September 29, 2007, 04:27:10 PM »
But if yo uhave a religion board, every time pianitisimo posts religious posts in non-religious threads, they will be banished to the religious ghetto.

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«Reply #20 on: October 11, 2007, 10:16:53 AM »
Well then everyone can steer clear of the "religious ghetto" and she will be talking to herself.
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