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Topic: Which piano pieces cotains samples of wholetone scale runs and octatonic scales?  (Read 5252 times)

Offline Petter

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Debussy and Messiaen, maybe Ravel? But what pieces? Anyone know?
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Well, there's plenty of whole tone in Debussy of course. And Thelonius Monk starts off his solo version of Ruby My Dear with a descending whole-tone run.

Octatonic, what would that be? What notes?

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Half/whole diminshed scales.
 Know any partical debussy piece? Iīm ashamed to admit I havenīt listened much to his music. 
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I liked this subject a whole lot better when it was listed under "Performance."
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I liked this subject a whole lot better when it was listed under "Performance."

What about this topic? No one looks here though...
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Cloches ā travers les feuilles

Images Book II

Pretty much a counterpoint study in the whole tone scale. I love this piece....

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Half/whole diminshed scales.
I still don't know what that is, pardon my ignorance. What notes please?

Offline Petter

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Cheers, Piano_Ant, much appreciated

I still don't know what that is, pardon my ignorance. What notes please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octatonic_scale

These scales, I should have called them whole/half I guess.
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Oops, yeah, I should have recognized the name, Stravinsky used them a lot. Try looking at his Sonata, though I couldn't say offhand if he uses them in it.

Or the piano arrangements of Petroushka or Rite of Spring.

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There's a really simple piece called "The Bear"
I forgot who wrote it.
If you're just trying to get familiar with it
Also, Storms on Saturn in Faber book 2, I think
both are based on whole tone scales.

Octotonic?  I don't know about that one!

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There is a passage in Liszt's first Mephisto Waltz which has a difficult octatonic run in both hands, it is at the end of the Poco allegretto e rubato section, before the next Presto.  Actually octatonic figurations aren't that uncommon relatively speaking in Liszt, because the notes make up interlocking diminished chords, and Liszt was the prince of diminished chords.

Walter Ramsey


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