If you seriously want to play chopin etudes, at least get yourself some decent sheetmusic for it like an edition Peters, wich provides proper fingering.
LOL, decent and Peters in one sentence! Get Henle, Paderewski or Jan Ekier, for the etudes Cortot's edition is also very recommendable.
Peters simply don't have the commentaries and all possible sources/possibilities for everything, and a sheet music with fingerings is useless unless it is Chopin's own. Peters is not recommandable for Chopin. Nor is Henley. Get paderewski, musica budapest, or Jan Ekier national edition. I own musica budapest and love it, there are all source commentaries at the end and everything is clear. Stephen Hough told me it was a great edition also.
First, the edition peters i have gives multiple fingering advice, i have no idea of what use all those commentaries could be. And why is sheetmusic with fingerings useless unless its Chopins fingering? Chopins fingering doesnt have to be the best for you, it depends on your hands. And with your argumentation you should also say that comentaries are useless unless it are Chopin's own commentaries Anyway, the guy who created this thread probably has a version without any fingering or commentary, else he wouldnt post this thread. My guess is that 'even' an edition Peters would be a great improvement to his current one.
Dunno, my edition peters of the chopin etudes is an excellent version, also practically pianist from the conservatory i know uses it.Maybe i forgot that some amateurs need help on fingering on every single note. My mistake.
Did you think a single second before posting? First of all, if Chopin's fingerings don't have to be "the best for you", then I can't see how a mere editor's ones would be better. That's exactly why I said fingerings in sheet music are useless, fingering is different for every person/style of playing. Only Chopin's are interesting, not to actually use them, but to see how the composer conceived fingerings for the piece.Now, what the f***ing hell do you think a commentary is? Interpretation suggestions? Where do you come from? Did you even study a single piece of music properly? Commentaries are for the various readings of the original manuscript, because sometimes notes or whole passage change from one edition to another! So, to have the more information possible to do a proper rendition of the work, you need to know what each source gave, and why. That's what the commentaries are all about. I can't see what you are talking about when you say "Chopin's commentaries"? Hell, the commentaries are there to help you to understand Chopin better, for matters that he was unclear about! Don't argue editions when you have no idea what you're talking about.
I guess youre some Asian or American pianist who thinks musicality comes from playing something technically perfect and reading a bunch of 'commentaries'.True good pianists play their own interpretation and let them being lead by the music itself, not by commentaries, those are for the amateurs who dont understand the music itself.About fingering... Good editions only give fingering at some keypoints, and provide some alternate fingering on technically difficult places. To my opinion the edition Peters does that perfectly with the Chopin Etudes, but i gues that i forgot that some people cant understand music without 'commentaries'.Gyzzzmo
I suppose i'm not getting your point, and you're not getting mine.Lets just keep it to my first reply in this thread, the initial poster needs sheetmusic with proper fingering. Wich edition is proper depends too much on opinions i guess, but we probably all agree that in general, an edition with some fingering is better than an edition with no fingering at all.gyzzzmo
No we won't agree on that! I get your point perfectly, and you simply don't know what to reply, so you say you don't understand. There's nothing to be misunderstood, you simply do not know what source commentaries actually are (a fact you proved twice) wich is something VERY important to any edition. In Peter's (I HAVE the peters edition of chopin etudes) they are inexistant. That's why I suggested editions that actually have them! They are very important particularly in Chopin etudes since there are a lot of differencies between the various editions. And no, to a serious student, fingerings are useless. As you said yourself, fingering is proper to every individual. The only *interesting* fingerings are the one provided by the composer, not to actually use them, but to see how the composer played the piece.
Might be very interesting if you're a historicus. But me as a performer havent found those interesting at all. And if i may say so, i passed the 'serious student' for quite some time and make a living out of playing piano. And i still find fingering useful since they save me alot of time.
I will simply make you remember YOU are the one who argued that a given fingering might not be good for everyone. I will also make you remember that there are a lot of differences, different NOTES and different CHORDS completly from edition to edition, and that, AS A PERFORMER, you should be aware of what you do with the music, and playing the composition right. You rely on a week edition and you do not even know what are the other possibilities out there. Source commentaries are studied BY historicus, FOR us performer to simply have them as a resource. I can't believe you make a living playing the piano and still think that way. You play concertos with major orchestras and make solo recitals all over the world? Are you that good a player and really still think the way you do, and DON'T KNOW what commentaries actually are? Hard to believe. If you make of living of playing the piano in any other way, like playing pop music or whatever, then you are excused for your ignorance, but do not come tell us what editions to use when you don't know what you're talking about. Every fingering has to be tested and you must try all possibilities everytime anyways to find you own, so it is very weird you say a given fingering by an editor saves you time, when you argued that Chopin's own fingerings might be doubtful ...
You're getting rather silly here. 2 Replies back i tried to find a diplomatic ending for this discussion, but i suppose thierry13 stands for 'thierry stays 13'. I have my way of playing piano and edition Peters have (in general) worked fine for me. I suppose you cant play pieces musically without knowing its historical context wich is fine. Just dont bother me with it, and definitely dont try claiming that only editions with commentaries are good because they are NOT required for playing pieces proper and musically.I'm retreating from this thread, i didnt expect that a simple advice like 'get a decent edition' would trigger that much sillyness in people.So one last note for the thread starter: Get your self a 'decent' edition, whatever that might be for you, since opinions differ about that. gyzzzmo
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