Hearing voices.

[zheer]

   Very recently my grandfather past away, now am not sure if this is normal but from time to time i hear his voice.Seriously this includes other people i know that have past away, they also appear in my dream, i  end-up having conversation with them.Could this be life after death. Anyway today i was walking through a cafe, i started hearing my grandfathers voice, like eaxactly the same.Sad i know.
   Anyone else been in this situation.

[thalbergmad]

I am sorry to hear of your sad loss old chap.

This happened to me when my father died and i was a little worried as i thought i might be suffering from some kind of mental illness. Doctors were useless, but i did go to see a psychic medium (my ex girlfriend) who was able to explain things to me.

I am a great believer in the afterlife and i see no reason why some form of contact is not possible. Some people are naturally receptive to this and others not, but it has happened to many people.

My family has a history of "sensitive" people as well as its fair share of nutters. I just happen to believe in the afterlife and the ability to communicate in some fashion with the deceased. Many people denounce it is rubbish, but personal experience can lead to different understandings.

Thal

 

[prometheus]

I sometimes think I hear someone calling out my name when I am half asleep.


It's an error in the brain.


If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. There are many people that hear voices and they have something like schizophrenia.

If you aren't well rested. Lack of sleep can make you hallucinate. Get rest.

So no; hearing voices is not normal.


Oooh, and if this is all in a dream then it's a dream so that's good. Enjoy sad dreams about dead loved ones.

[elspeth]

Much sympathy for your loss.

Hearing voices is a strange one... I have a similar view to Thal about the afterlife, it's certainly not something I'd ever rule out.

However, if it continues it might be an idea to talk to your doctor, just in case. Hearing voices isn't normal, but whether it's someone trying to talk to you or whether it's some form of hallucination is a tricky thing to get to grips with.

It is, however, a fairly well recognised phenomenon that your brain can conjure up the things that it 'expects' to hear or see. So if you used to go to that cafe with your grandad regularly, you have a strong association there and it would be an entirely explainable thing.

[rebby]

I am really sorry about your loss as well

yes i have to say though, i hear voices, not in my head all of the time but arounf me as well as if some one is stood next to me, or some where around me. At first i thought i was mad, but now i accept it as something that happens to me automatically.
I started hearing voices about three years ago about, when i was near the age of ten or so. I was scared at first, but like i said it is sort of normal now.

Hope that helps to know you have a friend in the world who knows how ya feel.

Rebby

[prometheus]

People people. You may all have your personal views. But it is a fact that hearing voices can he a symptom of a mental disorder. And there is no evidence for an afterlife while there is tons of evidence against it.

So when someone is a bit worried you just can't tell them that they are probably real voices from the afterlife.



Everyone dies. And life is not very long. These are things we have trouble with accepting. But in the end we just have to. Now given that this person is your grandfather and given your age I can say that your grandfather is a lucky person to have lived as long as he did.

When people die it's a big loss and they leave behind a lot of empty space in our lives. But when they have been able to see their grandchildren grow up I don't think it's inherently a sad thing.

Young people dying, not that is sad.

I don't mean you shouldn't grief or force yourself not to be sad. No, this is actually more aimed at those people who believe in an afterlife. They try to deny death because they have trouble accepting it. But death is real. Let's just accept it and let's not try to be too sad about it. To die means to have lived. And when you die over 75 or so, your death may as well be seen as a celebration of a long well lived life if not for the loss and the fact that those that still live have to go on without this person that they loved and cared about.

And then that person just stops existing in whatever form. No haunting restless ghosts.



Zheer, I wouldn't be worried at all right now, especially not about the dreams. But when it does not pass you may want to talk with a professional.

[zheer]

Zheer, I wouldn't be worried at all right now, especially not about the dreams. But when it does not pass you may want to talk with a professional.

  Yes thanks guys and garls for your help.


   Yes prometheus i have spoken to professionals in the past at Harly street London, and basicaly nothing wrong with my mind, though  have sufferd from post trumatic stress disorder ,though
not related to hearing voices.Tanx again,ciao.

[thalbergmad]

People people. You may all have your personal views. But it is a fact that hearing voices can he a symptom of a mental disorder. And there is no evidence for an afterlife while there is tons of evidence against it.

So when someone is a bit worried you just can't tell them that they are probably real voices from the afterlife.

Yes, it can be a symptom, but not always.

As for evidence, you might be interested in reading "The Scole Experiment". However, you might not.

When it comes to the afterlife, we are all in the "don't know" bracket. I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

Thal

[timothy42b]

Hearing voices is normally a symptom of mental illness.

But the weird part is that this is one of the exceptions.  It is common for people to hear voices of deceased relatives.   Yes, it is a hallucination, but a normal one. 

[G.W.K]

If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. There are many people that hear voices and they have something like schizophrenia.

If you aren't well rested. Lack of sleep can make you hallucinate. Get rest.

So no; hearing voices is not normal.

Oooh, and if this is all in a dream then it's a dream so that's good. Enjoy sad dreams about dead loved ones.

You can come across to be quite heartless at times can't you? Just because zheer hears voices or imagines he/she hears voices doesn't have to mean it is a mental illness!

G.W.K

[zheer]

he/she
G.W.K

  He.  It has stoped now.

[G.W.K]

OK.

Sorry. 

G.W.K

[chopininov]

Yes, it can be a symptom, but not always.

As for evidence, you might be interested in reading "The Scole Experiment". However, you might not.

When it comes to the afterlife, we are all in the "don't know" bracket. I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

Thal

I can disprove it. 1) Afterlife implies the existence of a soul. 2) The concept of soul's was created when religion was created. 3) So since soul's are religion's creation, and religion is man's creation, then soul=creation of man.

[leahcim]

Soul is music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying purely to find out 30 years later how much lovin' Joss needs.

[chopininov]

A soul is also something that one may buy (according to the Catholics).

[prometheus]

You can come across to be quite heartless at times can't you? Just because zheer hears voices or imagines he/she hears voices doesn't have to mean it is a mental illness!
G.W.K

I must say this is an extremely silly post. I never said he has a form of mental illness.

What I said is this, which you quoted exactly, after people started to talk about the afterlife: "If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. "


I would have considered it quite heartless if I hadn't done what I did. We have someone that had a symptom that is assosiated with with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia. Then we have someone bringing up religion. That could be extremely damaging.

I said that he shouldn't worry too much about it. I pointed out that sleep, or the lack of it, can have something to do with what was described. I don't know if I mentioned drugs but that seemed pretty obvious to me.



And even if I did conclude that he has a mental illness, what is heartless about that? Just because I conclude he has doesn't mean I want him to have it.

Of course me telling someone he has a mental illness without me knowing anything about the 'patient' and without me being qualified to do so is extremely bad. But not heartless in any way.

[rob47]

If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. Abomination perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Dune)

[timothy42b]

If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. Abomination perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Dune)

I'm surprised pianistimmo hasn't pointed out that this could also be demon possession.  Hee, hee. 

[zheer]

If this hearing voices is really a serious and strong thing, please do consider the possibility of a mental disorder. Abomination perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Dune)

  Charming.

[leahcim]

I would have considered it quite heartless if I hadn't done what I did. We have someone that had a symptom that is assosiated with with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia. Then we have someone bringing up religion. That could be extremely damaging.

I suspect it's tone. It's when you start post that starts "people people" and then attempt to to start a debate on what other people have said, rather than just giving your own reply.  It's a subject that you clearly aren't even close to being qualified to talk about ergo others then criticise you and your posts.

Yes, life after death is most probably nonsense. But, you still managed to get more wrong than right trying to say that. It seems fairly obvious that some are going to believe differently, you can't have been surprised to see those replies.

A quick google would have told you, from various informed sources, what Tim said, that hearing the voice of someone who has recently died is common.

Note the OP specifically asked "could it be life after death." Perhaps that will explain to you the great puzzle and mystery behind the subject discussed in the other replies he got? Even if you can't agree with their take on it they were asked to give it.

[prometheus]

People start to make claims about an afterlife and I am not 'qualified' when I tell someone that is specifically asking for 'help'/feedback/suggestions to consider getting professional help if the symptoms remain?


I never claimed there aren't people that don't claim differently than me on the afterlife. So I don't see what I got wrong.

The point is that telling someone that has hallucinations that they are real can be very very bad.



As for a link between the voices and the deceased family member, that was already expressed by the topic starter.

[leahcim]

People start to make claims about an afterlife...

If you'd looked more closely, [at worst, before you made this post, if not the original rant], rather than reacting, you'd probably have a more rational view of what was actually said to Zheer and what was said about an afterlife.

It's ironic perhaps, because all of this is already stated, as clear as day, in the thread, how you managed to invent something different when there were only 5 short posts, one of which you'd made before your rant.

Only one person talked about the afterlife at any length but only in terms of "personal experience" - it was hardly a claim since it accepted that a lot think it's rubbish. At no point did it suggest that what Zheer was hearing was real.

Another merely said they agreed with Thal about the afterlife and that they wouldn't rule its existence out [a position that isn't particularly illogically or irrational for anyone, who hasn't died before, to adopt. Even if your own views go further in dismissing it]

However, the rest of their post did nothing at all to even suggest to Zheer that he was really hearing a ghost, or that any "hallucinations" were real in any way. It didn't link the voices to the after life but instead specifically suggested the complete opposite - that your brain "can conjure up the things that it 'expects' to hear or see"

The only other "people people" to post before your rant were yourself [who, even before your rant, you managed unqualified nonsense like "it's an error in the brain" - Do you have the exact message and line number?] and lastly, someone who made no reference to an afterlife at all.

So, where exactly were all these people claiming, or even hinting, or glancing or getting at all close to perhaps risking being misunderstood by anyone that Zheer's voices were real and were in fact something to do with an afterlife?

Or perhaps you're hallucinating? Another issue with that erroneous brain of yours? In which case I shan't be bad and I shall tell you what you read isn't real. Lie down and put your head in a bucket of ice cold water for 3 hours a day until it stops.

However, that's moot - where you aren't qualified is to debate the symptoms, treatment or the diagnosis [or, for all 3, whether something is or isn't a symptom / treatment or diagnosis] of any mental health issue or any injury, "error" or otherwise of the brain or, thirdly, what you should or shouldn't feel, do or believe if someone close has recently died.

i.e you know nothing more about the subject than anyone that had posted before you did, or that has posted since. If you'd posted with that attitude, you probably wouldn't have prompted the criticisms.

[prometheus]

Now this is really starting to offend me.


People were talking about supernatural and religion. Zheer himself, Thalberg and rebby.

Unqualified nonsense? Just because I spoke in layman terms doesn't mean it's nonsense. And just because I am not a qualified psychiatrist doesn't mean everything I say is nonsense.

Obviously it is not. It is well known what effects being 'half asleep' can have.


Then you launch into a personal attack. What is your problem? I am helping this person to the best of my ability and then people come and attack me.

I merely said that people should just shut up about the supernatural nonsense because this is a serious topic and not some joke topic like all those others. And I told him to get professional advice or help if it didn't go away.

what are you rambling about about me making diagnoses and advising people about treatment?

I know nothing more than anyone else? How the hell do you know? I never claimed I did. But how can you know what I know? I might be a medice student. Or what what I said proves to you I don't have a degree in psychology. Even if one makes incorrect statements, which I didn't, it is still not impossible to be officially qualified.


So this is only about tone and attitude, which I also don't understand. And all this while I was one of the few with an actual serious considerate and compassionate reply. I remember thinking carefully about what I was going to post before I did for quite some time. Because, unlike most people on the internet, I can't really separate internet nicknames from real actual people.



And then there's this person calling me 'heartless' which is totally absurd. And then there's one other person, you, which sees an opportunity to attack me personally, probably because of past time grudges based on politics discussions, trying to intimidate and bully me. And yes, all in this topic where a person asks for our considerate help. And yes, doing this by making all kinds of bullshit and moot statements. Not to mention the red herring and ad hominem.

 
I am almost considering doing something I have never done before, reporting you to the moderator.

[thalbergmad]

I can disprove it. 1) Afterlife implies the existence of a soul. 2) The concept of soul's was created when religion was created. 3) So since soul's are religion's creation, and religion is man's creation, then soul=creation of man.

The concept of soul might have been created, but not the existance.

Thal

[leahcim]

People were talking about supernatural and religion. Zheer himself, Thalberg and rebby.

That's simply illogical and untrue. Clearly Zheer cannot have said something to himself that he shouldn't. Nor can his first post have prompted the "people people" rant, because you'd already replied to his post before in the thread. Of course he mentions it, because far from wanting people to "shut up about it", as you now claim you wanted people to do, he started a thread to talk about it.

I've already acknowledge what Thal /actually/  said [i.e nothing at all harmful to Zheer or telling him that hallucinations or voices were 'real'] besides once again you'd already posted after Thal and before your "people people" rant. In your 1st post you managed not to tell anyone to shut up, despite 66% of the posts that you're now saying were full of supernatural nonsense, were already there.

That leaves rebby's - but that post, of the 3 is one that makes absolutely no mention of an afterlife, the supernatural or religion at all. [There is one other that does, but my last post pointed out what that said]

As I said, there were only a few short posts. Why not read them?

I merely said that people should just shut up about the supernatural nonsense

As I've said before Zheer asked the specific question. Which part of that do you struggle to comprehend? Why are you so confused about it? If he starts a thread to ask about it, why post to tell him and everyone else to shut up about it? Even though it's clear they haven't actually said what you think they have? Perhaps you /should/ contact the moderator and ask for tips?

I know nothing more than anyone else? How the hell do you know?

From what you type and how you type it. It's in your posts [and mine and everyone else's]

Which far from "I might be a medical student, perhaps I'm really clever blah blah blah" Who are you kidding? You couldn't be one at all. Never. Not a chance. Not if you spend the next 30 years studying to get into a medical school.

I've read this forum and your posts for years and it's quite clear that you know practically nothing that google wouldn't tell you in more detail, on virtually every subject the forum has addressed over that time. So what? As I said, it's the specific way that you approach the forum.

I am almost considering doing something I have never done before, reporting you to the moderator.

Go ahead.

[thalbergmad]

I heard a voice today, whilst i was out cycling:

"get off the road you fat git"

Thal

[cmg]

I heard a voice today, whilst i was out cycling:

"get off the road you fat git"

Thal

 

Omigod, no!  That was ME in the car, Thal!  What I yelled to you -- as I was waving them out of the window was -- "Greig and Grofe scores for you:  a gift!"

Can't trust anything you hear these days.   

[leahcim]

I heard a voice today, whilst i was out cycling:

"get off the road you fat git"

I get all the drunks on the Canal when I'm cycling

"Shlow down. Itsh 4 milesh per hour"
"Err no mate, it's a bike, not a barge, it's 10mph on the path"
"No 4 milesh per hour...there'sh dogsh and people"
"People are jogging faster than 4mph...do you shout at them?"
"4 milesh per hour"
"In fact, I walk faster than that so I can't even get off and push..."
"4 milesh per hour...4 milesh per..."

The worst is when you're walking at night and you're day dreaming [at night?]  and then "HONK!" someone you know beeps their horn, and when you've gone "what" and look up, all you see as they go past is either 2 head lights or 2 red tail lights, it could be anyone, in any car.

[thalbergmad]

 

 That was ME in the car

I don't think so, it was some form of Essex blonde, collecting her ill disciplined brat from retard school in a chelsea tractor.

Ban all women drivers.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

I get all the drunks on the Canal when I'm cycling

Not even drunks would go near the now defunct Gravesend Canal which is part of my daily route. The local sewage processing plant keeps all at bay.

Also, the police training school might have something to do with it.

Thal

[chopininov]

The concept of soul might have been created, but not the existance.

Thal

Then you obviously missed the point of my post. A soul, just as religion, bigotry, and countries, is a human creation.

[pianowolfi]

The concept of soul might have been created, but not the existance.

Thal

Quite interesting Thal, quite interesting! 

[gilad]

The voices I hear are telling me they're hearing voices. I think they need help. I'm scared to go to anyone about it because they'll think I'm crazy.

[thalbergmad]

Then you obviously missed the point of my post. A soul, just as religion, bigotry, and countries, is a human creation.

You missed my point.

A soul does not need to be created by humans.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

You missed my point.

A soul does not need to be created by humans.

Thal

This is so cool, Thal 

[thalbergmad]

A bit deep for me baby, admittedly.

My investigations into the soul and reincarnation has been rather interesting.

Thal

[G.W.K]

I must say this is an extremely silly post. I never said he has a form of mental illness.

My apologies...it just appeared that you were inferring that zheer has a mental illness...

G.W.K