How do you deal with irrational people?

[ahinton]

I wish you did have

Perhaps she's interested in you; have you thought about that possibility? After all, what sentient woman wouldn't be interested in a civil, charming, delightful, intelligent and handsome fellow like you?...

Best,

Alistair

[morningstar]

Wait...what?

[G.W.K]

I know that you were not addressing me directly but I should say that I do not want you to be any kind of irrational person; what kind of hope might I have of this when, after yet despite various forum censures and self-censorship, you still persist in Godding and Bibling your way through so very much of what you now post here? Your post count has been immense and, as G.W.K. and others have either pointed out or implied, a disproportionate amount (I do not of course say all) of the content of your posts has been oriented towards your very specific religious beliefs, irrespective of their possible relevance or otherwise to the topic of the threads various in which they have appeared.

That is basically what I was trying to say, just not as nice as you put it.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Leaving aside the issue of any attraction to arguments with whomever - i say that if religion should be out of government - then the Catholic church should not be allowed to address the UN.  In other words, if all churches should be part of this 'one world order' that Barak Obama is proposing (health care for all - health care for all - money for all  - money for all) then we should have hope to choose our church, our medical center, our manner of government under the current system of laws.  That is not what he is proposing and I challenge you to prove me wrong.  He doesn't want to be President - he wants to be an agent for change. changing the Presidency completely to be under the United Nations control.  And, possibly not even a member of the EU like Britain soon will not be.  Why = they say we owe debts. Now, considering how much we have helped poor countries - isn't this kicking yourself in the foot?  And, what about the protection we have offerred to many countries.  I suppose that terrorist ruin that prospect by making it look like WE did the damage.  The damage is done where TERRORISTS ARE.

People - what is irrational is revised american history.  Also, what seems to now be irrational is that Barak Obama may choose up to two new Supreme Court Justices - and don't think it's not one-sided already.  How much will he actually control?  The congress, the senate, the justice system - what more does he want?  It's definately going to change things.  Especially if a justice comes in that wants to abide by the Koran.  Laugh again - but I'm saying this because we are not a Muslim nation and will fight not to be just as Muslims will fight not to be Christian.

And, I'll say one more thing.  Jesus Christ said 'I am the way, the truth, and the life....'  That means there's not another way. It would be interesting to know if the constitution will only be for those that swear on the bible - and the muslim rules for those that swear on the koran.  Just wondering.  Suppose that only the future will tell the truth about what change is coming.  If Barak Obama's mother was athiest - then, that is what he was first taught. His father was Muslim.  And, now he claims Christianity.  But, I think what he is for - is the same as the UN.  No religion at all in the end.

[thalbergmad]

But, I think what he is for - is the same as the UN.  No religion at all in the end.

Lets hope so.

After hundreds of years of wars with millions dead, there might just be peace.

War mongering, tambo banging, forum spamming, intolerant, holier than thou, pea brained, sandal wearing, God bothering, Jesus creeping,  bible bashing, narrow minded Pontius preachers like you, would no longer have a say on how this World of ours is run.

It is people like Bush & Blair who have killed millions and stirred up enough hatred to fuel the next thousand years of wars, that must never again be let back into Office.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Where's my gun?  Obama took it.

[thalbergmad]

Where's my gun?  Obama took it.

Good, maybe the murders carried out by you fanatics will decrease.

[pianistimo]

Mr. Thal -have you no memory of Churchill and Roosevelt?  You claim to have bow and arrow - but what you need is a bible and some contemplation.  War has always been around since the beginning of time.  It's not an American ideal. It's how we stayed free.

Lots of popular novels now are searching for which world power will gain the most dominance the quickest. We have, let's see - North Korea, China, Russia, Europe, Middle East, Africa (pirates, yay) - now - of all these wonderful choices of who to run the world - which do you choose?  How about they all meet together in the valley of meggido and blow themselves to smitherines.

[thalbergmad]

but what you need is a bible and some contemplation. 

What i need is for PA to have a power cut.

[thalbergmad]

How about they all meet together in the valley of meggido and blow themselves to smitherines.

You would love that.

Then the whole world would be American and Christian. You would have defeated all of your enemies and could return to PA on a donkey, triumphant.

Thal

[G.W.K]

Mr. Thal -have you no memory of Churchill and Roosevelt?

I don't think Thal is that old! LOL

G.W.K

[ahinton]

Leaving aside the issue of any attraction to arguments with whomever - i say that if religion should be out of government - then the Catholic church should not be allowed to address the UN.

Why not? They can address the UN but that is not necessarily the same thing as having jurisdictional power over them. It's an up-for-grabs free-for-all in the political free market, Susan - for the religious lot as well as for every other pressure group in existence and/or about to come into existence.

In other words, if all churches should be part of this 'one world order' that Barak Obama is proposing (health care for all - health care for all - money for all  - money for all) then we should have hope to choose our church, our medical center, our manner of government under the current system of laws.  That is not what he is proposing and I challenge you to prove me wrong.  He doesn't want to be President - he wants to be an agent for change. changing the Presidency completely to be under the United Nations control.  And, possibly not even a member of the EU like Britain soon will not be.

Er,  excuse me - since when did America become a member of EU? The throwing out of Britain from that organisation may not be the remotest possibility but it remains pretty m=unlikely in the ever-expanding European agenda.

Why = they say we owe debts. Now, considering how much we have helped poor countries - isn't this kicking yourself in the foot?  And, what about the protection we have offerred to many countries.  I suppose that terrorist ruin that prospect by making it look like WE did the damage.  The damage is done where TERRORISTS ARE.

Yes - so please remember that there are American terrorists just as there are ditto from many other countries.

People - what is irrational is revised american history.  Also, what seems to now be irrational is that Barak Obama may choose up to two new Supreme Court Justices - and don't think it's not one-sided already.  How much will he actually control?  The congress, the senate, the justice system - what more does he want?  It's definately going to change things.  Especially if a justice comes in that wants to abide by the Koran.  Laugh again - but I'm saying this because we are not a Muslim nation and will fight not to be just as Muslims will fight not to be Christian.

The likelihood of the formation of the Islamic Republic of America seems even more remote than the establishment of the Christian Democratic Republic of America; just as well, probably (and that is not intended as an anti-Islamic slight). I'm not laughing at all; the Muslims that I know would be utterly horrifed with and disgusted at your terms of reference here that suggest all too strongly that Muslims and Christians of all persuasions not only are but should be sworn enemies...

And, I'll say one more thing.

That'll be the day!

Jesus Christ said 'I am the way, the truth, and the life....'  That means there's not another way.

For Christians...

It would be interesting to know if the constitution will only be for those that swear on the bible - and the muslim rules for those that swear on the koran.  Just wondering.

Susan, where do you park your intelligence when you seem temporarily to have little or no use for it? What on earth makes you assume that members of the American electorate are almost all either Christians of Muslims, as you appear to suggest here? What nonsense!

Suppose that only the future will tell the truth about what change is coming.  If Barak Obama's mother was athiest - then, that is what he was first taught. His father was Muslim.  And, now he claims Christianity.  But, I think what he is for - is the same as the UN.  No religion at all in the end.

Frankly, so what? If he wins tomorrow, is that going to affect your beliefs? No, of course not. Nor should it. Nor will it affect the beliefs of the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists, Zoroastrians, etc. that all make up part of the American electorate.

Best,

Alistair

[morningstar]

Mr. Thal -have you no memory of Churchill and Roosevelt?  You claim to have bow and arrow - but what you need is a bible and some contemplation.  War has always been around since the beginning of time.  It's not an American ideal. It's how we stayed free.
Lots of popular novels now are searching for which world power will gain the most dominance the quickest. We have, let's see - North Korea, China, Russia, Europe, Middle East, Africa (pirates, yay) - now - of all these wonderful choices of who to run the world - which do you choose?  How about they all meet together in the valley of meggido and blow themselves to smitherines.

What of Churchill and Roosevelt?
And the winner is...US of A. Wait...

[pianistimo]

OK churchill, roosevelt, and mccain.  They knew american history.  Obama doesn't know why alaska is strategic.  He doesn't want to touch the soil.  I'd rather have matter-of-fact taking care of our own needs by our own resources.  Obama doesn't have a clue of the strategic resources most anywhere in our entire land.  And, if he does - he'd probably as soon give them away. He is  most unresourceful to grab money from 'richer people' to give to the poor.  Who does he think he is?  Robinhood?

Why doesn't he go into wal-mart and wonder why that isn't working before he tries it out on the entire country?  Ok - ask someone in wal-mart where anything is.  Or...on second thought - do as i do sometimes and just do something unusual.  Like take one color of each paint swatch for 100 colors.  It's normal behavior in wal-mart.  Funniest of all though, he promises health care for children and babies - but really doesn't want them around in the first place.  So...what kind of healthcare are they going to get when they are in 1000th place and around the corner when very very sick.

Preventative health care for children -means that mother's have a right (and tax breaks) to be home and take care of their own children so that they don't get sick in the first place.  This starts with pre-pregnancy on to giving anti-bodies to children through breast feeding.  The whole idea that 'it takes a village' is buying into the notion that feminism means ignoring your family for the common good of your workplace.  Who cares about the workplace as much as your own personal family and their health. That is what will solve the health crisis.  Taking care of your family first!

Who deserves a voice in our children's education?  The government?  They've ruined everything else. Now you want them to ruin your children's minds?  It's just crazy because they think they're god.  They're not.  THey're humans like everyone else.  I think Obama is off his rocker in terms of thinking he can create more government 'projects.'  Why doesn't he just lay off, chill, and think about another job?  Our country is broke.  It doesn't need more things to pay for.  He's not an economist by any sense of the rational word.

[thalbergmad]

Eh?

[mad_max2024]

Churchill knew american history?
Did you have a Churchill in America I don't know about?

[pianistimo]

After voting, I turned on the tv and they were showing Obama's and McCain's horiscope.  I think that is irrational - especially since it said that McCain was not full of logic but had a lot of energy.  Who writes these anyways.  They sound like fortune cookies gone bad.  Sometimes i read my fortune cookies after chinese food for entertainment - but it's not front page news.  This is irrational. 

However, Saturday night live is also irrational - and very funny.  They have this clip of supposedly Obama - and he says 'and this I will promise' - and the moderator says 'time's up!'  Suppose that in the end of it is winning or losing gracefully.

I'm very sorry Obama's grandmother did not get to see him be President (if he becomes president).  I do have some compassion, see!  She died last night - and it's terrible the timing.  At least you could have lived to tommorrow, grandma.

[ahinton]

OK churchill, roosevelt, and mccain.  They knew american history.

And, although one of them was patently not American, many other people knew and know American history too.

Obama doesn't know why alaska is strategic.  He doesn't want to touch the soil.

This statement is - unless I am missing something fundamental here - almost tantamount to implying that he doesn't even know or care where it is - and if that would have been utterly implausible at the commencement of the electoral campaign, the all-too-well-publicised antics of Ms Palin would surely have cemented that state's location beyond any doubt in his mind...

I'd rather have matter-of-fact taking care of our own needs by our own resources.  Obama doesn't have a clue of the strategic resources most anywhere in our entire land.  And, if he does - he'd probably as soon give them away. He is  most unresourceful to grab money from 'richer people' to give to the poor.  Who does he think he is?  Robinhood?

I am not about to speak out in favour of either candidate, but do please remember that the fact that America is not and cannot be self-sufficient in everything is not the fault of either, nor can it be changed by either.

Why doesn't he go into wal-mart and wonder why that isn't working before he tries it out on the entire country?  Ok - ask someone in wal-mart where anything is.  Or...on second thought - do as i do sometimes and just do something unusual.  Like take one color of each paint swatch for 100 colors.  It's normal behavior in wal-mart.

I really have parted company with any sense of what you're talking about here; what has the paint swatch stock of any branch of Wal-mart got to do with either candidate?

Funniest of all though, he promises health care for children and babies - but really doesn't want them around in the first place.  So...what kind of healthcare are they going to get when they are in 1000th place and around the corner when very very sick.

What? Without the former around, who would there be to vote for him? What a bizarre statement! I don't know what your views on public and private healthcare are, but I would have been somewhat surprised were McCain, whom you evidently favour, to be better disposed towards more state-funded healthcare than Obama would be.

Preventative health care for children -means that mother's have a right (and tax breaks) to be home and take care of their own children so that they don't get sick in the first place.  This starts with pre-pregnancy on to giving anti-bodies to children through breast feeding.  The whole idea that 'it takes a village' is buying into the notion that feminism means ignoring your family for the common good of your workplace.  Who cares about the workplace as much as your own personal family and their health. That is what will solve the health crisis.  Taking care of your family first!

Whilst your apparent avowed ideals here are not unreasonable, your implied dismissal of the economic considerations affecting many American families seems to me to be profoundly inconsiderate, especially coming as they do from a self-confessed Christian; you must surely realise that most mothers cannot afford to stay at home and look after their children, especially nowadays (this fact is, of course, by no means exclusive to America) and most households need two, three or more salaries in order to survive.

Who deserves a voice in our children's education?  The government?  They've ruined everything else. Now you want them to ruin your children's minds?  It's just crazy because they think they're god.  They're not.  THey're humans like everyone else.  I think Obama is off his rocker in terms of thinking he can create more government 'projects.'  Why doesn't he just lay off, chill, and think about another job?  Our country is broke.  It doesn't need more things to pay for.  He's not an economist by any sense of the rational word.

And McCain is? By the way, words themselves cannot be "rational" - only people can use them in rational ways (when they do!). Not know Mr Obama, I cannot voich for his motives personally, but I would venture to suggest to you that he "doesn't he just lay off, chill, and think about another job" because his many supporters want him to continue doing the one that he is now doing; that seems to me good enough reason, irrespective of whether or not he is successful in his bid for the presidency.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

McCain doesn't support state funded health care.  That's my point.  He is for taking charge of one's own health by means of employer funded health care FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK.  These people that expect a free ride can go back home to the countries they love so much.  There are no free rides.  If you immigrate here - you work here. You pay taxes.  You pay for what you get.  IT's not socialism.

Canadians sometimes end up coming here because the wait is too long in Canada for effective medical care if you have emergencies that need to be dealt with quickly.  Our hospitals are over worked and underpaid - yes. But, it's not been a government problem. It is individual states.  Each state has a  BUDGET. Nobody works the budget properly.  It's not supposed to be our problem - but it is WHEN TAXPAYER MONEY IS WASTED.

Who is going to pay for everyone in the country to have wonderful health care?  This is a 'pie in the sky ideal.'  We are broke.  Also, our system has started buying into socialized health care already - but it is funded BY THE UN.  That gives them some rights to say 'what KIND of medical care.'  Is that wonderful?  DICTOCRATS.

Mc Cain and Palin are not for pushing abortion, killing those who are mentally disabled or forcing them into state homes, not looking after those who are orphans and making the process fairly grueling for adoption(so the state gets more money), doing testing on people who are mentally disabled....these are 'scientific' ideas that started with nazi protocol.

McCain and Palin are for common sense solutions that will not spend MORE government money - but LESS.  If you spend more how can you save and get out of debt?

[gyzzzmo]

McCain doesn't support state funded health care.  That's my point.  He is for taking charge of one's own health by means of employer funded health care FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK.  These people that expect a free ride can go back home to the countries they love so much.  There are no free rides.  If you immigrate here - you work here. You pay taxes.  You pay for what you get.  IT's not socialism.

Healthcare has nothing to do with socialism. Actually, when providing state funded health care, you increase the workforce potential of your country, wich supports capitalism.

[pianistimo]

And, you die a lot quicker in a hospital setting because there's no oversight.  People get paid no matter what the outcome.

[gyzzzmo]

And, you die a lot quicker in a hospital setting because there's no oversight.  People get paid no matter what the outcome.

It's obvious you have no clue how funded healthcare works in most countries. First read about it, then think (critically ofcourse), then write.

[ahinton]

Mc Cain and Palin are not for pushing abortion, killing those who are mentally disabled or forcing them into state homes, not looking after those who are orphans and making the process fairly grueling for adoption(so the state gets more money), doing testing on people who are mentally disabled....these are 'scientific' ideas that started with nazi protocol.

And Obama IS pushing for these things? Your credibility factor evaporates yet further!

Dear me!

Best,

Alistair

[G.W.K]

Wait a minute! You have completely destroyed this thread, like you did with mine, and yet you are discussing the same topic my thread was on...in this one!

LOL

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

It's obvious you have no clue

You could have finished your sentence there.

Thal

[mad_max2024]

Wait a minute! You have completely destroyed this thread, like you did with mine, and yet you are discussing the same topic my thread was on...in this one!

LOL

G.W.K

Get used to it... 

[G.W.K]

LOL.

This forum is getting more messed up! LOL

G.W.K

[morningstar]

It's nowhere near over either.
On the other hand PS is alive again!

[G.W.K]

On the other hand PS is alive again!

And the on the other hand, PS is rapidly declining.

G.W.K

[morningstar]

And the on the other hand, PS is rapidly declining.

G.W.K

How can there be two 'other hands'?
But I see your point.

[G.W.K]

You said "on the other hand", so I mentioned the other hand to the other hand mentioned, therefore it totals to two hands...

I give up, I've confused myself. 

G.W.K

[morningstar]

Yes! MS for the win!

[redbaron]

Damage them...

[morningstar]

Damage them...

In what way? Both works best IMO...