pianostreet apology thread (as suggested by pianowolfi)

[m19834]

I have not got your photo, but i did keep a few of booter boogie, danielswan, letters and Paris.

Oh, I don't know what to think about that.  Woahis me, he did not keep a photo of me when he DID keep a photo of those other girls, he must not think I am pretty enough ... boo hoo hoo ...  .  This all means that I must be ugly ... I am just crushed. 

So, I am the reason you have avoided girls ? hmmm ?

[thalbergmad]

So, I am the reason you have avoided girls ? hmmm ?

Mood swings due to chemical imbalances, which you have just demonstrated.

I DO think you are pretty and you are even in my top ten, just behind pianistimo.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

No, I lost it when i changed to a new dart board.

What the...dart board? you mean...

[thalbergmad]

I knew it.

Here comes her knight in shining armour.

Thal

[m19834]

Mood swings due to chemical imbalances, which you have just demonstrated.

Classic  .  

[thalbergmad]

Never fear sweet damsel, your prince is here.

Wolfi the brave is coming to rescue you, armed with a kilo of cheese and an army knife.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

Never fear sweet damsel, your prince is here.

Wolfi the brave is coming to rescue you, armed with a kilo of cheese and an army knife.

Thal

Wrong. I challenge you to a duel in the audition room    

[m19834]

...in the audition room    

Speaking of which ...

[thalbergmad]

Wrong. I challenge you to a duel in the audition room    

OK Wolfi, how about some Woelfl.

You win, you get a kiss and and a cream cup cake from the lovely Karli. I win, she walks the plank.

Deal?

Thal

[pianowolfi]

OK Wolfi, how about some Woelfl.

You win, you get a kiss and and a cream cup cake from the lovely Karli. I win, she walks the plank.

Deal?

Thal

Hmm Woelfl....if you provide me the sheet music, why not?

[m19834]

Hmm Woelfl....if you provide me the sheet music, why not?

eh, just to be clear, if your guys' duel is real, please consider me to be no part of it !  I'm sure Db would just love to take the place .

Cheers !

[thalbergmad]

Not very adventurous are you?

Thal

[m19834]

Well, firstly, I have already spent WAY too much time here, and for what, exactly ? 

Secondly, what you think of me doesn't change what and who I am.  Do your thing, whatever that is, but I have work to do, and no, I don't wish to be involved in whatever the game is.  Think of that what you will, but apparently I have already been fairly adventurous to have been willing to be on your dart board .

[go12_3]

This is getting interesting.....can we make a Kali, Pianowolfi and Thal thread now???
On with the drama!!     I am holding my breath with anticipation.....

[thalbergmad]

Karli, chill.

Have some choccies and maybe some tranquilisers.

Its only a bit of fun.

Thal

[general disarray]

Hmm Woelfl....if you provide me the sheet music, why not?

Wolfi, don't do it!  It's a trick!  Embedded in the Woelfi scores -- all of them, thanks to thalbergmad -- is the "Lost Chord!"  When you play it, your head explodes!

Or, I think you might turn into a Christian virgin.  I forget which, but DON'T DO IT!!
 
  

[thalbergmad]

Or, I think you might turn into a Christian virgin.    

According to pianistimo, he was.

Thal

[m19834]

Karli, chill.

Have some choccies and maybe some tranquilisers.

Its only a bit of fun.

Thal

Another Classic, Thal, another classic !  I'm not sure what the thrill is, but it seems that there is generally only one trick up the sleeve here.

[thalbergmad]

If you have work to do as you say, then please go and do it if you cannot take a joke.

Alternatively, you could go running to Uncle Nils as you did last time when you ran out of humour and get my posts removed.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

Wolfi, don't do it!  It's a trick!  Embedded in the Woelfi scores -- all of them, thanks to thalbergmad -- is the "Lost Chord!"  When you play it, your head explodes!

Or, I think you might turn into a Christian virgin.  I forget which, but DON'T DO IT!!
 
  

Omg 

Good that you warn me.

[thalbergmad]

Woelfl is a lovely composer Wolfi.

A bit of a cross between Mozart and Beethoven.

Thal

[m19834]

If you have work to do as you say, then please go and do it if you cannot take a joke.

Yes, that is my plan here.  And, please excuse me for not finding your remarks to be funny at the time.

Alternatively, you could go running to Uncle Nils as you did last time when you ran out of humour and get my posts removed.

Thal

I actually haven't any idea what you are talking about, and apparently neither do you.  I have reported ONE thread in my entire four and a half years here, and that had nothing to do with you as far as I know.  I have never complained to Nils about anybody, not one single person, and the only two threads I have ever asked to be actually removed was the moustache one because of my own personal reasons, and the stupid "interesting observations" one as well, which has not happened.  I did ask that the "What if" thread that I started as M. please be locked, but he apparently decided to just delete it, which is more or less fine by me.  Other than that, have a good evening, Thal.  *tips hat*

[ahinton]

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Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Your shortest and by far most interesting post hinty.

Thal

[ahinton]

Your shortest and by far most interesting post hinty.

Thal

No, Thal, it's not my shortest post and, as for the interest content, it cannot possibly compete with your own observation directed towards and about Karli:

"I DO think you are pretty and you are even in my top ten, just behind pianistimo".

Now quite what K will feel about that I cannot say; what Sister Susan (who doesn't visit here these days but who may well still read posts here) will feel about it I have even less idea...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Yes, that is my plan here.  And, please excuse me for not finding your remarks to be funny at the time.

Sorry, i struggle with humour but i am working hard to improve. Perhaps you could give me some lessons.

Some of your 15 page self analysis posts are the funniest i have seen in years.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

Woelfl is a lovely composer Wolfi.

A bit of a cross between Mozart and Beethoven.

Thal

But the lost chord........I also once lost a chord.....if they get lost they can get really uncomfy...

[thalbergmad]

Now quite what K will feel about that I cannot say; what Sister Susan (who doesn't visit here these days but who may well still read posts here) will feel about it I have even less idea...

I am rather missing her, so as this is the apology thread..................

Dear Pianistimo.

Please forgive me for all the almost horrible things i said.

I dearly want you to come back.

Luv

Thalxxxx

[m19834]

No, Thal, it's not my shortest post and, as for the interest content, it cannot possibly compete with your own observation directed towards and about Karli:

"I DO think you are pretty and you are even in my top ten, just behind pianistimo".

Now quite what K will feel about that I cannot say; what Sister Susan (who doesn't visit here these days but who may well still read posts here) will feel about it I have even less idea...

Best,

Alistair

Alistair, you of all people, or nearly all anyway, should know that his "observation" is not about me at all, as the way I see it, it has one main aim, as does your post.  What I "feel" about it has nearly nothing to do with what his comment would suggest I should feel, but I am rather impatient that after I have been here for four and half years with many of you, you still feel as though you need to treat me like this.  There are times here on the forum where I believe that there are such unique and beautiful people behind these posts, and that if one day we were to all meet, somehow we would have a fun time together, and that it would be something meaningful, too.  I know of other forums who do that.  But, it is clear to me that most people here will see me in one way, no matter who I am nor what I do or say, no matter how I grow nor what I share and think.  I will admit, that's a little disappointing, and right now I can't tell what is the most disappointing to me about it.  Whether it has more to do with me or this place.

There have been some people here who have helped me so much, either by chance or on purpose, I really don't know.  What I find saddening is that I get the feeling nobody wants me to know.  If I will never be a part of whatever it is that you all seem to share, I guess that is how it is.

Best wishes.

[thalbergmad]

I think you are going into "overload" here.

Perhaps you should stop the over analysis and take my posts as the childish wind ups that they actually are.

Thal

[ahinton]

Alistair, you of all people, or nearly all anyway, should know that his "observation" is not about me at all, as the way I see it, it has one main aim, as does your post.

Quite what you mean by that I do not know. What I wrote was intended to illustrate the sheer absurdity of what Thal had written; who it was supposedly "about" (if anyone) seems to me to be neither here nor there. Please tell us what you think was the "aim" of Thal's post and how it is supposedly identical to mine.

What I "feel" about it has nearly nothing to do with what his comment would suggest I should feel, but I am rather impatient that after I have been here for four and half years with many of you, you still feel as though you need to treat me like this.

Karli, perhaps you would like to be clearer about how you think that I (if you do indeed include me in this) "need to treat you"; I do not know you personally and have never even met you, although we have corresponded on occasion, so I would have thought at least that this correspondence would have given you at least some idea that I have not the remotest motive to "treat" you adversely.

There are times here on the forum where I believe that there are such unique and beautiful people behind these posts, and that if one day we were to all meet, somehow we would have a fun time together, and that it would be something meaningful, too.  I know of other forums who do that.  But, it is clear to me that most people here will see me in one way, no matter who I am nor what I do or say, no matter how I grow nor what I share and think.  I will admit, that's a little disappointing, and right now I can't tell what is the most disappointing to me about it.  Whether it has more to do with me or this place.

There have been some people here who have helped me so much, either by chance or on purpose, I really don't know.  What I find saddening is that I get the feeling nobody wants me to know.  If I will never be a part of whatever it is that you all seem to share, I guess that is how it is.

Best wishes.

If I may say so, I think that you may be reading far too much into this, at least where some of us are concerned; I admit, of course, that I cannot speak for anyone else, but I can at least speak for myself so, if you still feel that you have an issue with any of this and it bothers you, you are more than welcome to send me a PM.

Best,

Alistair

[m19834]

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[go12_3]

Go12_3 has been following this thread throughout the day, and sighs, and as she eats her tater tots and then raises a glass, "CHEERS!"   and hopefully tomorrow will be another day!   

[db05]

OK Wolfi, how about some Woelfl.

You win, you get a kiss and and a cream cup cake from the lovely Karli. I win, she walks the plank.

Deal?

Thal

Oh my dear thalbergdad, please permit me to woo the beautiful Karli. You wouldn't break your daughter's heart, would you? 

[thalbergmad]

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Well said.

Thal

[ahinton]

Oh my dear thalbergdad, please permit me to woo the beautiful Karli. You wouldn't break your daughter's heart, would you? 

If you'd been reading a little more around here, you'd have realised that he doesn't have one (a daughter, that is, not a heart - he's got one of those all right).

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

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Having been accused de temps en temps by one or two people here of a tendency to post overly elaborate paragraphs sometimes incorporating what are quaintly known (to some) as run-on sentences, it's nice to observe someone else doing the same but, since I am perhaps abit dense at this time of the morning (having had a late night working), might I ask you to elaborate on the above just a little?

For the record - and for the avoidance of doubt (as the lawyers say) - I didn't get the joke either (assuming that there even was one in the first place)...

Best,

Alistair

[m19834]

Honestly, I have no idea what most of the people on this forum are truly about.  I realize that is not *too* different than people in "real life," but I realize that I am craving something that is perhaps not findable, here or maybe otherwise.  I realize that everybody has a facade of some sort, including me, but I guess what it is about a forum like this is that it becomes very easy to let the facade completely take over one's concept of who they are.  I am craving to know people, fellow musicians, in a way where there is a mutual respect, and where we can share music together in a way that I suppose was mainly done only in days past.  And, even that, perhaps what I crave along those lines is only a fantasized version of what actually happened.

I don't actually mind fun and games, and I guess I feel I have been fairly "tolerant," for lack of a better word, to people teasing me and some of them not taking me seriously on any level.  I guess at some point, I just get tired of the facades, and somehow I want to know who people truly are.  I don't know what that means really, I mean, what I am craving is both impersonal to anybody here and potentially personal, too.  But, for a group of people whom have been "together" for a bit of a time now, I find it tiring that we don't even know each other's names, though I gather that there are a couple of members here whom seem to use their real name.  Not that I expect everybody to use their real name as their screen name.  I am just seeking musical substance, and substance in general.

Well, there's probably more to all of this on my part, as what I have to say has actually been building now for years.  And, whether or not I say it I guess remains to be seen. 
I think that what I am looking for in life regarding this is very difficult to find, and it's definitely not an entirely unusual occurance in my life to be barking up the wrong tree, trying to find it.

[db05]

Honestly, I have no idea what most of the people on this forum are truly about.  I realize that is not *too* different than people in "real life," but I realize that I am craving something that is perhaps not findable, here or maybe otherwise.  I realize that everybody has a facade of some sort, including me, but I guess what it is about a forum like this is that it becomes very easy to let the facade completely take over one's concept of who they are.  I am craving to know people, fellow musicians, in a way where there is a mutual respect, and where we can share music together in a way that I suppose was mainly done only in days past.  And, even that, perhaps what I crave along those lines is only a fantasized version of what actually happened.

I don't actually mind fun and games, and I guess I feel I have been fairly "tolerant," for lack of a better word, to people teasing me and some of them not taking me seriously on any level.  I guess at some point, I just get tired of the facades, and somehow I want to know who people truly are.  I don't know what that means really, I mean, what I am craving is both impersonal to anybody here and potentially personal, too.  But, for a group of people whom have been "together" for a bit of a time now, I find it tiring that we don't even know each other's names, though I gather that there are a couple of members here whom seem to use their real name.  Not that I expect everybody to use their real name as their screen name.  I am just seeking musical substance, and substance in general.

Well, there's probably more to all of this on my part, as what I have to say has actually been building now for years.  And, whether or not I say it I guess remains to be seen.  I think that what I am looking for in life regarding this is very difficult to find.

Albeit in a roundabout way, I agree with this statement.

Somehow I find that the facades in real life are more deceiving and deceitful as well. It may be a fantasy, but I find it easier to connect with people over the internet than in real life. After a few forum posts, chats or PMs, I feel that sense of closeness and shared interest that is almost nonexistent in real life. I realize this, and I am grateful for it, but at the same time I crave perhaps more closeness, knowing your real names, or meeting you in real life.

In my case, my relationships with the people here are more real than my relationship with music... Having no future in said pursuit, I have been preparing myself for failure. So in a sense, I have no right to be here, and at the same time, this is the only way I can keep the dream.

Dream or fantasy, this is what I hold on to, that which is real for me. So I guess what I'm hoping for is a surefire way to let it continue and go on for a lifetime, maybe forever...

I'm sorry, I don't know how I can say it any better...

[ahinton]

Honestly, I have no idea what most of the people on this forum are truly about.  I realize that is not *too* different than people in "real life," but I realize that I am craving something that is perhaps not findable, here or maybe otherwise.  I realize that everybody has a facade of some sort, including me, but I guess what it is about a forum like this is that it becomes very easy to let the facade completely take over one's concept of who they are.  I am craving to know people, fellow musicians, in a way where there is a mutual respect, and where we can share music together in a way that I suppose was mainly done only in days past.  And, even that, perhaps what I crave along those lines is only a fantasized version of what actually happened.

I don't actually mind fun and games, and I guess I feel I have been fairly "tolerant," for lack of a better word, to people teasing me and some of them not taking me seriously on any level.  I guess at some point, I just get tired of the facades, and somehow I want to know who people truly are.  I don't know what that means really, I mean, what I am craving is both impersonal to anybody here and potentially personal, too.  But, for a group of people whom have been "together" for a bit of a time now, I find it tiring that we don't even know each other's names, though I gather that there are a couple of members here whom seem to use their real name.  Not that I expect everybody to use their real name as their screen name.  I am just seeking musical substance, and substance in general.

Well, there's probably more to all of this on my part, as what I have to say has actually been building now for years.  And, whether or not I say it I guess remains to be seen.  I think that what I am looking for in life regarding this is very difficult to find.

I think that one of the potential problems that may arise in circumstances such as these (i.e. members' conduct on internet fora) is that not only does participation in such fora afford the possibility of anonymity (to which you draw attention) but it can encourage the adoption of different sets of protocols just as email culture does; that said, it is not necessary fully to accommodate these or even adhere to them at all when emailing, posting or text-messaging and, for example, when I write an email message, I adopt the same conventions and protocols as when writing a letter using pen, ink and paper whereas many people don't (and, for the record, I don't do text-messaging). Composers, after all, are hardly likely to overthrow the kinds of procedural disciplines to which they accustomed themselves over years of using pen, ink and paper just because they subsequently decide instead to create their scores using Sibelius or Finale; I recognise that this is not an ideal analogy but I still believe that it retains some pertinence here.

Some people like to create façades more than others do when using internet fora; you and I, for example, use our own names (or part thereof) as forum IDs whereas others don't, but what is perhaps more significant is that, because forum exchanges do not by their very nature involve listening to speech or watching the contributors contribute, the perception of some kind of protective film can assume the status of a real and palpable phenomenon for some members, be that one of anonymity or personality or both.

What I think you are seeking, whilst not actually made unavailable by fora such as this one, cannot be guaranteed as "findable" there; in other words, internet fora can offer no substitute for one-to-one human interaction and even what you may glean about those people who do not seek to conceal too much of themselves in what they write will always be less than would be the case were you to engage in actual conversation with them. So - I don't think that you're after the unattainable so much as looking for something in what is far from the best place to find it!

For the record, although you and I have never met, you have heard almost three hours of what I'm about (which is almost certainly far too much!)...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

It may be a fantasy, but I find it easier to connect with people over the internet than in real life. After a few forum posts, chats or PMs, I feel that sense of closeness and shared interest that is almost nonexistent in real life.

In my case, my relationships with the people here are more real than my relationship with music...

Then I think that all that anyone can reasonably do here is feel sad for you...

Best,

Alistair

[db05]

Then I think that all that anyone can reasonably do here is feel sad for you...

Is it really that hopeless?

It is quite similar to the "overplayed piano works" situation; most people (musician or not) would only know a small part of the repertoire. Being on this forum, and being aware of the availability of sheet music online brings the possibility of finding a great but unknown work.

People are like pieces. I mean they are works of art. Regarding actual conversation, I agree that it is entirely different from a forum... However... I would love to hear a certain piece no matter if it is played live or on CD or on tape or on vinyl.

[m19834]

What I think you are seeking, whilst not actually made unavailable by fora such as this one, cannot be guaranteed as "findable" there; in other words, internet fora can offer no substitute for one-to-one human interaction and even what you may glean about those people who do not seek to conceal too much of themselves in what they write will always be less than would be the case were you to engage in actual conversation with them. So - I don't think that you're after the unattainable so much as looking for something in what is far from the best place to find it!

Best,

Alistair

Well, thank you for your response.  I will say that there is a reason I travel to my mentor to see him in person.  And, while I find that to be very worth the effort, in other real life arenas I have not found what I am looking for even in person.  Which, consequently, is what actually led me to something like this forum in the first place.  In any case, how we choose to conduct ourselves on the internet or in person is largely based on who we are as individuals.  I once told an individual that I am willing to wait even another lifetime for what I am looking for, and I meant it.  However, I suspect that comment made by me about seven years ago, was coming from a limited viewpoint, a limited experience, and perhaps the compelling factor that made me say it is in fact currently changing.  I realize though that in some sense, I am asking for a lot.

Gotta run.

[ahinton]

Well, thank you for your response.  I will say that there is a reason I travel to my mentor to see him in person.  And, while I find that to be very worth the effort, in other real life arenas I have not found what I am looking for even in person.  Which, consequently, is what actually led me to something like this forum in the first place.  In any case, how we choose to conduct ourselves on the internet or in person is largely based on who we are as individuals.  I once told an individual that I am willing to wait even another lifetime for what I am looking for, and I meant it.  However, I suspect that comment made by me was coming from a limited viewpoint, a limited experience, and perhaps the compelling factor that made me say it is in fact currently changing.  I realize though that in some sense, I am asking for a lot.

Gotta run.

For when you've run back(!), I have just two questions. Firstly, do you have just the one mentor for all things in life or several for each of its different aspects? Secondly, do you know what it is that you are looking for? - as it occurs to me that it's easier to find what one is looking for if one first has at least some idea what it is (and I do not mean that frivolously). No obligation to answer, of course; that's up to you to decide.

Best,

Alistair

[go12_3]

    Okay,  here's the bottom line.  This is the first forum I have ever joined because I am interested in piano and music which has been a part of my life.  I have posted several topics, which are new, and I even got to share a piano piece.  I can see what K  and db are conveying in their posts.  Now, I have been around this forum since the end of January.  I was greeted in the chat room by shortyshort, and then later, others( petter, java, americangirl, thal, tds, db05, bella, irove, morningstar,blg, and if I happen to forget anyone, sorry about that!) who have been most friendly.  I almost "see" them everyday.  After knowing some of the members here, then their user names pop out whenever I login and in hopes that I would "see" them in chat or read a post by them.  I think that commication, whatever form it takes, is needful to stay connected.  And it's that connection is what keeps us going here in this forum for those who wants friendships and contacts.
    Those who want to get to know people in the forum has to make the effort, and the effort is to be direct, honest and open in your posts and chat room.  It doesn't mean that we have to disclose everything about our personal lives, but be kind and gracious to those around us.  I can already share my thoughts about some of the members here that I have grown to care about(and that's db) and I have some to find that thal's sense of humor is much needed here,  and I enjoy him.  We need to learn to accept those for who they truly are in the Internet (and in real life).  What we say and do here, is like a community of pianists and musicians.  We can choose to be open or not.  We can't control the thoughts and feelings of other members either.  I appreicate the fact that K has expressed her feelings here in this thread and also, db.  It takes courage to do that with such a large forum.  And it's okay to do that.  I don't get to talk to to a lot of folks in my real life because they are busy, and so this forum has been enjoyable to meet new and diverse people.  

[general disarray]

   Okay,  here's the bottom line.  This is the first forum I have ever joined because I am interested in piano and music which has been a part of my life.  I have posted several topics, which are new, and I even got to share a piano piece.  I can see what K  and db are conveying in their posts.  Now, I have been around this forum since the end of January.  I was greeted in the chat room by shortyshort, and then later, others( petter, java, americangirl, thal, tds, db05, bella, irove, morningstar,blg, and if I happen to forget anyone, sorry about that!) who have been most friendly.  I almost "see" them everyday.  After knowing some of the members here, then their user names pop out whenever I login and in hopes that I would "see" them in chat or read a post by them.  I think that commication, whatever form it takes, is needful to stay connected.  And it's that connection is what keeps us going here in this forum for those who wants friendships and contacts.
    Those who want to get to know people in the forum has to make the effort, and the effort is to be direct, honest and open in your posts and chat room.  It doesn't mean that we have to disclose everything about our personal lives, but be kind and gracious to those around us.  I can already share my thoughts about some of the members here that I have grown to care about(and that's db) and I have some to find that thal's sense of humor is much needed here,  and I enjoy him.  We need to learn to accept those for who they truly are in the Internet (and in real life).  What we say and do here, is like a community of pianists and musicians.  We can choose open to those and not.  We can't control the thoughts and feelings of other members either.  I appreicate the fact that K has expressed her feelings here in this thread and also, db.  It takes courage to do that with such a large forum.  And it's okay to do that.  I don't get to talk to to a lot of folks in my real life because they are busy, and so this forum has been enjoyable to meet new and diverse people.  

 

p.s.  that goes for Karli, too. 

[thalbergmad]

For the record, although you and I have never met, you have heard almost three hours of what I'm about

And about three thousand pages.

[thalbergmad]

Secondly, do you know what it is that you are looking for?

Her sense of humour.

Thal

[ahinton]

And about three thousand pages.

Er - of what?

Best,

Alistair

[m19834]

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