Keith Jarrett October 17 - 1988

[presto agitato]

In 1988 after recording The Well Tempered Klavier 1, Keith Jarrett decided to return with his solo live concerts.

October 17 - 1988 is one of the best piano performances ever. The concerto was recorded at the Salle Pleyel, in Paris, France in front of a live audience.

30 minutes of a neo-baroque theme followed by a dark and magical imporovisation

You can listen some samples in you tube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eVgkiVWeiSU

See you

[webern78]

Am i the only one who thinks Keith Jarrett is vastly over-rated? Just a tad perhaps?

[indutrial]

Am i the only one who thinks Keith Jarrett is vastly over-rated? Just a tad perhaps?

I agree with you there. Jarrett is indeed a fine player who brings a great vitality to the instrument, but I've also seen a great many lesser-known improvisers who could wipe the floor with him. Off the top of my head, Sten Sandell, Craig Taborn, and Marilyn Crispell are all far more satisfying improvisors who take more risks and try more avenues. Other jazz pianists like John Taylor, Stephen Oliva and Marc Copland bring a lot more to the table as well.

Jarrett's career would have probably been more interesting if he stuck to free improv and improved his lot in that realm. Since two decades or so ago, he's been drowning everybody in release upon release from his standards trio with Gary Peacock and Jack Dejohnette. They certainly play very well and the music is spirited, but it would have been nice to hear Jarrett challenge himself more in the past decade. The past 30 years has proven that jazz musicians who hang on standards and such are pretty much obsolete. Any sax player, pianist, or drummer who hasn't updated their sound and included newer music fashions is just being a stick in the mud.

[Petter]

I like Paul Bley

[indutrial]

I like Paul Bley

He's a lot more pleasing to listen to than Jarrett, and a lot less of an ***. The scandalous announcement he made at the Umbria Jazz Festival (before his set, no less) is a perfect example of someone whose ego is way out of control.

He also needs to grunt and moan less when he plays. Solo recordings of him always sound like a good pianist doing a duet with Michael Winslow.

[teresa_b]

I've heard that Jarrett is good with Bach, but really don't recall having heard him.  I have heard several of his recordings of Mozart concerti, and I hate them.

Teresa

[retrouvailles]

Keith Jarrett is vastly overrated on every account. His jazz improvisations are very substandard compared to other jazz musicians. His so called compositions don't leave a lasting impression on many people and aren't of the level of other "serious classical composers" today. As for his classical interpretations, they are pretty disgraceful from what I have heard.

[indutrial]

Keith Jarrett is vastly overrated on every account. His jazz improvisations are very substandard compared to other jazz musicians. His so called compositions don't leave a lasting impression on many people and aren't of the level of other "serious classical composers" today. As for his classical interpretations, they are pretty disgraceful from what I have heard.

I certainly agree with this. Off the top of my head I rather prefer pianists like John Taylor, Marc Copland, or Antonio Farao if I'm going to listen to lively and colorful jazz improv. If I want to hear good free-improv, I'll listen to Sten Sandell, Craig Taborn, Marilyn Crispell, or Borah Bergman. Jarrett is certainly an interesting player, and some of his wilder free improv recordings are really interesting at times, but his egomania and his over-reliance on standards and cliches is a little tiresome. As for his originals, I do enjoy his work from the 1970s with the American and European quartets and as a backing player for Miles and Kenny Wheeler. The past 20 years have turned him into an introverted jerk who's only willing to play alone or with his boring standards trio, which to me reflects badly on him as a jazz player. The best players in the improv world are usually open to playing in lots of different settings with lots of different players. Craig Taborn can be spotted playing on his own, in free-improv trios, in Tim Berne's psychotically-awesome electric groups, and in more standard settings like Dave Binney's Balance group or Chris Potter's Underground. A truely versatile amazing player. I've caught Mr. Taborn ripping it up 4-5 times in the NYC area and every time has been a spellbinding experience.

[Petter]

I like him

[thierry13]

October 17 - 1988 is one of the best piano performances ever.

You disgust me.

[lau]

You disgust me.

brilliantly stated.

i don't like jazz, improvisation, and excessive body movements...jarrett is pretty much everything i don't like.

[indutrial]

brilliantly stated.

i don't like jazz, improvisation, and excessive body movements...jarrett is pretty much everything i don't like.

Improvisation and jazz can both be great things if the musicians involved are creative enough to transcend the tendency to sound like one is wanking around. Jarrett is a notoriously over-self-satisfied wanker who rarely ever does anything bold.

Most improv is crippled by the fact that many improvisors have shoddy taste and a low threshold for venturing out of the box.

[thierry13]

brilliantly stated.

i don't like jazz, improvisation, and excessive body movements...jarrett is pretty much everything i don't like.

I do not either, but that is far from being the point. Jarett is far from having the skills of ANY decent classical pianist (wich is true for 99.9% jazz pianists), but what disgusted me the most was the fact that he called that one of the best piano performances ever. THAT is truly a disgusting statement. Worse than saying this:

 

is one of the sexiest women alive. Simply worse than that.

[indutrial]

I do not either, but that is far from being the point. Jarett is far from having the skills of ANY decent classical pianist (wich is true for 99.9% jazz pianists)

Lest we forget...

99.999% of classically-trained musicians (especially pianists) are worthless nobodies who will forever remain bitter about that fact and spend 30-50 horrible years angrilly teaching Twinkle Twinkle to 7-year-olds.

I've seen so-called 'jazz' players who are far better than some of the classically-trained oafs that strut around talking sh*t about improvisation and so on. Talent is talent, and it can lie in any number of places. Most people I've met who pregnant dog about improvised music are just annoying assholes who don't know how to improvise (and probably couldn't compose either) without making it sound like a hodge-podge of flashy classical riffs they've picked up over the years. While I'm not going to defend a jerk like Keith Jarrett, I can't agree that "any DECENT" classical musician is worth everyone's attention. The problem with the improv scene as a whole, just like the classical scene, is that a few over-rated lame-os make it easy to overlook the fact that there's hundreds of great musicians working under the surface, and making music that most stuffed-shirt classical snobs couldn't even comprehend.

[mephisto]

Lest we forget...

99.999% of classically-trained musicians (especially pianists) are worthless nobodies who will forever remain bitter about that fact and spend 30-50 horrible years angrilly teaching Twinkle Twinkle to 7-year-olds.

I've seen so-called 'jazz' players who are far better than some of the classically-trained oafs that strut around talking sh*t about improvisation and so on. Talent is talent, and it can lie in any number of places. Most people I've met who pregnant dog about improvised music are just annoying assholes who don't know how to improvise (and probably couldn't compose either) without making it sound like a hodge-podge of flashy classical riffs they've picked up over the years. While I'm not going to defend a jerk like Keith Jarrett, I can't agree that "any DECENT" classical musician is worth everyone's attention. The problem with the improv scene as a whole, just like the classical scene, is that a few over-rated lame-os make it easy to overlook the fact that there's hundreds of great musicians working under the surface, and making music that most stuffed-shirt classical snobs couldn't even comprehend.

What about trying to post something in wich you won't offend so many people, by  using kinder words.

There are great jazz pianists, and bad jazz pianists.
There are great classical pianists, and there are bad classical pianists.
There are jazz pianisst who are better than classical pianists, and there are classical pianissts who are better than jazz pianists. OR you see it from a post-modernistic point of, wiew they are all the same.

[Petter]

This is starting to sound like one of those youtube video discussions 

[indutrial]

What about trying to post something in wich you won't offend so many people, by  using kinder words.

I apologize if I come across too biting at times. I agree with the "po-mo" notion that the genre-subscription is b.s. and that we're all just musicians. I like to think of it in terms of composed and improvised, especially since a lot of so-called "jazz" musicians I've met spent many years studying classical composers like Webern, Bartok, Bach, and who knows what else. It's even moreso the case in Europe, where improvised music draws very heavily off of Europe's classical traditions. In the states, a lot of jazz guys become whole-sale-obsessed with bebop, stride, rag-time, standards etc... and I can understand how that spectrum of players can quickly get tiresome and samey. But there are way more guys who are pushing what used to be called jazz into new and incredible directions that verge into modern classical.

A recent example of note is Canadian saxophonist Quinsin Nachoff. Nachoff's last album, Magic Numbers, combined a sax-bass-drums trio with a string quartet to create some really awesome stuff.

[Derek]

I've found that Keith Jarrett, like most composers, has written a lot of good stuff, a lot of boring stuff, and a handful of things that will stay with me forever because they are so beautiful. I've mainly listened to his solo piano improvisations---my favorites are on Radiance, and his Tokyo 2002 concert (on DVD, some of the pieces were also included with Radiance).

He is THE ONLY mainstream artist I know of who improvises with intensity in styles that aren't really jazz and aren't really classical. I think that makes him stand out...nobody else does what he does. Show me ONE person who has achieved the same fame as a musician who does what he does, and does it as well....I have yet to find one (who is famous. I've met several who are not famous...some who post on this forum!) Not that fame matters. It is just that what he does is very uncommon amongst famous musicians. In fact, it really does seem more like something an introspective person would do in their living room...not something that would draw audiences. Being an established jazz pianist probably helped him do that..

[dnephi]

To be honest, I listened to the recording, and some of it was actually quite good.  Technically unimpressive, but there was some ingenious counterpoint.

Daniel

[thierry13]

While I'm not going to defend a jerk like Keith Jarrett, I can't agree that "any DECENT" classical musician is worth everyone's attention.

I NEVER said that any decent classical pianist was worth everyone's attention ... but they are for sure all better than all the Jazz pianists ! If you follow the logic, no Jazz pianist is worth anybody's attention  Now, I NEVER said any bad thing about improvisation itself. Jazz is simply not up to the classical standards in terms of the MUSIC itself. Maybe the artistry is there, but the actual musical quality, the TONE of jazz pianists OMG is SOOOO lacking. They are playing the notes and that's about it, with some rare non-legato articulation WOOOHOOO. The actual quality of the music sucks, the tone quality sucks, the artistic spirit is sometimes there tough, I give that to them ... but for the rest ...

[Petter]

Wow that has to be the most ignorant and arrogant thing I´ve read on this forum so far.
 

[engelbach]

thierry13 must be a hell of an unlucky person, being exposed to only the worst of everything.

More to be pitied than censured.

Keith's personality can be annoying to some people. But his to-the-point improvs on standard tunes are a lesson in economy and expressiveness.

Funny to hear some people here complaining that Keith's music is not "up to date." Neither is 99.9% of the classical repertoire.

[thalbergmad]

Wow that has to be the most ignorant and arrogant thing I´ve read on this forum so far.
 

Stick around, you will see worse.

[thierry13]

Wow that has to be the most ignorant and arrogant thing I´ve read on this forum so far.

If you're talking about presto agitato saying that this concert was one of the greatest piano performances ever, I fully agree with you.

[engelbach]

If you're talking about presto agitato saying that this concert was one of the greatest piano performances ever, I fully agree with you.

You, "thierry13," whoever you are, are either seriously disturbed and need help, or just a narcisistic, immature jerk.

You need remedial training on how civilized adults should relate to each other.

I just joined this forum, but if this is the level of communication I can expect, I won't be here long.

In contrast, I refer you to the respectful discussions on the AllAboutJazz forum, by the kind of professional musicians and serious students at whom you find it amusing to sneer.

https://forums.allaboutjazz.com

[thierry13]

You, "thierry13," whoever you are, are either seriously disturbed and need help, or just a narcisistic, immature jerk.

You need remedial training on how civilized adults should relate to each other.

I just joined this forum, but if this is the level of communication I can expect, I won't be here long.

In contrast, I refer you to the respectful discussions on the AllAboutJazz forum, by the kind of professional musicians and serious students at whom you find it amusing to sneer.

https://forums.allaboutjazz.com

I do not need training, and I do KNOW how "civilised adults" act with each other. If I didn't use this code, it is 1. a choice and 2.because presto agitato is not an adult, nor am I in certain countries(in mine I am). Now I'd like better to subscribe at 2 girls one cup that to subscribe at "all about jazz". About your first line of mindless insults (wich follows with a complain on how people write lines exactly like your first one) : I am not disturbed nor do I need help, and I am far from being narcisistic or immature. By your standards I may be a jerk tough, but definitely not a mindless and insignificant one.

[engelbach]

I do not need training, and I do KNOW how "civilised adults" act with each other. If I didn't use this code, it is 1. a choice and 2.because presto agitato is not an adult, nor am I in certain countries(in mine I am). Now I'd like better to subscribe at 2 girls one cup that to subscribe at "all about jazz". About your first line of mindless insults (wich follows with a complain on how people write lines exactly like your first one) : I am not disturbed nor do I need help, and I am far from being narcisistic or immature. By your standards I may be a jerk tough, but definitely not a mindless and insignificant one.

Either you don't understand the difference between (1) your gratuitous nastiness to other people on this forum and (2) my characterization of you based on that behavior, or you are being disingenuous.

Insults are rarely mindless. There's always a reason for them. Yours seem to come from some inner need to be offensive. Mine are a reaction to you.

[thierry13]

Either you don't understand the difference between (1) your gratuitous nastiness to other people on this forum and (2) my characterization of you based on that behavior, or you are being disingenuous.

Insults are rarely mindless. There's always a reason for them. Yours seem to come from some inner need to be offensive. Mine are a reaction to you.

You are still dragging yourself down to the level you find so offensive. You're no good. BTW the nastiness was launched by Presto Agitato. Presto Agitato said LOTS of stupid things, among others on the "impossible" difficulty of some works (wich are played very well by normal students every year), but the most nasty thing he ever said was that the concert he mentioned was one of the best piano performance ever. THAT is was I call gratuitous nastiness.

[Petter]

I just joined this forum, but if this is the level of communication I can expect, I won't be here long.

He just has his own personal crusade against jazz for unknown reasons. There is alot of relaxed open minded people here aswell. I wouldnt give up just yet.

[thierry13]

He just has his own personal crusade against jazz for unknown reasons. There is alot of relaxed open minded people here aswell. I wouldnt give up just yet.

HOOOO so now open minded means liking everything. Open minded is to understand everything and at least give a chance to everything, as for myself I studied jazz and had my exposure to jazz(I hear jazz every damn day I go to school...), does classes were very painful moments. The reasons are not unknown : it sucks. That's it. Now I agree with you that I am not relaxed when refering to jazz, as this thing stresses me to the highest point.

[Petter]

Whatever.

[ctrastevere]

Now I agree with you that I am not relaxed when refering to jazz, as this thing stresses me to the highest point.

In through the nose and out through the mouth...

[arensky]

I'm at 4: 21 or about halfway through the link. I'm getting sleepy, but not in a good way. Oh god, now he's sniffing. Thank god I can't seem him, he always looks like a constipated 5 year old trying to go  

6:21, what's that thunking? It woke me up, but it's annoying.

If I wanted to listen to Bach, I'd listen to Bach. If I want to listen to Bill Evans I listen to Bill Evans.

This is neither fish nor fowl.

BTW if this seems harsh, I often enjoy his playing, but not this. He's a self involved egomaniac, and this is proof of that. What a musical lobotomy.

And it sure ain't jazz.

[jazz-piano]

I like Keith Jarrett's playing. He is a great pianist.
Many musicians think he is vastly over-rated.
Jazz is a great musical genre with masterpieces and genius.
Many classical musicians do not know anything about compose or play not-written-music.
They can play nothing if they do not read a score. (obviously NOT ALL classical musicians).
I believe that many of them just move their own hands on a keyboard trying to produce a good sound.
(I am a degreed classical pianist).
According to me a real musician should compose or improvise his own music.
It also true that many jazz pieces cannot be listened because are terrible sounds with harmonic and melodic anarchy.
IMHO

[counterpoint]

It like Jarrett's Bach much more than Richter's.

The typical classical pianists seem always to emphasize the dark side of music: death, tragedy, sorrows.
But classical music is often very joyful, and I like Jarrets occasional disrespectfulness in view of classical "holy cows".

I'm not that interested in the sort of Jazz Jarrett plays.

[indutrial]

HOOOO so now open minded means liking everything. Open minded is to understand everything and at least give a chance to everything, as for myself I studied jazz and had my exposure to jazz(I hear jazz every damn day I go to school...), does classes were very painful moments. The reasons are not unknown : it sucks. That's it. Now I agree with you that I am not relaxed when refering to jazz, as this thing stresses me to the highest point.

I hate to rock your boat, but I'd venture to guess that a good portion of the jazz world that I'm interested in is not confined to your former conservatory and your "exposure" to jazz, which is probably comparable to a liberal arts major's average exposure to quantum physics.

You sound like this washed-up prog rock drummer who I knew for a few years at a music store I used to teach at. He used to rail on and on about what he deemed "jazz snobbery" and "jazz noodling" all the while blatently possessing no musical identity of his own whatsoever. Just another bitter musical failure looking for more sh*t to amplify his misery. I'll admit that I initially didn't get into jazz music, primarily because a lot of the local NJ jazz players acted grouchy and played the same old standards over and over, always bitching about how rough the scene was to stay afloat in, acting like a bunch of worn out has-beens. After delving into the NYC and European jazz scenes, however, I've met many very inspired players who have opened my ears to all sorts of new sounds and who play with some of the best feel and tone that I've heard. The problem with jazz, LIKE CLASSICAL, is that there are loads of areas where the scene just ISN'T HOT. Even as close to NYC and Philly as I am in Jersey, there are tons of music schools that churn out steady streams of uninspired musicians with bad attitudes who, in turn, play lackluster music. Most of the good players gravitate to cities like NYC and Chicago where they can interact with other interesting players. To my ears, the jazz/improv world has been improving in leaps and bounds since the 1960s and every year sees dozens of excellent records that continue to inspire my ears.

What befuddles me is how you're short-sighted enough to think that your personal experiences with jazz (which are not convincing at all since you just sound like a grouchy, pewling student) equals that jazz is bad and that it's just a lot of notes. You are (a.) not in any way aware of what's going on in the wider musical world, and/or (b.) too wrapped up in god-knows-what kind of personal issues to probably engage artistic phenomena without rushing to point your finger and talk trash.

[thierry13]

I hate to rock your boat, but I'd venture to guess that a good portion of the jazz world that I'm interested in is not confined to your former conservatory and your "exposure" to jazz, which is probably comparable to a liberal arts major's average exposure to quantum physics.

You sound like this washed-up prog rock drummer who I knew for a few years at a music store I used to teach at. He used to rail on and on about what he deemed "jazz snobbery" and "jazz noodling" all the while blatently possessing no musical identity of his own whatsoever. Just another bitter musical failure looking for more sh*t to amplify his misery. I'll admit that I initially didn't get into jazz music, primarily because a lot of the local NJ jazz players acted grouchy and played the same old standards over and over, always bitching about how rough the scene was to stay afloat in, acting like a bunch of worn out has-beens. After delving into the NYC and European jazz scenes, however, I've met many very inspired players who have opened my ears to all sorts of new sounds and who play with some of the best feel and tone that I've heard. The problem with jazz, LIKE CLASSICAL, is that there are loads of areas where the scene just ISN'T HOT. Even as close to NYC and Philly as I am in Jersey, there are tons of music schools that churn out steady streams of uninspired musicians with bad attitudes who, in turn, play lackluster music. Most of the good players gravitate to cities like NYC and Chicago where they can interact with other interesting players. To my ears, the jazz/improv world has been improving in leaps and bounds since the 1960s and every year sees dozens of excellent records that continue to inspire my ears.

What befuddles me is how you're short-sighted enough to think that your personal experiences with jazz (which are not convincing at all since you just sound like a grouchy, pewling student) equals that jazz is bad and that it's just a lot of notes. You are (a.) not in any way aware of what's going on in the wider musical world, and/or (b.) too wrapped up in god-knows-what kind of personal issues to probably engage artistic phenomena without rushing to point your finger and talk trash.

Your whole post is based on your non-existant knowledge of what I know/heard about jazz. I heard maybe even more than you since the jazz section at my college is huge. And those are all first-rate jazz musicians who later get into university in jazz performance. I think the same of the people at my school than those "great names" other people named like bill evans, keith jarrett, oscar peterson, etc. It's the same type and allmost the same quality of jazz. Of course they are students but pretty good ones(for jazz standards of course). If you want to expose to the kind of jazz you enjoy go ahead and surprise me with how better it is than oscar peterson art tatum bill evans and cie. If you can't then your whole post is completely irrelevant stupid and arrogant.

[indutrial]

Your whole post is based on your non-existant knowledge of what I know/heard about jazz. I heard maybe even more than you since the jazz section at my college is huge.

Are you truly arguing that your exposure to a single college's jazz program (no matter how large the school is) is somehow larger than my several years of regularly attending jazz gigs in the NYC, Brooklyn, and Philly scenes. Even when I was in college, I never hinged my jazz listening on the lackluster players from my school's music program. It was much better to hop on a train and check out a gig in downtown NYC or Park Slope, Brooklyn where you could find an excellent jazz performance pretty much any given night. I've seen numerous great gigs with musicians like Craig Taborn, Marilyn Crispell, Marc Copland, Frank Kimbrough, Edward Simon and Myra Melford (I'll stick with listing pianists here, though I like numerous players on all of the instruments). Just Friday night, I was out of town checking out a four-set gig in Brooklyn where a bunch of improvising musicians were holding an impromptu tribute concert for a saxophonist who was hospitalized.

You might want to consider leaving campus once in a while. Even if you've physically graduated and moved elsewhere, it's painfully obvious that your head is still stuck back at the university. After you retreive that, you can go back to your high school and grab your maturity.

[thierry13]

Are you truly arguing that your exposure to a single college's jazz program (no matter how large the school is) is somehow larger than my several years of regularly attending jazz gigs in the NYC, Brooklyn, and Philly scenes. Even when I was in college, I never hinged my jazz listening on the lackluster players from my school's music program. It was much better to hop on a train and check out a gig in downtown NYC or Park Slope, Brooklyn where you could find an excellent jazz performance pretty much any given night. I've seen numerous great gigs with musicians like Craig Taborn, Marilyn Crispell, Marc Copland, Frank Kimbrough, Edward Simon and Myra Melford (I'll stick with listing pianists here, though I like numerous players on all of the instruments). Just Friday night, I was out of town checking out a four-set gig in Brooklyn where a bunch of improvising musicians were holding an impromptu tribute concert for a saxophonist who was hospitalized.

You might want to consider leaving campus once in a while. Even if you've physically graduated and moved elsewhere, it's painfully obvious that your head is still stuck back at the university. After you retreive that, you can go back to your high school and grab your maturity.

Your post still is empty in value because you are STILL assuming the things at my college are bad/not varied or w/e. I asked you to post better jazz if you could and as I see it, you simply CAN'T since you didn't even MENTIONED that I asked you for better jazz. You are pityful. You are the most pure rubbish until you post some "good" jazz that will (according to you) be so much better than anything else I heard that I will have to like it : go for it, I'm waiting.

[counterpoint]

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[retrouvailles]

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Best post in the whole thread.

[counterpoint]

Best post in the whole thread.

sorry, not by intention   

[indutrial]

Your post still is empty in value because you are STILL assuming the things at my college are bad/not varied or w/e. I asked you to post better jazz if you could and as I see it, you simply CAN'T since you didn't even MENTIONED that I asked you for better jazz. You are pityful. You are the most pure rubbish until you post some "good" jazz that will (according to you) be so much better than anything else I heard that I will have to like it : go for it, I'm waiting.

yawwwwwwnnnnnn..... whatever. I only listed about half a dozen pianists whose music is easily available from most stores and download resources. Pardon me if your incredibly affable attitude hasn't inclined me to post music from my collection for you. Besides, if you're too f**ked up to find good music on your own, you probably don't deserve to hear it. That's probably a good thing. The last thing a respectful audience ever needs is another malcontent psycho with personality defects that will ruin everyone else's good time. You can wait as long as you want and rot for all I care.

Did you learn to argue from this guy:

[i heart xenakis]

Did you learn to argue from this guy:

Nope, this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/user/John11inch

Give him time, he is still learning :O


Either way, I'm putting some smackdown on this Kieth Jarrett vid on YT:

I don't feel a need to comment here because I believe my views are being adequately expressed there

[indutrial]

Nope, this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/user/John11inch

Give him time, he is still learning :O

Either way, I'm putting some smackdown on this Kieth Jarrett vid on YT:

Good for you... As if trolling people on this forum wasn't enough.

[i heart xenakis]

Good for you... As if trolling people on this forum wasn't enough.

I don't troll people.  People attempt to troll me and I subsequently cockslap them.  To troll someone would mean I would have to care enough to follow them around into threads they're in and harass them.  I don't think I've ever harrassed anyone who didn't bother me first, but please, prove me wrong.

[indutrial]

I don't troll people.  People attempt to troll me and I subsequently cockslap them.  To troll someone would mean I would have to care enough to follow them around into threads they're in and harass them.  I don't think I've ever harrassed anyone who didn't bother me first, but please, prove me wrong.

Some life you lead....verbally bullying adolescent pianists and being a pretentious and worthless annoyance to everyone else. It's not worth anyone's effort to try and prove anything about you whatsoever, since, to me, you're just some guy who's worked way too hard to become King Hard-on in a god-damned piano forum.

Whether you're a by-the-book troll or not, who cares. All semantics and verbal olympics aside, you're just a creep who's probably failed so badly at real life that you over-assert yourself at every chance in a place where you can continuously hide behind your anonymity.

I'll check back tomorrow to see another one of your painstakingly pedantic list of my failings in response to this post.

Now get back to the Keith Jarrett videos on Youtube. I'm sure you have lots of sarcastic posts to write that will interest nobody and make the internet more of an intellectual sewer.

[i heart xenakis]

Please stop trolling me.

[indutrial]

Please stop trolling me.

Stop trolling the earth.

[i heart xenakis]

Stop trolling the earth.

I'm not trolling anybody, with the possible exception of Kieth Jarrett   I am simply sharing my opinion in an assertive manner (and God forbid anyone but you should have an opinion, much less the stomach to be verbal about it), and it happens to be in opposition of your own opinion.  You have then proceeded to harass me and call me and/or liken me to, and I shall list:

Nazi
Closet-Case
Pretentious
Worthless
Annoying
Creep
Failure
Pedantic
Egomaniacal
incapable
insane
unsuccessful
Worm
stupid
and a four year old who shits in the tub (my personal favorite)


You are the troll.  Can't you see?  You are wasting your time attempting to deal with me in this fashion; it is entirely disadvantageous to you, and infinitely advantageous to me.  You need to take a step back and review the situation.  Right now you are playing my game, which you have admitted you can not win.  Yet you continue?  And along the way, you attempt to speak down towards me for "trolling" when I'm not even trolling at all, and you are.  Right now.  Your next response, unless it is either a concession or an apology, will be trolling.  I personally suggest a concession, because we both know trolls refuse to apologize so that's out of the question.  And everyone here knows you ARE going to respond.  It is in the nature of a troll not to be able to tell when s/he is defeated.