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Offline mikey6

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All Encompassing Pianist(s)
on: July 21, 2008, 02:16:43 AM
I have the idea that no pianist can play everything equally well.  I was trying to think of someone who could and can't.
I guess it's going to come down to subjectivity.  Examples-
Argerich and Richter playing Mozart don't go for me.
Can't imagine Brendel playing Messaien
Perahia playing Prokofiev
Horowitz...well, I don't really like Horowitz so....It's subjective as I said  ;D
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 04:29:12 AM
I have the idea that no pianist can play everything equally well.

I agree, every artist has their strong points and weak points. But the greatest artists are good at everything. The fact that they are great artists means they can pick and choose what they want to play, so they gravitate towards what they like, which is usually their strong points. They didn't get to be great artists by putting their bad foot forward.  ;)

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 I was trying to think of someone who could and can't.
I guess it's going to come down to subjectivity.

I can't, and it usually does. We all like what we like.

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 Examples-
Argerich and Richter playing Mozart don't go for me.

I enjoy both of them in Mozart, although it isn't what we've been taught to expect from a "correct" (what's that?) Mozart interpretation. Richter's Mozart d minor Concerto is my favorite recording of that work and Martha's K.576 is masterful, as is her (not Mozart but close)  Beethoven 1st Concerto.

But if I had the chance to see either of them in a Concerto I would want to hear them in Prokofiev or Rachmaninov, hear the full range of their playing and hear them; well, really tear it up.  :) I heard Andre Watts play Beethoven 1, and it was REALLY great but I kept thinking "I wish he was playing Totentanz".

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Can't imagine Brendel playing Messaien

I can and don't care to  ;D

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Perahia playing Prokofiev

I heard him play the Bartok Suite Op.14 and it was great. Don't know why he doesn't play more 20th Century lit. I suspect his managers and record producers guided him away from it, or that he felt more simpatico with Mozart, Schumann and Chopin. And because he's Perhaia, the choice was his to make.

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Horowitz...well, I don't really like Horowitz so...

                                                   >:(

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It's subjective as I said  ;D   




Indeed it is.  :)
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 09:05:34 AM
From what I've read, and heard on rolls and discs, I guess Busoni may be the nearest approximation to the true all-rounder.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 05:34:23 PM
If one were to go by the rolls, Busoni had the greatest dex ever.  ;)
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
John Ogdon?
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 05:50:14 PM
mostly
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 08:31:24 PM
John Ogdon?
Exactly who I was about to mention but you beat me to it!...

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 09:24:28 PM
John Ogdon?
quite a great pianist!

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 09:28:39 PM
one name that occurs me is glenn gould. he had a very large repertory span, and although it's very debatable if he did play everything well, he had such a personal signature to everything.

btw, another pianist i must mention is mitsuko uchida. she doesn't qualify to the all-round prize, but when i think of her mozart, chopin, debussy and schoenberg performances...well, that's a lot of diversity and she is perfect and brilliant in all of them.

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
Joyce Hatto
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 12:29:16 AM
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 12:36:21 AM


 ;D  (you're totally out of control, opus)

Oh, almost forget, how about Walter Gieseking?  No slouch.  And an honorary SDC member.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 02:31:16 AM
;D  (you're totally out of control, opus)

Oh, almost forget, how about Walter Gieseking?  No slouch.  And an honorary SDC member.
Haven't heard, but according to what I read, sucked at Ravel.
John Ogdon?
Can't imagine him playing Bach or Mozart - looks like too much of a beast of a man, then again that makes absolutely no difference what so ever.  :-X
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 02:44:28 AM
Does Koji do any Bach? He would come to mind.

Arrau and Richter had pretty impressive repertoires too.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 02:50:23 AM

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #17 on: July 23, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
Roland Pöntinen

Heard him play
Mozart
Beethoven
Chopin
Albeniz
Rachmaninoff
among others

liked it all so far

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #18 on: July 23, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
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Roland Pöntinen

He is indeed a mighty fine pianist. Apart from anything else, I admire him for the seriousness with which he approaches repertoire others may regard and hardly worth attention - he's done some lovely things with little miniatures most often considered only as kids' stuff.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
I seen Aimard play Schumann and it wasn't very good. Then he played amazing Ligeti in the 2nd half

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #20 on: July 25, 2008, 06:04:40 PM
I seen Aimard play Schumann and it wasn't very good. Then he played amazing Ligeti in the 2nd half

i heard him playing last monday (bbc proms chamber music), and the program was schumann (gesange der fruhe), carter (night fantasies), messiaen and bartok (out of doors). well, although i didn't dislike the schumann, there is no comparison to his performances of carter and bartok, where his is absolutely outstanding.

btw, it's still online (until sunday i guess): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00clzft

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #21 on: July 26, 2008, 12:59:10 AM
Lang Lang fo'sho
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #22 on: July 29, 2008, 06:35:32 PM
I actually do like gilels in most i heard from him, which encompasses composers ranging from bach to medtner and prokofiev, i havent heard all of his recordings yet though.

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #23 on: July 30, 2008, 12:42:30 AM
I actually do like gilels in most i heard from him, which encompasses composers ranging from bach to medtner and prokofiev, i havent heard all of his recordings yet though.
His Chopin's not great from what I remember.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #24 on: July 30, 2008, 04:17:30 AM
Hamelin!No matter what he plays, it sounds the same, therefore he is all encompassingly boring

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #25 on: July 30, 2008, 05:42:52 PM
His Chopin's not great from what I remember.

I can imagine him being a bit too 'firm' in his tone for some chopin pieces yes, but for example the op. 53 polonaise i heard from him was one of the best in my opinion. I'd like to know what chopin you like him less in though, i'm curious!

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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #26 on: July 31, 2008, 02:34:58 AM
bm sonata, From what I remember, haven't watched it in ages though.
Even my teacher whos favourite pianist is Gilels agreed that his Chopin would not be the best.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #27 on: July 31, 2008, 11:04:13 AM
His 3rd sonata, 1st ballade and  Andante Spinato performances are among the finest I've ever heard.
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Re: All Encompassing Pianist(s)
Reply #28 on: August 01, 2008, 01:43:36 AM
It's all subjective ;)
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