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Offline tds

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english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
on: July 25, 2008, 07:43:37 AM
bout 6.
..or maybe not even that. 5.3 i'd say
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 08:19:53 AM
8 or 9. Considering 10 to have a very extensive vocabulary and in-depth knowledge of the language.

It's my mother tongue, so I'm proficient in the spoken and written aspect of the language, but I don't know as many words as I'd like to. (Though still more than the average teenager)
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 12:46:28 PM
3.... I can't speak very well and my grammar is really bad.....
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 01:04:56 PM
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 01:40:47 PM
7 maybe. Ok for a swede.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 02:07:59 PM
bout 6.
..or maybe not even that. 5.3 i'd say

My American is way better than my English.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 02:17:43 PM
I'd say 7, because I can't speak straight english though I read a lot.
reading = 9, speaking = 5.  :)
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 06:30:56 PM
I would say about 9.8, but Hinty would probably disagree.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 07:44:36 PM

It's my mother tongue

You need to start using your own
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 03:28:44 AM
You need to start using your own

That would be my mother's tongue...
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #10 on: July 26, 2008, 11:52:38 AM
hinty is obviously a 10...

I guess I'm a 7?
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #11 on: July 26, 2008, 03:44:18 PM
hinty is obviously a 10...


For a Scot his English is good, albeit a bit 19th Century.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 12:43:46 AM
-20


durrrr.....

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*ehem* I'd rate myself an 8.5, I think.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 05:38:29 AM
I'd say 7, because I can't speak straight english though I read a lot.
reading = 9, speaking = 5.  :)

I'd say, same here  ;D

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #14 on: July 27, 2008, 01:24:37 PM
I beat I', least than cai hong....  :(
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #15 on: August 03, 2008, 09:06:00 PM
english proficiency?

reading = 10
writing = 5
speaking = 7 or 8
listening = 7 or 8

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #16 on: August 03, 2008, 10:32:05 PM
ACT Scale:

in highschool - 32/36 = about 89/100

...before 2 university degrees totaling 7 years of study.  Of course, it's my native language and therefore not altogether surprising that I'm somewhat comfortable with it.  ;)
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 04:29:18 AM
Hmm. 8? I 5'd the AP Lit exam, like words, and 1540/1600'd the reading-writing SAT sections, but I have trouble writing quickly without repeating the same sentence structure or switching tenses.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 11:10:33 AM
Probably 8.5-9/10. In all the practice SAT's I've done, I generally get 800 in writing and 750-800 in Critical Reading.  Funnily enough, English isn't actually my first language, but I've lost all fluency in my first language, so...
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 03:15:13 AM
Out of 10 I would probably say 9. Now as for my French, Italian and Dutch...maybe 2? Probably cause I never get chances to practice  ::)

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 03:20:00 AM
ACT?  20 Reading and 23 English at age 12.  (I'd prefer my perfect math SATs anyday- ACT Just didn't click for me, not to mention that I got bored and didn't even read it.)

GRE: 88% percentile English.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #21 on: August 13, 2008, 07:01:26 AM
Like my Dad, I begin the day with probably a solid 9, and as the hours pass so does my mind.  By the end of the day I'm at 0.5, I don't even know what I'm trying to say.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #22 on: August 16, 2008, 08:07:33 PM
For a Scot his English is good, albeit a bit 19th Century.

Are you saying most Scots have bad english? I would disagree, but because I am Scottish, I would disagree. It is my first language, followed by Scottish Gaelic.

Reading : 9
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #23 on: August 16, 2008, 08:25:57 PM
listening 2.6  speaking 8.5 reading 7.8
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #24 on: August 16, 2008, 08:37:30 PM
Are you saying most Scots have bad english?

Err, yes.

Any visit to Glasgow on a Friday night would confirm this.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #25 on: August 16, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
Err, yes.

Any visit to Glasgow on a Friday night would confirm this.

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LOL...I'm Glaswegian! Though I will admit that there are many...erm...unusual characters there. That doesn't mean we are ALL bad!

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #26 on: August 17, 2008, 12:06:43 AM
10--I'm an English teacher...

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #27 on: August 17, 2008, 12:21:44 AM
English proficiency is entirely dependent upon context.  In graduate school, i may as well have had a kindergarten proficiency when it came to having too many topics in a term paper.  To have a booklet given to the entire class on writing a term paper correctly was a LIFE SAVER!

However, it seems insane and inane to take an english proficiency test and be asked - which answer is correct to the question:  'how are you?'  i'm certainly not going to answer, 'i'm in the living room.'

Try reading the New Yorker magazine.  If you can make heads or tails of it - you're probably proficient.  If you can read Reader's Digest - you like to be poetic, like jokes, and you like the average stories of average middle-class people/americans.  I'm sure there are other magazines like this in other countries.  Sort of 'guide the lame and blind' -especially with LARGE print.

My ideal, however, is to have plenty of time and read a few lines from bob.  His english proficiency is normal - but he has some creative ideas.  And, he didn't steal them from anyone.  I like to read things that are entirely the writer's own ideas and not plagarism.  Plagarism is a sign of laziness and is worse than not being proficient in English. (however, i have done a little at the start - when gleaning information from books,etc and then attempt to write it in my own words).

The difficulty in writing always seems to come down to how best to present information in an organized way.  If you have a disorganized mind - you don't always put the information in the right order - or present it with the right vocabulary.  When this is the problem - you need a proof reader.  Having one doesn't make you less proficient - but it can increase your proficiency. 

OK blah blah blah (never write etc.)  on a college scale?  I'm probably 7 or 8.  I do make mistakes when it comes to writing too much.  Editing is my new theme.  Three or four times.  Sometimes I'll have premature cognitive comments or little things that are just not entirely correct in the context.  Grammatical things, too.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #28 on: August 17, 2008, 12:48:58 PM
I find this interesting.  I'd say I'm about a 5 or so, perhaps even below average.  Quite sad since English is my native language, but an eloquent speaker I am not.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #29 on: August 17, 2008, 12:52:41 PM
I find this interesting.  I'd say I'm about a 5 or so, perhaps even below average.  Quite sad since English is my native language, but an eloquent speaker I am not.

Well you do speak quite well for someone who claims to be about a 5. :)

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #30 on: August 17, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
Well you do speak quite well for someone who claims to be about a 5. :)

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Well thank you.  :)  I suppose I'm being too hard on myself, but sometimes I do feel as if I have the vocabulary of a 3rd grader.  LOL

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #31 on: August 17, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
10. Or about 6 in the local pub.
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #32 on: August 17, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #33 on: November 29, 2008, 06:03:30 PM
bout 6.
..or maybe not even that. 5.3 i'd say

omg omg my english is officially better than i originally thought! i took an ielts test, here is my score:

listening 8/9
reading 7/9
writing 7.5/9
speaking 8/9

it's the equivalent of 635/677 in toefl test ( paper based )

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #34 on: November 29, 2008, 06:43:26 PM
omg omg my english is officially better than i originally thought! i took an ielts test, here is my score:

listening 8/9
reading 7/9
writing 7.5/9
speaking 8/9

it's the equivalent of 635/677 in toefl test ( paper based )

Does writing apply to grammar, spelling, etc? Or just being able to copy something? I wouldn't trust on-line tests, they're usually not very reliable.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #35 on: November 30, 2008, 12:29:37 AM
Does writing apply to grammar, spelling, etc? Or just being able to copy something? I wouldn't trust on-line tests, they're usually not very reliable.

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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #36 on: November 30, 2008, 01:08:09 AM
excluding grammar probably a 9
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Re: english proficiency ( on the scale of 1 to 10 )
Reply #37 on: November 30, 2008, 06:45:40 AM
Including all aspects, probably a 8 or 9.
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