Piano Forum

Piano Forum »
Piano Board »
Repertoire »
Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto

Pages: [1] Go Down

Topic: Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto (Read 6508 times)

soderlund

PS Silver Member
Full Member
Posts: 126

Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto

on: February 19, 2009, 08:36:56 PM

Okay, I am going to ask a question that might seem very stupid, and I would appreciate to not be bullied for this xD
I am working on Bach's d minor concerto, only first movement for far, and I would like to play Brahms cadenza. The problem is, that I don't know exactly where to put it. Does it go for the third movement, or do you place it in the first? I just don't see any place where you should insert a cadenza without removing some of Bach's own.
If anyone has played it I would appreciate if you could tell me how you did it.

Logged

anda

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 943

Re: Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto

Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 08:05:08 AM

I didn't play a cadenza (other than the mini-one written) - but if you want to play one, it's place is on the fermata marking (at ~ 3/4, you have a fermata on a c# diminished). One word about Brahms' cadenzas (I'm sorry, but I have to say this): all his cadenzas are wonderful pieces of Brahms music. They are great, but have nothing to do with the work they should be a part of - so, as much as I love Brahms, I wouldn't play his cadenzas, and I would advice anyone against playing them.

best luck, you chose a wonderful concerto

Logged

www.youtube.com/andapianist

jory

PS Silver Member
Newbie
Posts: 1

Re: Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto

Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 03:28:49 AM

This is very late, but I came across your question (where does Brahms' cadenza for Bach's d minor concerto go) by chance during a search, and saw the highly incorrect answer by Anda. As you would see if you read the cadenza all the way through, the last several measures are a sort of development of 3rd movement material. In any event, at the end of the third movement, just before the final return to the theme, you will see a r.h. trill on "a." You would start Brahms' cadenza (beginning "g, f, e, d, etc) as a continuation of that trill. At the end of Brahms' cadenza, he leaves you comfortably to finish Bach's cadence formula (immediately following the trill I mentioned). Is that clear? Write me at jory@joryvinikour.com if any questions (I am a harpsichordist much more than a pianist, but still might have advice for you).

All best, and good studies,
Jory

PS You ask not to be bullied! I was much more tempted to bully Anda for giving you a wrong answer!!!

Logged

ramseytheii

PS Silver Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 2488

Re: Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto

Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 12:26:55 AM

Quote from: jory on January 22, 2010, 03:28:49 AM

This is very late, but I came across your question (where does Brahms' cadenza for Bach's d minor concerto go) by chance during a search, and saw the highly incorrect answer by Anda. As you would see if you read the cadenza all the way through, the last several measures are a sort of development of 3rd movement material. In any event, at the end of the third movement, just before the final return to the theme, you will see a r.h. trill on "a." You would start Brahms' cadenza (beginning "g, f, e, d, etc) as a continuation of that trill. At the end of Brahms' cadenza, he leaves you comfortably to finish Bach's cadence formula (immediately following the trill I mentioned). Is that clear? Write me at jory@joryvinikour.com if any questions (I am a harpsichordist much more than a pianist, but still might have advice for you).

All best, and good studies,
Jory

PS You ask not to be bullied! I was much more tempted to bully Anda for giving you a wrong answer!!!

Hi Jory. I have a recording of you playing harpsichord/fortepiano at the home of my friends Phil C. and David P. It's wonderful! Are you planning to come back anytime.

Walter Ramsey

Logged

Sign-up to post reply

Pages: [1] Go Up

For more information about this topic, click search below!

Piano Street Magazine:
A Free Grand Piano? – Scammers Target Piano Enthusiasts

If you’re in the market for a piano, be cautious of a new scam that’s targeting music lovers, businesses, schools, and churches. Scammers are offering “free” pianos but with hidden fees that can add up to hundreds of dollars and, as you may have guessed, the piano will never be delivered. Read more

Piano Forum

Topic: Brahms cadenza for Bach D minor concerto (Read 6508 times)

Piano Street Magazine:A Free Grand Piano? – Scammers Target Piano Enthusiasts

Piano Street Magazine:
A Free Grand Piano? – Scammers Target Piano Enthusiasts