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Offline kard

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Tonal palette? color?
on: November 09, 2008, 06:12:31 AM
I keep hearing these terms ever so often...what do they mean?
Are they talking about the player's ability to pay attention to timbre?

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 03:51:33 PM
I think more along the lines of articulation and emphasizing the effect when something changes. 

Color is a term that can have a lot of meanings.  Ability to make changes or emphasize changes. 

On one hand its piano, so the instrument color is the same.  Piano.  I remember one prof who was excited about a certain chord and kept refering to the color change there. 

Basically, any kind of change could be called a color change. 
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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 04:28:31 PM
ohh, So its basically addressing musicality rather than a specific this or that? So tonal palette would probably be like...how rich the whole structure feels? Appropriate dynamics, rubato, phrasing etc.?
I don't know how to explain it. You know how when sometimes you listen and the notes are all there, but they feel as if they are just flying by because nothing feels shaped? or rather, the shapes chosen don't work quite well?

[train of thought conclusion ]--->(I think) "Palette" implies tools, so tonal palette might be all the tools used to achieve a convincing sound. Correct?

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
ohh, So its basically addressing musicality rather than a specific this or that? So tonal palette would probably be like...how rich the whole structure feels? Appropriate dynamics, rubato, phrasing etc.?
I don't know how to explain it. You know how when sometimes you listen and the notes are all there, but they feel as if they are just flying by because nothing feels shaped? or rather, the shapes chosen don't work quite well?

[train of thought conclusion ]--->(I think) "Palette" implies tools, so tonal palette might be all the tools used to achieve a convincing sound. Correct?

You've got a pretty good basic conception of the thing. Of course it's different for everybody, and is a much much more complex problem!

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 05:25:29 PM
You've got a pretty good basic conception of the thing. Of course it's different for everybody, and is a much much more complex problem!
Would you mind explaining please?

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 10:46:22 PM
Would you mind explaining please?

Well as I said the definition/perception of color is different for everyone, and is much more complex than what you said, but along the same lines. Trying to go into greater detail would be quite long and require deepened research on the subject (to be objective), so please excuse me if I do not go trough the whole question  ;)

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #6 on: November 10, 2008, 03:50:25 AM
I was thinking another way to blur it up is to call it a "nuance" instead. 

Have some fun.  The next time someone says tone color/color change or nuance, take the opposite view.  "Color change?  What the heck are you listening to?  That was clearly a finely executed nuance." 
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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
Would nuance not be more of a performer thing, as where colour is more of a music thing? For example, in Beethoven op 106, the sudden change from the prelude into the fugue might be a change of colour, but wouldn't a rubato be a nuance?

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Re: Tonal palette? color?
Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
I think more along the lines of articulation and emphasizing the effect when something changes. 

Would you explain about articulation please? I rather confused about that...
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