what does reputation mean in the profile?

[ahinton]

This is Nils site and he does what he thinks is best.

People have the right not be happy about it, but they also have the right to leave as well.

Indeed so. I don't get this idea and cannot get involved in it, but I have no reason to leave the forum and can well live with the fact that someone's rating system with which I have little if anything to do happens to exist here and some people seem not to be unhappy with it.

Best,

Alistair

[shortyshort]

I think that we should all just take it as it is until it goes away.

[m]

I think it's just a strange idea in general to have members be "rated" randomly and anonymously, it's just weird, sorry !  And, I think it's strange to build some kind of hierarchy that way. 
 

Another problem, in order to understand the concept one should be on a certain professional level and have a certain knowledge just to be able to grasp the essense of the idea. Let's face it, not every member of this community is on that level, and surprisingly low rating of some members shows that, explicitely.

You know, it is the same as you post something about both Chopin and Liszt were defining technique as an Art of Sound and some freak from pianostreet would say: "What the heck would they know about technique?!!!" (True story    )
 
Best, M

[thierry13]

You know, it is the same as you post something about both Chopin and Liszt were defining technique as an Art of Sound and some freak from pianostreet would say: "What the heck would they know about technique?!!!" (True story    )

Absolutely hilarious one, do you still have the link?

[javacisnotrecognized]

Well, what's the point of numbers if somebody doesn't have the most ?  And, what's the point of the system if gaining the most numbers, or caring how many anyway a person has, doesn't add up to anything ?  I just think it's strange that this place has reduced itself that way.  That's my honest opinion.

I think it was a spur of the moment thing done without consideration for long term effect - look at Youtube comment ratings ..

[m19834]

Another problem, in order to understand the concept one should be on a certain professional level and have a certain knowledge just to be able to grasp the essense of the idea.

Yes, that's very true.  I also feel an urge to point out to anybody who might care about (and have any control over) how the whole reputation system might make things look, that posts ABOUT playing the piano are one thing, and sometimes truly helpful.  But, from a business standpoint, as far as individuals having value within and to the site/forum, no matter how many people are here texting about playing the piano, this place just wouldn't be the same without members who can truly play the pants off of it, too.

[ahinton]

Yes, that's very true.  I also feel an urge to point out to anybody who might care about (and have any control over) how the whole reputation system might make things look, that posts ABOUT playing the piano are one thing, and sometimes truly helpful.  But, from a business standpoint, as far as individuals having value within and to the site/forum, no matter how many people are here texting about playing the piano, this place just wouldn't be the same without members who can truly play the pants off of it, too.

Well, whilst I am not about to doubt a word of what you write here, I have to admit that I could not even begin to play the eyebrows, let alone the pants, off anyone here or anywhere else, given that my pianistic agenda is geared entirely to writing for that magnificent and unique instrument rather than to playing it. I hope nevertheless that what I contribute to this forum is not entirely useless just because I happen not to be any kind of pianist.

Best,

Alistair

[Bob]

You could just start your own thread and keep track of your profile score yourself.  Then the +/- stuff would be open to the public or people could pm you.

That sounds like an awful lot of work though.  And if everyone created their own thread, that would be many threads.  Or even with one thread, everyone bumping it up all the time...


What I would like is tagging.  If everyone could tag threads themselves, they could use those tags to sort threads around for themselves.  Then others might use those tags and search for thread topics better.  And if you could see a cloud of what the most popular tags were for a thread, you could get a quick sense of what the thread's about. 

[m19834]

Well, whilst I am not about to doubt a word of what you write here, I have to admit that I could not even begin to play the eyebrows, let alone the pants, off anyone here or anywhere else, given that my pianistic agenda is geared entirely to writing for that magnificent and unique instrument rather than to playing it. I hope nevertheless that what I contribute to this forum is not entirely useless just because I happen not to be any kind of pianist.

Best,

Alistair

From a business standpoint, it is very desirable to have professional composers here as well.  It is desirable to have professional musicians and otherwise serious musicians of any sort.  And, I think the point is, we probably all hope that our contributions are not entirely useless.  However, this point system, as I have suggested before, indicates that most people's presence here IS pretty much useless.  And, the fact that somebody takes it upon themself(s) to systematically deduct respected member's "reputation" points, or even the fact that a person CAN/has the ability to (anonymously) do something like that is careless, from many perspectives.

Part of why I mentioned about having members here who can really play is because people put so much emphasis in this thing as to exactly what a person posts about in text, and that's fine.  But, as helpful (or not) as that may be, this place would still not be the same without such members as Marik and Koji, for a couple of examples, who have generously shared recordings of their craftmanship.  The fact that the recordings for much of the scores on this site are of intruiging musical quality is similarly a testiment to the members/creators of this site.  The reason this makes all the difference is because this is supposed to be a piano forum, where what we type about is, in the end, supposed to help people to PLAY.  As a private piano teacher, I know that the biggest selling point or attraction for onlookers to my studio is not really what I say, but how the members of my studio play.  Anybody who wants to stay in business knows that, including Bernhard. 

If I were to, say, direct conservatory students or piano institute students here, hearing members play like that helps to give validity to everything this site is about.  It just does.  Yet, the whole reputation system doesn't reflect that kind of value, and the way it is currently being used and the way it is currently set up, it rather cheapens it.  That is part of why I find it a bit of a surprising move.  I also think it's strange that when the site actually has several professional musicians, otherwise serious musicians, regular posters, helpful members in general, that a select few should be distinguished somehow as having the greatest value through something like the reputation system that is currently here.  It just seems kind of rude  .

[nilsjohan]

Thanks everyone, for your valuable input!
One of the purposes with the reputation system is to encourage useful posts but for obvious reasons it has not worked as expected and we have now removed the reputation rating from the profile pages.

Another purpose with it is to collect human-generated ratings about the usefulness of posts which we plan to use in order to improve the relevancy of the forum search feature and our future forum index. This was the first step and we will now work on improving it.

[Petter]

 

[allthumbs]

Thanks everyone, for your valuable input!
One of the purposes with the reputation system is to encourage useful posts but for obvious reasons it has not worked as expected and we have now removed the reputation rating from the profile pages.

Another purpose with it is to collect human-generated ratings about the usefulness of posts which we plan to use in order to improve the relevancy of the forum search feature and our future forum index. This was the first step and we will now work on improving it.

Thank you for removing this. I think for the most part members do try to provide useful posts. One of the problems with the reputation system was that it was anonymous, so you never knew which posts drew a negative or positive response or from whom the votes came.

It would be easy for a couple of members to collaborate to 'throw a wrench into things' and get the responses that were generated by members in the forum, which led to this outcome.

Gaming Force has a 'props and disses' system and that kept track of the positive and negative responses to posts and it not only told you who gave the points, but also to which post it referred.

It was abused there as well (mostly toward the negative), but at least you could see who was dissing you and you could then challenge them as to why they did not like your post.

I prefer the more human touch in that if someone liked your input they would post their encouragement and gratitude.

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[allthumbs]

we have now removed the reputation rating from the profile pages.

I just noticed that the 'Do you find this post useful? Yes / No' option is still in place.

[go12_3]

I just noticed that the 'Do you find this post useful? Yes / No' option is still in place.

I wonder if that had anything to do with the "reputation"  perhaps?

[mikey6]

I can't find 'reputation' anywhere in my profile. Where is it displayed?

[allthumbs]

I wonder if that had anything to do with the "reputation"  perhaps?

I'm guessing you did not give anyone any points.

I can't find 'reputation' anywhere in my profile. Where is it displayed?

It's been taken out.


To wit:

it has not worked as expected and we have now removed the reputation rating from the profile pages.

[m19834]

we have now removed the reputation rating from the profile pages.

Well, since I made such a stink regarding the system, I feel I should respond to its removal from the profile pages, however, thanking you for removing it doesn't seem quite right, either.  What I am grateful for is the fact that I am not being forced to be a part of it in the same way anymore, I am happy that this has become possible.  Thank you.

[keypeg]

I am very relieved to see it go.  I have seen strife and mayhem or in the least, bad feelings, in every discussion forum that has tried to institute such a system.

KP

[giannalinda]

like you can see how people like the person or not. Javas would be...well...id better not say....

[morningstar]

like you can see how people like the person or not. Javas would be...well...id better not say....

Maybe less of the direct insults?...Actually doesn't matter lol

[goldentone]

From a business standpoint, it is very desirable to have professional composers here as well.  It is desirable to have professional musicians and otherwise serious musicians of any sort.  And, I think the point is, we probably all hope that our contributions are not entirely useless.  However, this point system, as I have suggested before, indicates that most people's presence here IS pretty much useless.  And, the fact that somebody takes it upon themself(s) to systematically deduct respected member's "reputation" points, or even the fact that a person CAN/has the ability to (anonymously) do something like that is careless, from many perspectives.

Part of why I mentioned about having members here who can really play is because people put so much emphasis in this thing as to exactly what a person posts about in text, and that's fine.  But, as helpful (or not) as that may be, this place would still not be the same without such members as Marik and Koji, for a couple of examples, who have generously shared recordings of their craftmanship.  The fact that the recordings for much of the scores on this site are of intruiging musical quality is similarly a testiment to the members/creators of this site.  The reason this makes all the difference is because this is supposed to be a piano forum, where what we type about is, in the end, supposed to help people to PLAY.  As a private piano teacher, I know that the biggest selling point or attraction for onlookers to my studio is not really what I say, but how the members of my studio play.  Anybody who wants to stay in business knows that, including Bernhard. 

If I were to, say, direct conservatory students or piano institute students here, hearing members play like that helps to give validity to everything this site is about.  It just does.  Yet, the whole reputation system doesn't reflect that kind of value, and the way it is currently being used and the way it is currently set up, it rather cheapens it.  That is part of why I find it a bit of a surprising move.  I also think it's strange that when the site actually has several professional musicians, otherwise serious musicians, regular posters, helpful members in general, that a select few should be distinguished somehow as having the greatest value through something like the reputation system that is currently here.  It just seems kind of rude  .

Very thoughtful, and very well said.