I do not trust my own compositions.

[loonbohol]

There is a thing that made me doubt my compositions.
You see, A composition have a so-called.
1.) A composite main melody
2.) Chord progressions
3.) Point of Grace (Motif)
4.) Point of apocalypse (Cadenzas).
5.) Point of summary (Riff)

I wonder if there is any possibility for a composite main melody to coincide with a melody from another song.

I care for that.

As for something that I call a melody over a short period.
Compare the chorus of this composition by Ryan Cayabyab.
THe point when do re mi fa sol is played

Then to this composition by a japanese.
Go to youtube and type "Air Gear Opening"
Where in the composition is Do re mi fa sol, Do re mi fa sol.
Only transposed to D major.

THe point is that not the whole composition should coincide.
Do you even wan't that the chorus of your song will be taken from your composition.
Even a part of it will be a case of infringement.

Next I care About chord progressions.

What are the chances that my Chord Progressions coincide with another Chord progressions.
I might get sued to court Just for that.

Next would be the Riff.
What are the chances that My riffs are identical to a certain riff.
I will get sued to court.

How come in the world that Industrial composers are very confident that THey already know that their composition and melody and Chord Progressions won't match to other compositions.

What if the melody I am hearing is just a residual source from an unknown source that I take it as my Compositions.

But I am not.

Based on my Experience, I try to compose a song Based on the Melody from Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu then only to find out that my main melody was from that of Turkish March (Rondo Alla Turca) two years later.

THen I tried to compose a composition which melody is rooted from the Etude Chopin Etude 42(Valse)  out Then only to find out that I a part of my melody is from Gregorov's Waltz in 2/4.

It is a very cool Waltz and It is 2/4 but It makes a good partner to Waltz
even It's 3/4 but it gives an illusion to 2/4.   I do not even Know him very well.

THen someone then said that I am skilled in Atonal music and I even don't know what's Atonal and I do not understand what is Atonal.
What in the world is atonal, Someone in the chatroom said that to me about my old and former compositions.

?    ??

[frank_48]

so your saying just because chopin put in an a minor melodic run at the end of etude no.11 that means me or anyone else isnt allowed to use it?

please..

your over analysis on composition & obsession over composition is quite depressing to be honest. ever heard of starting from the bottom?

do something short and simple, keyword - SIMPLE.

jeez.

[db05]

You worry too much.

THE SEARCH FOR NEW CHORD PROGRESSIONS

You'll probably be glad to read this. Have you ever played a chord progression and wondered if it was something new? You can rest easy. At this point in the development of Western music, every progression of chords has been already been explored, written and used - frequently. One of the reasons you can't copyright a chord progression is that they are one of the building blocks of our music. It's accepted that the chord progression that you use in a new song has been used before at some point. It may be impossible to prove exactly when and where, but it's been done before. Think of the thousands of blues songs that are simply written using G, C and D. The difference in all songs with the same chord progressions boils down to the melody and the lyrics. You need to spend all of your time focusing on those areas and no time at all in a search for a 'new' chord progression. They just don't exist. An additional tip: you might choose progressions that are more unfamiliar to your ears, in order to take your music (riffs, melodies, etc.) to a new place. But you've got to make the determination as to what is unfamiliar and what is too familiar.

Originality - The Holy Grail?
https://www.guitar9.com/satch5.html

[njalli]

you worry to much, i say that to.

i compose alot of my own music too, the thing is: Ofcourse your melody is like someones elses, but thats not in a bad way. Ofcourse ur melody has influence from many other people. i always worried because i thougt it was too like some other melodie.

but good luck composing

[jabbz]

I despair, I really do.

You have absolutely no need to worry about anything like that now. You're just a student, no body cares. If you start making money from your work, then you can worry about plagiarism.  If you want to write new music, and something which HASN'T been done before, why would you use an out-dated tonal system?

[Petter]

I despair, I really do.

You have absolutely no need to worry about anything like that now. You're just a student, no body cares. If you start making money from your work, then you can worry about plagiarism.  If you want to write new music, and something which HASN'T been done before, why would you use an out-dated tonal system?

more bling

[pianowolfi]

Oh my God, I used the BACH theme in one of my compositions. Will now the Bach society sue me for plagiarism?

[pianisten1989]

The former composer must have been dead for atleast 70 (or 90, not remember) years, then you can copy how much you want.

If the composer hasn't been dead for that long, or even is still alive, you are allowed to copy like 7 bars.

You should check that out.

[quantum]

Maybe this is a bit repetitive but, you worry too much 

When we are composing, most of the time we are using the building blocks that have been created by our ancestors.  A lot of the material in a new composition would be fragments of past material.  There is no shame in this. 

If you keep going on the same thinking as you are, one could say you are plagiarizing the person who wrote the major scale, the C major triad, the perfect cadence, etc. 

Write music for the sake of music, not to avoid plagiarism.  Such things should only be a tiny afterthought.  It's almost as if plagiarism as a phobia to you. 

I think you need to work on your composition thought process.  Work on making it more free and flowing.  Instead of starting with a set of restrictions when you compose, just write music - later you can refine your piece. 

Remember that music came before theory.  Music does not have to be confined to a bunch of rules. 

[scottmcc]

you know, kid, you've inadvertently stumbled into one of the bigger obstacles faced by people in all creative fields, namely, that truly creating something new is really, really difficult.  unfortunately, it gets even more difficult every day, because all around you others continue to create things, and for each thing that gets created anew, there is one less new thing for you to create. 

so the question is, how do you become truly unique?  the answer, which many people on here have told you in the past, is to first know what has been done in the past, and then cast all of that off and do something new.  so you'd best start listening to a lot of different music, not because you want to sound like it, but because you want to sound dissimilar to it.

oh yeah...like everyone else has said, don't be too afraid of making allusions to other works, or doing certain things that are similar to things that have been done.  little references like that are seen throughout great art, and are part of what makes it great.  it's when the entire work sounds like something else that you run into trouble.

and another thing...don't be surprised when the majority of the things you write end up in the wastebin.  in photography, they say that you have to shoot an entire roll of film to get one shot that is worth keeping, and the same holds true for music. 

I've come up with a new task for you.  you should write a series of at least 10 variations on a simple and well known work.  pick a simple aria or waltz or something, and then restate that theme in at least 10 different ways.  it'll be harder than you think, and it should unlock a few creative doors for you.

[njalli]

The former composer must have been dead for atleast 70 (or 90, not remember) years, then you can copy how much you want.

If the composer hasn't been dead for that long, or even is still alive, you are allowed to copy like 7 bars.

You should check that out.

'

the Berne thingy says 50 years but some countries have 70

but get to the POINT he doesnt care if he can copie it

i often wonder if my own music is like Franz Schubert, but  when i ask people about it they say its just LIKE franz schubert not LIKE some song he wrote

dont worry.. u get influenced from every song you hear, you not knowing of it. :p

[loonbohol]

Sorry, But the reason is that I am just a 15 year old so I actually do not know what are the laws lawsuits regarding the the business and industry of music.

It is just that I worry to much when it comes to the business of music and music means business so I should not be ignorant to the law because It is not an excuse.

I wan't to learn more on the laws and lawsuits regarding music.

I have constructed my own formula for my own compositions and I even made my own scale (based on the Phrygian scale but the -- & -- note is sharpened).

From what I've heard. There are over 88 modes and scales.

But one last question.
What is the difference of Atonal and accidental.

[njalli]

Oh my God, I used the BACH theme in one of my compositions. Will now the Bach society sue me for plagiarism?

dude ur dead!


this photo is from the nation bach lovers convention... they will come after you dude!

[jabbz]

Go look-up on Youtube Chopin's op10.no2, then check out Xenakis' Synaphai, thats the difference between accidentals and atonality.

[pianowolfi]

dude ur dead!


this photo is from the nation bach lovers convention... they will come after you dude!

Oh my goodness and that only 3 days after the Swiss composer's association has banned me for overusing Dies Irae.....I'm doomed


@jabbz: cool definition

[loonbohol]

Go look-up on Youtube Chopin's op10.no2, then check out Xenakis' Synaphai, thats the difference between accidentals and atonality.

Incredible! I cannot believe that I just can Imagine my full potential in using those Atonality  (Cough).

I mean Locrian.

I used ATonality in my Hinata Opus No.3 and I even know it.

How come I use such types of techniques that I even know It.

[njalli]

Oh my goodness and that only 3 days after the Swiss composer's association has banned me for overusing Dies Irae.....I'm doomed


@jabbz: cool definition

lol i just had to do that 

[jabbz]

Incredible! I cannot believe that I just can Imagine my full potential in using those Atonality  (Cough).

I mean Locrian.

I used ATonality in my Hinata Opus No.3 and I even know it.

How come I use such types of techniques that I even know It.

No, using random notes because you don't know how to use chromatic harmony isn't atonality. An atonal work is a work without a key-centre, not without compositional technique.

[renatog]

Sorry, But the reason is that I am just a 15 year old so I actually do not know what are the laws lawsuits regarding the the business and industry of music.

It is just that I worry to much when it comes to the business of music and music means business so I should not be ignorant to the law because It is not an excuse.

I wan't to learn more on the laws and lawsuits regarding music.

I have constructed my own formula for my own compositions and I even made my own scale (based on the Phrygian scale but the -- & -- note is sharpened).

From what I've heard. There are over 88 modes and scales.

But one last question.
What is the difference of Atonal and accidental.

Yes, that is a valid concern.  However, you should know that part of what you've read so far is true.  You can use a composition in which the composer or the original person/company has been gone for over 70+ years (not sure about that number, it could be 75...).  However, when looking at more contemporary compositions, be careful.  A lot of composers got smart and copyright'ed their compositions under a business entity, which can go on forever. 
If you knowingly use a melody from another composition, make sure it is in the public domain or that you have permission from the composer/publishing company/company/etc if it isn't.  And, repeating what others have said, you can't copyright a chord progression .  I would strongly recommend taking an introductory to music business, it is very helpful to all composers and musicians, even if you are composing symphonic or traditional "classical" music.

Check out these links:
(Copyright issue: Satriani vs Coldplay)
https://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=2968
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/satriani-vs-coldplay-what-do-lawyers-say-186826

(Music Business)
https://www.berkleemusic.com/school/course?course_item_id=2339804&program=music_business&usca_p=t&offer_code=2285
https://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-About-Music-Business/dp/0743293185/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235409306&sr=8-1 (this is a very good book!)

Cheers

[momopi]

You think too much of yourself and your imagined accomplishments. Just relax. 

Or rather, just apply to a music conservatory so you'll know right away where you stand - musically. It's better that way. They'll see how you progress and can give better and more constructive criticisms. 

[healdie]

"sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want , so you need a giant giraffe filled with whipped cream" Frank Zappa

Just my two pence

[loonbohol]

You think too much of yourself and your imagined accomplishments. Just relax. 

You are right minus the word imagined.
Just replace it with plausible.