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music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
on: April 05, 2008, 07:29:51 PM
 :P
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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #1 on: April 05, 2008, 11:04:40 PM
(shakes head)

Bob. . . .



. . . . don't.


~Ess~
"A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it has a song."
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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 01:36:46 AM
What?   I want to know.


Just place it all in hear musicrebel.  (Bob holds up container.)  We can hold it all in here on this thread.

If you want me to read it, keep it very, very short.  Bite size pieces. 
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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 02:14:28 AM
Thank you, Bob!

Everything for you!
Let's begin with visual presentation:
Here I am just after immigration to the USA in 1995. Fat and depressed. No papers, no money, no rights to work in the USA. No idea how to speak English, to drive a car, how to feed my 9-year-old daughter.
I was working for free as a volunteer in a private Montessori school. Coming at 9 AM - leaving at 6 PM. 'Creasy Russian woman': my goal was to learn English and ... psychology of toddlers. Regardless of the situation I kept working on my personal research (from 1976)

Another picture is made almost 10 years later. After working out in gym, being Music Director in Montessori schools system and being able to say (and write) couple of sentences in English.

Here you can see more of my pictures:
https://public.fotki.com/lenkaolenka/

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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 02:52:06 AM
Oh boy.  Goodie, goodie.  Be still my beating heart.

So you're foreign, huh?  Not quite so good with the English right?  I remember some foreign exchange kids from way back in school.  Good times, good times. 
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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 03:06:31 AM
Oh boy.  Goodie, goodie.  Be still my beating heart.

So you're foreign, huh?  Not quite so good with the English right?  I remember some foreign exchange kids from way back in school.  Good times, good times. 

Let's explore more…
Here is my child's picture
And one more time… the same picture…. In Herzen  State University (St Petersburg, Russia) for teachers and music education, where they thoroughly study my system.
Maybe, they are so serious about my system, because I SPAM a lot? Who knows…


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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 03:18:09 AM
Here the very first article about my research in the USA.
Year 1997.
https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/1997/03/10/smallb6.html
I borrowed some money from my friends ( $150) and purchased my Yamaha keyboard. I was driving my $500 old Honda from one day care center to another teaching kids to play piano and … continuing my personal research: WHAT IS WRONG WITH MUSIC EDUCATION.
My daughter was in car with me. Sometimes, when she had cold, schools administrators didn't let her in. So, she was running fever and sleeping in my car on parking lot. I had no choice – she had no too. Thank goodness, Texas is a very warm state. She didn't freeze to death and I had enough money to pay all the bills and to keep up with my research.
 

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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #7 on: April 06, 2008, 03:48:08 AM
Yeah, I hate when the kids freeze in the car.  That sucks.  Esp if you have leather seats.

Keep the posts short.  I'm not going to those articles.  Long articles to much.

What is your background in music rebel?  Russian studies?  Who did you study with?
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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 04:00:13 AM
Looks like she didn't freeze.

Is that the $150 Yamaha in there too?

And a review in a business journal?  You know those Houston business guys know their stuff.  One of them even became President.


Have you tried actually sending your stuff out with informative emails to people?  Just find some email lists and start cranking out those emails.  That will help get the word out too.
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Re: music rebel's disccusion/advertisement thread
Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 04:12:11 AM
Yeah, I hate when the kids freeze in the car.  That sucks.  Esp if you have leather seats.

Keep the posts short.  I'm not going to those articles.  Long articles to much.

What is your background in music rebel?  Russian studies?  Who did you study with?

Bob, u started it - u read it.
In Russian we say: don't tell me what to do and you won't hear where you should go.
Here is my resume
-https://www.doremifasoft.com/abhehi.html

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 04:49:42 AM
Yeah, I did read the article.  There's not much there.  I see where they were going with it though.  Music cuts in the public school -- private places pick up the slack.  That's what I was seeing too.

In the US, there is the philosophy that all kids can learn, so I think that will fit right in.  I have seen anyone forcing anyone.

And you're in Texas.  Texas has NASA money.  Good schools.  Lots of support for the arts.  Makes sense to have lots of prep music schools around.

And it sounds like you started with a teacher who was used to teaching adults.  That's true everywhere.  Some people are better for college.  Some better with little kids. 

Sounds like you didn't quite get along with the music teachers during your start.  And that's motivating you to teach.

And you think everyone can learn, and it looks you're comfortable with doing kids' premusic lessons along with piano teaching.  Early music classes.  It's not piano, so they don't need a piano.

So... how much money are pulling in?  How's business going?  How much do you charge for lessons?  How much do you make in a year?  That sort of thing.
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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 05:05:13 AM
Yeah, I did read the article.  There's not much there.  I see where they were going with it though.  Music cuts in the public school -- private places pick up the slack.  That's what I was seeing too.

In the US, there is the philosophy that all kids can learn, so I think that will fit right in.  I have seen anyone forcing anyone.

And you're in Texas.  Texas has NASA money.  Good schools.  Lots of support for the arts.  Makes sense to have lots of prep music schools around.

And it sounds like you started with a teacher who was used to teaching adults.  That's true everywhere.  Some people are better for college.  Some better with little kids. 

Sounds like you didn't quite get along with the music teachers during your start.  And that's motivating you to teach.

And you think everyone can learn, and it looks you're comfortable with doing kids' premusic lessons along with piano teaching.  Early music classes.  It's not piano, so they don't need a piano.

So... how much money are pulling in?  How's business going?  How much do you charge for lessons?  How much do you make in a year?  That sort of thing.


Oh, I though it is not polite to ask these question  ;D
At first I taught for free ( as I already stated)
Then $10 per hour
         $30 per hour
         $50 per hour

But... all the money I make are going to support my research: paying for programmers, business trips, free teacher's trainings etc

I have no investors, sponsors or sugar dadies.
My life style is pretty simple and my daughter is in community college
But...
Every day I wake up with hope that one day my invention would be understood and it would help people all around the globe to become musically literate. It helps me to keep going. But sometimes I am very ready to give up. Too much pressure, too much pain, too much misunderstanding.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 05:14:53 AM
TV appaerences in the USA:







TV in Russia:







There were many TV stories about my invention in other countries, but this is what I collected so far

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 05:17:17 AM
Recommendation letters:

A soloist of Moscow State Academic Philharmonic Society
A full member of Russian National Academy of Natural Science
The president of Yuri Rozum International Charitable Foundation
A national artist of Russia

Yuri Rozum
https://www.yurirozum.com
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September 15, 2006.
To whom it may concern:

First time I learned about 'Soft way to Mozart' was in April of 2006. I've always been interested in the latest inventions in the field of music education. I think that the primary music education needs reform. It is far from providing successful music learning for the majority of children by losing students in elementary classes of music schools. We are not only losing future musicians, but, above all, we are losing educated music listeners. In addition, what a loss for those people for whom the beautiful world of music remains unknown.

After I learned the key features of the 'Soft Mozart' computer system, I had a chance to see how this method worked with my 9-year-old daughter. Previously, she didn't want to hear about music lessons with the traditional approach. However, now she is learning piano successfully and with great pleasure using this system.

I want to say the following:


1. The program 'Soft Mozart' does not conflict with classical approaches of music learning. In fact, this program is a 'missing link' of traditional music education filling the lack of visual support during the first steps of acquaintance with the space of piano keys and musical notation.

2. The program 'Soft Mozart' brilliantly uses the computer for creating the interactive learning of music as a language. The student is able to play a musical composition with one hand while listening to the part of the other hand being played automatically. Then, the student is able not only to see one's own mistakes in the performance of a musical score, but make corrections without the teacher's help. Finally, the student is able to memorize easily a music piece without anybody's assistance while still controlling its correctness. The student starts fluent music reading from the first lessons. This is far from a full list of all advantages and benefits that the system can give to every beginner.
3. This program is a break-through approach because with its help any person, regardless of his or her talent, can learn how to read the music score and play the piano (or other keyboard instruments) with both hands and all ten fingers. This is important for development of music ear, memory, and for the sake of pleasure to learn music.
4. The turned sideways 'primary presentation' of a musical score with color-coded pictures allow students to cope with reading and coordination problems in balance. This is an original 'ABC book' of music.
5. The gradual transformation of a musical score from the 'primary presentation' to the traditional presentation allows any student to understand the musical notation easier and faster.

Any use of 'Soft Mozart' system can substantially relieve the work of music teachers during the classes of piano, theory, or solfeggio. Because the computer takes care of the routine development of basic skills, it spares the teacher's time and energy for more complicated professional and artistic tasks.

I recommend using this system not only for music institutions, but also in daycare centers, schools and any organizations that are related to the upbringing and cultural education of children. In addition, this system provides inestimable advantages for home music practice.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #14 on: April 06, 2008, 05:21:19 AM
Victoria Lopez Meseguer
Vicedean of the Conservatorio
Profesional de Musica Joaquín Turina de
Madrid
wrote:

To whom it may concern:

I write this letter to strongly recommend SoftMozart
as a wonderful method for teaching music. And I speak
of music and not only of piano because Softmozart
helps setting the foundations of not only piano
fundamentals but also ear training, internal rhythm,
harmony and music memory.
I find it my obligation to be alert of new
possibilities for my piano students. I teach all
levels but I am specially concerned about the
beginning of education. First, because I am convinced
that the younger the student, the better the teacher
should be. Not only in the psychological approach but
also because of the fact that one needs to have the
final goals so clearly as to not introduce anything
that could be a learning burden for a student in the
future. After all, music learning is a spiral method.
We teach the same concepts again and again and the
only difference is the context, the music piece that
the student plays.
On the other hand, there are many methods that
captivate the student at the beginning but makes them
face a dessert after a year or two. I am thinking of
teaching methods that provide the student with no
reading grounds. Most of these students quit when they
find themselves having to read what they think they
can play by imitation.
I also find my obligation to dive into the real XXI
century, meaning that the students of today deserve
the possibilities that the rest of the curricula offer
to them: technology.
I was startled to know the results of the
investigations of Rauschen in 1997 where he compared
the results in spatial-temporal outcomes of a group of
children who had taken piano lessons, a group of
children that had taken computer lessons and a group
of children who had taken no special lessons appart
from traditional school subjects.The study found that
those receiving piano lessons indeed scored 34 percent
higher on tests measuring spatial-temporal ability.
Then followed the children who had received computer
training.
Well, SoftMozart combines these two trainings.
To start with, children just stick to the piano no
matter how young. I have seen three year old children
waving goodbye to their parents without even looking
at them as they left and begging for more after their
lesson. And this is a very good start for any teacher.
In respect to the advantages of the method I would
like to highlight:
7. It doesn’t interfere at all with my traditional
teaching. The teacher has a reason to exist with
constant indications about fingering, hand position
and relating concepts from one piece to another.
8. The chosen pieces are also “traditional”. Bastien,
for example, is one of the most famous methods in
Spanish Conservatories.
9. Fruit Lines and Guess Note are two games that also
help train absolute ear. After more than twenty years
of teaching I have found no better method for this.
The child constantly listens to the sound of a note
with no boring sensation because he thinks he is only
playing with a video console game when in fact he is
receiving constant listen-recognise feedback about
absolute pitch. Some children just respond to sound.
To be able to recognise these children at so early
stages is an invaluable tool for a teacher. Any other
method to work these that I can think of would involve
an active respond from the child, and we all know that
the shiest children can be the best hidden artists.
10. Note duration makes rhythm not only a mental
process from the mathematical point of view but also a
fast muscular responding process, as it should
eventually become in the future for any pianist. The
child thinks and feels the rhythm and it is hard to
tell what comes first.
11. Small children can spend years in music movement
lessons before starting piano in traditional teaching.
Now I see no reason why they should wait for so long
before playing piano, provided the piano keys weight
is appropiate for their muscles.
12. With respect to Gentle Piano these are the rest of
the advantages I see:
a. The vertical disposition of the staves compared to
the horizontal simply mean that what is on the right
is on the right and what is on the left is on the
left. This sounds absurd but the fact is that with
traditional teaching a piano students needs to face
orientation indications that contradict natural laws.
Some parents are concerned with this fact (so what
will happen when he faces a “normal score”?). I just
press a key on the computer and the students faces the
“normal score”. And the student just plays because he
also recognises his favourite toy if we turn it
around. The important fact is that he has understood
in a natural way the direction of the music on the
score and the direction of the same notes on the
piano.
b. Some traditional teachers say “ok, but art has
nothing to do with this”. My answer is always the same
one. Your first obligation is to teach the student how
to read and now the linguistics. Your second
obligation could be letting him read a best seller or
take his hand and dive him into Shakespeare. Well, I
don’t know of any Language teacher who wouldn’t
appreciate all this help in teaching their students
how to read. This can only result in having spare time
for the “artistic process”.
c. The evaluating process is an instantaneus thing.
The competition is not with the teacher. The teacher
doesn’t correct things as “not a do or a fa but a mi”.
The teacher can teach and correct other more important
things and doesn’t need to accompany with words every
sound of the piano. After all we keep telling our
students that music and silence go together. The fact
that the teacher is in your team and that the
competition is IN the computer, is another pedagogical
approach that I find invaluable.
d. Group individual teaching. That is another
advantage. I can switch from one to another many times
in a very short lapsus of time. This allows me to make
a correction without directing it to the child that
needs it. I speak aloud and all of them listen to it
but the one that needs it is the one that understands
it better.
e. The fact that the creators of this method keep
upgrading the software and are always ready to listen
to suggestions and keep in touch with the teachers who
use it is really important for me. I wish I could say
the same thing for other creators of software that I
use for only Solfegge training. I have found myself
using the songs of SoftMozart in the traditional
layout for solfegge singing. The child first reads and
sings the piece with the solfegge notes and then
learns it on the piano.

I can only recommend SoftMozart for any teacher
willing to have an invaluable aid in teaching what for
so many people is the reason to not have continued
with piano education: boring approaches or just the
intrinsic difficulty in beginning of the learning
process.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #15 on: April 06, 2008, 05:32:30 AM
Seminars and method in different countries

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #16 on: April 06, 2008, 05:35:30 AM
More photos

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #17 on: April 06, 2008, 05:40:36 AM
Articles

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #18 on: April 06, 2008, 05:48:56 AM
Norway

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #20 on: April 06, 2008, 07:15:39 AM
This has worked a lot better than the Thalbermad vs. Ahinton thread...
h lp! S m b dy  st l   ll th  v w ls  fr m  my  k y b  rd!

I am an imagine of your figmentation.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #21 on: April 06, 2008, 02:43:36 PM
Wow.  Lot of stuff.  I guess it's hard to argue with the Russians.  That many people, all doing the same thing.  What could ever go wrong?

That's a lot of information. 

Uh, uh.... Pianochick has placed her 666th on this thread.  What if that's a sign?

Most people here won' be able to read it unless it's in English though.



So, the basic gist of your system.  Disregarding all the history.  Is that it's an early music training program, computer software, uses colors and happy stuff, and flips the grand staff on its side right? 
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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #22 on: April 06, 2008, 03:08:55 PM
This is actually a good thread because the topic is about what the title is about.  People expect to be reading about Musicrebel's idea, and those who come hear will be reading it because they want to, or if they want to look it up they know by the title where to look.  Everything's in once place - nice.

It was nice looking through all the information.  It was good to read the positive tone.  I'm the kind of person who doesn't spend time looking at what is wrong with the world.  I prefer to see what good ideas are out there, and what people are doing in a positive way.  Nice photos, btw.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #23 on: April 06, 2008, 03:27:12 PM
More pictures:

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #24 on: April 06, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
Kids and teachers from different countries.
Russia, State music school #5 Tomsk
https://dmsh5.tomsk.ru//galary/index.php?id_group=Презентация%20программы%20"Soft%20Mozart"

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #25 on: April 06, 2008, 04:00:27 PM
My Spanish little students

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
Would it be safe to say that you love working with kids?   :)

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Reply #27 on: April 06, 2008, 04:53:32 PM
Would it be safe to say that you love working with kids?   :)

No  ;)
I have to work with kids because I am providing my research and have to check some datas in order to develop program in the most effective way. For some reason they like me, but I am too strict with them and treat them like grownups.

On the pictures are not my students, but students of my trainees - Soft Mozart teachers.
I have many of them. Some you may find here:
-https://www.doremifasoft.com/pianoclasses.html

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Reply #28 on: April 06, 2008, 05:09:35 PM
Looks like she didn't freeze.Is that the $150 Yamaha in there too?

I think, you didn't get it  ;D
It is NOT  my daughter on the picture. It is a presentation of my system in St Petersburg (Russia) and there picture when I was a child on a projector. I don't know the young lady on the picture, never had a chance to meet her in person and have no idea how much YAMAHA cost in Russia

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And a review in a business journal?  You know those Houston business guys know their stuff.  One of them even became President.

Presidents are coming and going, but Soft Way to Mozart will stay forever  ;)
One day somebody would ask:
- Who was George Bush?
And the answer would be
- Oh, it was some president who happen to be from the same time and place where Soft Way to Mozart was invented.


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Have you tried actually sending your stuff out with informative emails to people?  Just find some email lists and start cranking out those emails.  That will help get the word out too.

I write personal letters to educators, journalists, people in charge for music education, but they mostly too busy to answer and pay attention to what I write.

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Reply #29 on: April 06, 2008, 05:14:44 PM
No  ;)
I have to work with kids because I am providing my research and have to check some datas in order to develop program in the most effective way. For some reason they like me, but I am too strict with them and treat them like grownups.
In my experience children like being treated like grownups.  They take themselves serious too.

Do you prefer working with adults then, if you are in a pure teaching relationship?

In the development of your program, however, I seem to understand that your passion is children, because this is where you see the failings, and where effective teaching can take place at an impressionable age.  Do your studies not involve child development and child pedagogy?

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Reply #30 on: April 06, 2008, 06:17:31 PM
In my experience children like being treated like grownups.  They take themselves serious too.

Yes! I think that every child is unique individual and don't use 'sweet talking' with them.

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Do you prefer working with adults then, if you are in a pure teaching relationship?


All my preferences depend from stages of my research: if I need to find out more about teaching toddlers, I can't wait to see them on my lessons. If I have to check some points in teaching adults or even educators, I am finding any opportunity to do so.

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In the development of your program, however, I seem to understand that your passion is children, because this is where you see the failings, and where effective teaching can take place at an impressionable age.


1.   My passion is people. I want them to appreciate life in its fullest, but without music it is half of the life.
2.   I know that without 'hand on experience' music comprehension would never be adequate. I also know that 'hand on' experience has to start from piano – instrument of multiple voices.
3.   I know that without ability to sight-read notes from Grand Staff   people would never be able to enjoy and value music as a language. It means that all currently running in different countries lessons 'ABOUT MUSIC' is a waste of time, money and efforts of people.
4.   I know that being deprived from music literacy with all the spare time and boredom kids turn into drugs and fell into depression. Some of them taking guns and kill others.
5.   I know that one day Soft Mozart is going to be in every school, childcare center and household. Quality of life and education would change for better everywhere in the world. People would be able to read music sheets like they read books
6.   I know that music is a language of our souls. If people would be literate in it they would have better souls. They would become more compassionate to each other. It would be no war, poverty, unfairness, nationalism, and racism.
7.   I know that music makes people smarter. If we teach all music literacy, next generations of people would be better then ours. Maybe, better understanding of the world with help of music would bring better understanding in science and we finally would be able to solve a lot of problems.
8.   I know that the deeper and healthier roots of any tree – the topper its branches. Universal music literacy will make music education flourish and it would bring more great composers, performers and will make music teachers more appreciated.

This is what I want more then anything else: I want 'Moonlight Sonata' that we had sent into space as a sample of our human's achievement would always remain alive – not as a ring of mobil phone and not like a dried leaf from last season.  I want new composers to come and create new masterpieces and I want them to be popular and appreciated by masses. I don't want to see symphony orchestras and operas begging for money EVER! I want pop music became again at least as advanced as pieces of Beatles or King Krimson. 
And I also want people from different countries could understand each other through the language of music.
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 Do your studies not involve child development and child pedagogy?


My study involves everything that concerns music as a language and our ability to perceive it.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #31 on: April 06, 2008, 07:31:38 PM
Presidents are coming and going, but Soft Way to Mozart will stay forever ;)
One day somebody would ask:
- Who was George Bush?
And the answer would be
- Oh, it was some president who happen to be from the same time and place where Soft Way to Mozart was invented.

I write personal letters to educators, journalists, people in charge for music education, but they mostly too busy to answer and pay attention to what I write.

Man, you sure do write a lot musicrebel.  A lot.  I'm amused. 

Yeah, who's that Bush guy anyway?  Soft Mozart forever!  (Or until technology changes again, whichever comes first.)


I'm not really seeing anything revolutionary here though.  It just looks like an elaborate early music teaching set up.  With some type of software.

Aren't you going to tell us prices of the software?  Is it... $19.95 by any chance?

A lot of writing though.  Man.  Is this an elaborate sales pitch?  Or...  You're not related to pianistimo are you musicrebel?

And why 'rebel?'  I'm not seeing anything new here.  Of course everyone can learn more about music. 

It does look like you'd be set to write a philosophy of music education paper here.  Plenty of ability to write that. 

The ideas just seem very basic. 

I'm still amused. 

And a plant needs water to grow right?  Of course.  So let's water those plants!

I'm just wondering what musicrebel is posting here for.  Probably advertising I'm thinking, or maybe honing down some ideas.

From what I saw on the site, it's just what would sell to a parent.  Maybe not the software, but the early music program.  Happy, educational, and with some philosophy and 'research' thrown in.  I'm thinking musicrebel must have been held down by the "Russian Man." 

This kind of reminds of that Russian guy who was posting about his new breakthrough in practicing.  Something about playing each note until it sounds perfect and then going on to the next note.  Oi...

I should start calling my stuff research.  I guess I'm researching chords right now.  That's my research interest.

It does show though that all the soft people skills works.  Keep promoting 'music for everyone' and enjoying music.  People go for that.
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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #32 on: April 06, 2008, 07:40:11 PM
Musicrebel, have you tried writing to the President to tell him about this wonderful revoluationary software?  I think you should do that.  He needs to know.  They can tack it in No Child Left Behind.   "No Child Left Behind.. Soft Mozart!"  I can see it now. 

Can you tell us more about your product?
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Reply #33 on: April 06, 2008, 07:42:54 PM
I went through some of the programs.   There is more to it than first seems and the simplicity is deceiving.  I'm not up to writing an analysis - maybe another time.  

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Reply #34 on: April 07, 2008, 02:30:11 PM

Yeah, who's that Bush guy anyway?  Soft Mozart forever!  (Or until technology changes again, whichever comes first.)

Bob, I also amused! You started the thread and wasting your time in the topic with no understanding of it)))  What technology changes can do with our invention? We didn't invent computers, pianos with MIDI, digital pianos or MIDI cables. We invented the 'ABC', 'picture books', 'chapter books' and 'novel' formats for music notation. It would work with ANY technology, like letters, pictures and numbers.

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I'm not really seeing anything revolutionary here though.  It just looks like an elaborate early music teaching set up.  With some type of software.

Where did you look?

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Aren't you going to tell us prices of the software?  Is it... $19.95 by any chance?

You always doing appraisal before trying the goods?

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A lot of writing though.  Man.  Is this an elaborate sales pitch?  Or...  You're not related to pianistimo are you musicrebel?
What is pianistimo?

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And why 'rebel?'  I'm not seeing anything new here.  Of course everyone can learn more about music. 

It does look like you'd be set to write a philosophy of music education paper here.  Plenty of ability to write that. 

The ideas just seem very basic. 

I'm still amused. 

And a plant needs water to grow right?  Of course.  So let's water those plants!

I'm just wondering what musicrebel is posting here for.  Probably advertising I'm thinking, or maybe honing down some ideas.

From what I saw on the site, it's just what would sell to a parent.  Maybe not the software, but the early music program.  Happy, educational, and with some philosophy and 'research' thrown in.  I'm thinking musicrebel must have been held down by the "Russian Man." 

This kind of reminds of that Russian guy who was posting about his new breakthrough in practicing.  Something about playing each note until it sounds perfect and then going on to the next note.  Oi...

I should start calling my stuff research.  I guess I'm researching chords right now.  That's my research interest.

It does show though that all the soft people skills works.  Keep promoting 'music for everyone' and enjoying music.  People go for that.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #35 on: April 07, 2008, 03:06:20 PM
Musicrebel, have you tried writing to the President to tell him about this wonderful revoluationary software?  I think you should do that.  He needs to know.  They can tack it in No Child Left Behind.   "No Child Left Behind.. Soft Mozart!"  I can see it now. 

I wrote to President numerous times. They answered that I have to deal with government of each state individually. Practically, all this correspondence goes around and around. Nobody wants to take responsibility or even take a close look at the invention.

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The core of the invention I described on the following videos:




You also can download demos of almost all the programs:
-https://www.doremifasoft.com/dopr.html
You shell click on each icon and at the bottom of each page you find FREE DOWNLOADS

There are 2 programs that require connection of your digital piano/keyboard to your computer: GENTLE PIANO AND GUESS KEY.

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Reply #36 on: April 07, 2008, 03:08:21 PM
I went through some of the programs.   There is more to it than first seems and the simplicity is deceiving.  I'm not up to writing an analysis - maybe another time.  

I wish you would be able to try Gentle piano and Guess Key ( program that require MIDI connection of piano with computer)

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Reply #37 on: April 07, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
More pictures of teacher trainings.
Moscow. Seminar for music educators. Had been provided by my trainee.

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Reply #38 on: April 07, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
Moscow

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #39 on: April 07, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
I wish you would be able to try Gentle piano and Guess Key ( program that require MIDI connection of piano with computer)

I would certainly be curious.  However, I don't have that kind of piano.  Also, while I'm curious, I can read music. 

My needs as a student are primarily the physical action of playing, so that I can create the dynamics that I want effectively.  This requires feedback and guidance from a teacher and that is not something that this software will give me. 

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Reply #40 on: April 07, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
I would certainly be curious.  However, I don't have that kind of piano.  Also, while I'm curious, I can read music. 

My needs as a student are primarily the physical action of playing, so that I can create the dynamics that I want effectively.  This requires feedback and guidance from a teacher and that is not something that this software will give me. 

Dear Keypeg,

'I can read music' could be in very different stages.
What music? How fluently can you read it? How accurate with notes and timing? All these different aspects are very important!

Here is a sample of music that we have in our program. Would you be able to read it on a fly?

My point is: if you CAN read such a piece fluently, then you need Master classes to improve everything else.

Remember, I referred everybody in this forum to a video of a guy, who taught himself to read practically anything? With this experience most of the time he is capable to figure out the rest: dynamics, character, artistic playing.
   

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #41 on: April 07, 2008, 04:42:55 PM
Musicrebel, my biggest need is the physical training in playing the piano: how to sit, how to move my fingers, hands and arms.  I do not need masterclasses, although at masterclasses teachers will get at the root of something, and often that does go back to the basics.  but as far as actually playing the piano effectively as a purely physical act I would rank my needs at the beginning stages.

I actually did print out your excerpt and sat at the piano to play it.  I suppose that it must be a heady experience for someone who has never played piano before to be playing all those fancy looking notes. That's the kind of notation that people find intimidating.  It is a very good thing if they can get over that phobia and be able to play a piece like this.  Your program is rendering a good service.

To answer your question - Yes, I can play this music.  It has chord-like patterns that I picked up in an instant because of the way I learned music as a child.  Thank you for the opportunity to play the beginning of a lovely piece of music.

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #42 on: April 07, 2008, 09:39:06 PM
Is that music in 4/4 time?

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #43 on: April 07, 2008, 11:37:15 PM
Is that music in 4/4 time?

Yes!
You may listen to the piece here:
-https://www.doremifasoft.com/operaandballet.html

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Re: music rebel's discussion/advertisement thread
Reply #44 on: April 08, 2008, 12:15:42 AM
If I had sound on this computer, I could!   :(

How do I understand the very last left hand measure: a whole note slurred to a quarter note which adds up to five beats?  I end up playing it as a dotted half note with the quarter.  Or is that other note a new voice coming in underneath?  But it is slurred.  That is why I asked about the time signature.

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Reply #45 on: April 09, 2008, 03:47:44 AM
It's on beat four, I'm pretty sure.  It's a little hard to see with the resolution.

The recordings are MIDI.  So-so quality.  It's just basic MIDI.
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Reply #46 on: April 09, 2008, 04:05:42 AM
It's on beat four, I'm pretty sure.  It's a little hard to see with the resolution.

The recordings are MIDI.  So-so quality.  It's just basic MIDI.

Yes, it's just basic MIDI

Once we receive a call from a woman. She wanted to by a CD with all our pieces  ;D
- It sounds so great - she sayed
- Ma'm, you may find much better performance! - I answered
- But who plays in your site? - she asked
- Computer, ma'm

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Reply #47 on: April 09, 2008, 04:24:18 AM
More pictures from teacher trainings and seminars.
St. Petersburg. Herzen University and piano studios in the USA

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Reply #48 on: April 09, 2008, 04:25:12 AM
It's on beat four, I'm pretty sure.  It's a little hard to see with the resolution.

The recordings are MIDI.  So-so quality.  It's just basic MIDI.
I have no sound.
Can you hear whether that last whole note (F) in the left hand is 4 beats long?  Is it joined by the D quarter note that comes in the 3rd beat as harmonizing note?  Or does the F slur into the D (becoome the D)  like I see the slur in the screen shot?

I was in vited to see if I could play the music so I printed it out and brought it to the piano.  If the F slurs into D then I have 5 beats in a 4 beat measure.  I can't figure out what I'm seeing because it's not clear.

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Reply #49 on: April 09, 2008, 12:21:47 PM
I think it's a whole note A with an F down there on beat 4.
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