Rachmaninoff Concertos (Read 4859 times)

chozartmaninoff · « on: July 15, 2008, 09:02:25 PM »

Does anyone know of a UK company that sell orchestral backing Tracks, Mainly of the Rachmaninoff Piano concert 1 in F# Minor Number 2 in C minor and no.3 in D minor

Thanks

Mike

thalbergmad · «Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 09:12:34 PM »

I have used music minus one myself. Don't know if it is a UK company, but they are widely available from UK outlets.

I can see that the 2nd concerto is available, not sure about 1 or 3.

Thal

dnephi · «Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 09:26:39 PM »

I'm sure you will play these magnificently, especially since they're your first concertos.

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 09:29:12 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 15, 2008, 09:12:34 PM

I have used music minus one myself. Don't know if it is a UK company, but they are widely available from UK outlets.

I can see that the 2nd concerto is available, not sure about 1 or 3.

Thal

Is there anywhere thats isnt $40 or £20 per track???

Thanks for your reply thal

Mike

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 09:33:43 PM »

Quote from: dnephi on July 15, 2008, 09:26:39 PM

I'm sure you will play these magnificently, especially since they're your first concertos.

Sarcasm?

dnephi · «Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 09:39:26 PM »

Yea. I don't know how many times people have joined this forum and started posting about the Rachmaninoff concerti, and the vast majority of them are people who haven't had formal training or who have been playing for a few months to a year. I assumed that you were one of such. If not, I apologize.

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 09:45:18 PM »

Quote from: dnephi on July 15, 2008, 09:39:26 PM

Yea. I don't know how many times people have joined this forum and started posting about the Rachmaninoff concerti, and the vast majority of them are people who haven't had formal training or who have been playing for a few months to a year. I assumed that you were one of such. If not, I apologize.

I accept your applolgie. I have been playing for about 18 years, just never though of playing a concerto, Im a grade 8 pianist, and 6 theory. Pieces i have performed on stage are "La campanella" "Liszt Unsospiro" Chopin etudes, Scriabin etudes etc etc.

Next time dont just assume things, Its quite rude to do so and shows a lack of personality (Well a good one anyway) Im sure your a nice person, But really dont judge people when you know nothing of them, simply ask a question, For example - "The Rach concerto's are hard pieces both musically and technically, how long have you been playing?" or somthing less insulting.

But like i said, no hard feelings appologie accepted.

Mike

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 09:47:13 PM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 15, 2008, 09:45:18 PM

I accept your applolgie.

Please ignore the spelling mistake its late for me

Mike

thierry13 · «Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 10:06:27 PM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 15, 2008, 09:45:18 PM

Im a grade 8 pianist, and 6 theory. Pieces i have performed on stage are "La campanella" "Liszt Unsospiro" Chopin etudes, Scriabin etudes etc etc.

You think that makes you ready for the rachmaninoff concerti ?

They're not only 10 times longer and 10 times more complicated, but they are also 10 times harder than what you played. You're not ready for a rachmaninoff concerto if you're still in the grade system ...

thalbergmad · «Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 10:30:50 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 15, 2008, 10:06:27 PM

You think that makes you ready for the rachmaninoff concerti ?

The poor man has not even said he is going to play the bloody things and has not made a claim that he can do so.

Why all the crap??

Thal

thalbergmad · «Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:32:26 PM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 15, 2008, 09:29:12 PM

Is there anywhere thats isnt $40 or £20 per track???

I doubt it, they is not cheap.

Thal

thierry13 · «Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 10:38:53 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 15, 2008, 10:30:50 PM

The poor man has not even said he is going to play the bloody things and has not made a claim that he can do so.

Why all the crap??

Thal

Do you not see the evidence?

thalbergmad · «Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 11:02:26 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 15, 2008, 10:38:53 PM

Do you not see the evidence?

I appear to have missed it old chap.

But does it really matter if he is going to try to play somthing that he might not be ready for, just for the sheer fun of it?

Thal

mephisto · «Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 11:25:12 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 15, 2008, 10:06:27 PM

You think that makes you ready for the rachmaninoff concerti ? They're not only 10 times longer and 10 times more complicated, but they are also 10 times harder than what you played. You're not ready for a rachmaninoff concerto if you're still in the grade system ...

STOP BEING RUDE!

mikey6 · «Reply #14 on: July 16, 2008, 12:57:33 AM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 15, 2008, 10:06:27 PM

You think that makes you ready for the rachmaninoff concerti ? They're not only 10 times longer and 10 times more complicated, but they are also 10 times harder than what you played. You're not ready for a rachmaninoff concerto if you're still in the grade system ...

ok, you're saying that the Rach concertos which are played by virtually every renowned pianist are more 10 TIMES more difficult than the Liszt etudes regarded as some of the hardest in the entire repertoire and the Chopin etudes which renowned pianists have mentioned they are afraid of playing in concert???

thierry13 · «Reply #15 on: July 16, 2008, 06:50:03 PM »

Quote from: mikey6 on July 16, 2008, 12:57:33 AM

ok, you're saying that the Rach concertos which are played by virtually every renowned pianist are more 10 TIMES more difficult than the Liszt etudes regarded as some of the hardest in the entire repertoire and the Chopin etudes which renowned pianists have mentioned they are afraid of playing in concert???

The level of difficulty of a piece for a student and the difficulty of a piece for an accomplished performing artist are two different things. For a student, a grade 8 one that is, rachmaninoff's concertos are way way way ahead of la campanella and chopin etudes.

thalbergmad · «Reply #16 on: July 16, 2008, 08:15:09 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 06:50:03 PM

For a student, a grade 8 one that is, rachmaninoff's concertos are way way way ahead of la campanella and chopin etudes.

Undoubtedly, but that should not prevent anyone from having a go and enjoying doing so.

Regretfully, we are not all as gifted as you and some of us amateur 3rd rate hacks approach works that we have no chance of playing but revel in the challenge.

Thal

dnephi · «Reply #17 on: July 16, 2008, 08:17:04 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 06:50:03 PM

The level of difficulty of a piece for a student and the difficulty of a piece for an accomplished performing artist are two different things. For a student, a grade 8 one that is, rachmaninoff's concertos are way way way ahead of la campanella and chopin etudes.

I disagree. I'm sure that the Chopin Etudes are harder to put together, bar per bar, although the only issue with Rachmaninoff becomes the sheer stamina.

rob47 · «Reply #18 on: July 16, 2008, 08:52:17 PM »

didn't richard_black just write "Aha! The Oracle farts again!" or something?

why was this hilarious comment deleted

thierry13 · «Reply #19 on: July 16, 2008, 09:12:27 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 16, 2008, 08:15:09 PM

Undoubtedly, but that should not prevent anyone from having a go and enjoying doing so.

Regretfully, we are not all as gifted as you and some of us amateur 3rd rate hacks approach works that we have no chance of playing but revel in the challenge.

Thal

Hey there, I remind you that I didn't reply to the original post. I reacted to his argumentation with dnephi : he tried to say he was ready to play them well, and backed himself with the pieces he had allready performed. I only said that his "accomplishments" were far from being of the level of the rachmaninoff concerti. I was only reacting to his argument, not to his desire of playing them.

dnephi · «Reply #20 on: July 16, 2008, 09:14:40 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 09:12:27 PM

Hey there, I remind you that I didn't reply to the original post. I reacted to his argumentation with dnephi : he tried to say he was ready to play them well, and backed himself with the pieces he had allready performed. I only said that his "accomplishments" were far from being of the level of the rachmaninoff concerti. I was only reacting to his argument, not to his desire of playing them.

Actually, that was sarcastic, making fun of the stereotypical people who say "I've played Fur Elise, can I play Rach 3??"

thalbergmad · «Reply #21 on: July 16, 2008, 09:31:43 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 09:12:27 PM

he tried to say he was ready to play them well

I cannot see this.

Is it in another thread?

Thal

thierry13 · «Reply #22 on: July 16, 2008, 10:08:01 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 16, 2008, 09:31:43 PM

I cannot see this.

Is it in another thread?

Thal

Dnephi told him he would not be able to play them well. He tried to prove him wrong. Does that make not trying to prove he could play them well ?

thierry13 · «Reply #23 on: July 16, 2008, 10:15:45 PM »

Quote from: dnephi on July 16, 2008, 09:14:40 PM

Actually, that was sarcastic, making fun of the stereotypical people who say "I've played Fur Elise, can I play Rach 3??"

Haha yeah, I was aware of that.

tds · «Reply #24 on: July 16, 2008, 11:10:01 PM »

leave chozart alone. i am going to learn rach 6. flame me

thalbergmad · «Reply #25 on: July 16, 2008, 11:12:43 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 10:08:01 PM

He tried to prove him wrong. Does that make not trying to prove he could play them well ?

No, it don't.

He just advised what he could do.

Thal

dnephi · «Reply #26 on: July 16, 2008, 11:25:36 PM »

Quote from: tds on July 16, 2008, 11:10:01 PM

leave chozart alone. i am going to learn rach 6. flame me

I wud pay u money to do that.

Off-topic, I've heard the 2nd symphony transcribed into a concerto.

thierry13 · «Reply #27 on: July 16, 2008, 11:26:37 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 16, 2008, 11:12:43 PM

No, it don't.

He just advised what he could do.

Thal

In response to dnephi. You understand in the second paragraph of his post that he wanted to prove him wrong.

thalbergmad · «Reply #28 on: July 16, 2008, 11:31:02 PM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 15, 2008, 09:45:18 PM

Next time dont just assume things, Its quite rude to do so and shows a lack of personality (Well a good one anyway) Im sure your a nice person, But really dont judge people when you know nothing of them, simply ask a question, For example - "The Rach concerto's are hard pieces both musically and technically, how long have you been playing?" or somthing less insulting.

You mean this paragraph?

thierry13 · «Reply #29 on: July 16, 2008, 11:43:37 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 16, 2008, 11:31:02 PM

You mean this paragraph?

Yes, obviously.

tds · «Reply #30 on: July 16, 2008, 11:51:54 PM »

Quote from: dnephi on July 16, 2008, 11:25:36 PM

I wud pay u money to do that.

yeah but maaaybe tis 2 ezy for me. his 2nd symphony that gets transcribed for solo piano perhaps feels riter

thalbergmad · «Reply #31 on: July 17, 2008, 02:42:55 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 11:43:37 PM

Yes, obviously.

So where was he trying to prove him wrong?

thierry13 · «Reply #32 on: July 17, 2008, 03:18:34 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 17, 2008, 02:42:55 PM

So where was he trying to prove him wrong?

"Next time, don't just assume things." That means what he assumed wasn't right in his case. What did he assume? That he couldn't play them well. Not everything has to be written literally.

thalbergmad · «Reply #33 on: July 17, 2008, 03:23:07 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 17, 2008, 03:18:34 PM

"Next time, don't just assume things." That means what he assumed wasn't right in his case. What did he assume? That he couldn't play them well. Not everything has to be written literally.

You are assuming that is what he meant.

Only the person who wrote that would know. You don't.

Thal

mephisto · «Reply #34 on: July 17, 2008, 04:24:58 PM »

Chopin, Liszt and Scriabin etudes are in many ways much more difficult than Rachmaninov's 1st piano concerto.

And if they weren't anyone who wants to try his hands at Rachmaninov should just do that.

cherub_rocker1979 · «Reply #35 on: July 17, 2008, 05:09:24 PM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 15, 2008, 09:45:18 PM

I accept your applolgie. I have been playing for about 18 years, just never though of playing a concerto, Im a grade 8 pianist, and 6 theory. Pieces i have performed on stage are "La campanella" "Liszt Unsospiro" Chopin etudes, Scriabin etudes etc etc.

Next time dont just assume things, Its quite rude to do so and shows a lack of personality (Well a good one anyway) Im sure your a nice person, But really dont judge people when you know nothing of them, simply ask a question, For example - "The Rach concerto's are hard pieces both musically and technically, how long have you been playing?" or somthing less insulting.

But like i said, no hard feelings appologie accepted.

Mike

Well, the Rachmaninoff concerti are well above Grade 8 level so good luck.

cherub_rocker1979 · «Reply #36 on: July 17, 2008, 05:12:51 PM »

I will say that the original version of the Rach 1 is substantially less technically demanding than the revised version, which is the one that is commonly played.

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #37 on: July 18, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 15, 2008, 10:06:27 PM

You think that makes you ready for the rachmaninoff concerti ? They're not only 10 times longer and 10 times more complicated, but they are also 10 times harder than what you played. You're not ready for a rachmaninoff concerto if you're still in the grade system ...

You cannot judge ones playing without hearing it. You dont know what i am ready for and what i am not. Maybe i cannot play it maybe i can but i will give it a damn good try afterall piano is about fun and not strict rules that all must obide by.

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #38 on: July 18, 2008, 08:52:10 PM »

Quote from: thalbergmad on July 16, 2008, 08:15:09 PM

Undoubtedly, but that should not prevent anyone from having a go and enjoying doing so.

Regretfully, we are not all as gifted as you and some of us amateur 3rd rate hacks approach works that we have no chance of playing but revel in the challenge.

Thal

Spot on thal !!!!

It doesnt matter what level the pianist is - Besides i do know how difficult they are. But you can never not play a piece just because a few people think you shouldnt, Piano is about fun and enjoyment and if you cant learn a piece then you cant but that shouldnt stop you

Mike

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #39 on: July 18, 2008, 08:56:47 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 16, 2008, 09:12:27 PM

Hey there, I remind you that I didn't reply to the original post. I reacted to his argumentation with dnephi : he tried to say he was ready to play them well, and backed himself with the pieces he had allready performed. I only said that his "accomplishments" were far from being of the level of the rachmaninoff concerti. I was only reacting to his argument, not to his desire of playing them.

I did not say i was "ready" to play them, i simply made the point that someone who does not know someone else should not ever tell someone they cannot!!!! I believe i am ready to have a try at the piece yes, but no where did i mention i would prevail. Even if my attemp was only 20% of what it should be it wud be my 20% to be proud of. An if you wanted to make a point, they are taken in much more when you are not rude about it. A simple "maybe your not ready" or somthing would have done just fine

Piano is fun, and if you take it seriouly then more fool you.....I belive somthing that is a pleasure should be treated as one.

Good old saying - Nothing nice to say - DONT SAY IT .....unless asked for

Mike

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #40 on: July 18, 2008, 08:58:02 PM »

Quote from: tds on July 16, 2008, 11:10:01 PM

leave chozart alone. i am going to learn rach 6. flame me

You have been FLAMED!!! hehe

thierry13 · «Reply #41 on: July 18, 2008, 09:01:47 PM »

I never said you weren't ready to play it. I said that your past accomplishment were far from being good enough to make you ready to play the rach concertos. Did I say I believed you listed all your accomplishments? Not at all. I just said that by the ones you listed, that proves nothing. People who couldn't touch the rach concertos did the same things. That's the only thing I said. If you're ready or not, only your teacher knows ... I hope you have one if you are attempting those monsters. Good luck.

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #42 on: July 18, 2008, 09:06:03 PM »

Quote from: thierry13 on July 18, 2008, 09:01:47 PM

I never said you weren't ready to play it. I said that your past accomplishment were far from being good enough to make you ready to play the rach concertos. Did I say I believed you listed all your accomplishments? Not at all. I just said that by the ones you listed, that proves nothing. People who couldn't touch the rach concertos did the same things. That's the only thing I said. If you're ready or not, only your teacher knows ... I hope you have one if you are attempting those monsters. Good luck.

Yes i understand what you were trying to say !!! but it was the way u said it Very Rude, Pushy and mostly arrgoant........No where at all did i say i was ready to play or even if i could......The guy said to me something like he was sick of people who had been playing 6 months to a year saying the were going to play - I then told him i had not been playing that time i have been playin 18 years and listed the pieces that i have played to basically say i am not a beginner trying to play big pieces. I know how hard the concertos are believe me. But its about having fun, enjoying life and suprising even yourself. Now i dont know where u got that i was trying to prove i could play them, maybe u ready far beyond the lines.

tds · «Reply #43 on: July 19, 2008, 03:57:17 AM »

Quote from: chozartmaninoff on July 18, 2008, 08:58:02 PM

You have been FLAMED!!! hehe

like gentle kisses

chozartmaninoff · «Reply #44 on: July 19, 2008, 01:00:39 PM »

Quote from: tds on July 19, 2008, 03:57:17 AM

like gentle kisses