History is repeating

[pianistimo]

How can one be a true musician and only think of music and nothing else?  Is that a well-rounded person.  Can they truly say 'i am a fine musician' and care nothing about what is going on?  Chopin was deeply affected by what happened in Poland.  He was forced to go on - but his heart was with his homeland.  His music expressed his passionate love for Poland.

Does anyone know what is happening here in America?  The people seem to be losing their voice for a better cause.  Change.  The change however, is the acceptance of a New World Order.  To be a small cog in a big wheel.  This was actually prophecied in the bible as the 'Beast' - and an extremist religion will be 'the False Prophet.'  They'll work together to make this system 'effective.'  This means FORCED.  At what cost?  Personal freedoms.  The ones we were given by G-d.

That is WHY G-d is not wanted or mentioned or desired in this New World Order.  It's mainly about the occult.  About symbols, mystery, secrecy.  We need Jesus Christ and light instead of darkness - but people are choosing darkness.  It is just like the days of Noah.  The bible says people chose darkness.  I happen to believe that ancient people were just as smart or smarter than us today and that there is no reason to believe that modern technology is the only indication of 'intellect.'  What about choosing peace under reasonable terms of law - instead of war under unreasonable terms of suppression.

America used to stand for many things - among which was called Christian values.  It meant that we were a 'light on a hill' - and sent to preach the gospel wherever we went by what our actions contributed.  As close back as the 50's we had groups of young people that were committed to making the community and the environment beautiful.  The latest acts by the Boy Scouts in the State of Washington in the 80's and start of 90's was actually to destroy functional camping sites.  How do i know this?  Well, my grandmother was a hiker.  The purpose of destroying the sites was to 'keep the environment.'  But, more and more signage actually was saying that it wasn't just the environment - but that you didn't have complete access to your own state park. 

What we see is the complete invasion of the government into 'owning' everything.  Land, houses, businesses, communities, policing (remember the man who could not go into the hospital when his grandmother was dying- hmmm. that's just strange policy!), anti-American sentiment (putting gitmo detainees back into society to rehabilitate? - teaching students in college that american history is not important).

Now - we have come to an important milestone in history.  If we see the sovereignty of the USA and Britain go down - we see the history of the freedom of the world through the eyes of those who fought on the side of freedom in  WWI and WWII - who cared to down dictatorships - who were 'valiant.'  Sure, Iraq, Vietnam, North Korea and many places want to say 'they are evil' - but what about their own regimes.  They force women, children, whatever - to be convicted before innocence on many low crimes - or have child-labor, and things that happen 'just because' a dictator deems it so.

Does anyone know what happened in Pol Pot's regime?  Some say, but what about Guantanamo!  Provocation had happened wayyy before that.  Do you realize how many Americans were beheaded from the 1970's to now?  On TV sometimes.  Was this for nothing?  How many terrorist acts have been committed through the world and especially in Israel?  The smallest country in the world that I can think of and in the Arabic nations especially.  What are we agreeing with as an international community?  That these dictators now have a role and place in LAW.  Why should they?  They don't respect human rights.  Well, Palestinians are getting their way - so why the fighting continuing?  Because they hate.  Plain and simple.  They have their land - but they WANT MORE.  They want the deaths of all who live in Israel.

Just as the bible says - it will be split in two.  One half 'taken.'  If you live in Israel - you need to know what is going on the USA and Britain - because your best allies are being forced to comply with a system that is not pro-Israel - but anti-Israel, anti-G-d, and anti-Torah.  The Torah is the basis for western law, btw.  It explains our relationship to G-d and is the basis for the start of British law through the Magna Carta.  Anyone heard of that?  It established the right of people to have a FAIR TRIAL.   Does that matter to anyone?  Hmmm. 

Now, we have vague laws - ie internet policing - suspected crimes - and people are randomly assaulted, decapitated, whatever - and it's like 'ho hum.'  Look at the border of Mexico and the USA.  This should be front page news with Janet Napolitano saying something.  But, instead we have Ms. Clinton saying that 'it's partly our fault because we buy the drugs.'  WHO buys the drugs?  Hollywood?  Maybe.  But, on the whole it's that we don't want to spend the effort and money on securing our borders.  Drugs are a good way to ruin a country, but simply shooting, abducting, and killing people is another way.  It used to not be allowed.   

[ahinton]

No. Susan is repeating. And replacing the "o" in "God" with a hyphen sadly does nothing to detract from that sense of repetition.

It gives me less than no pleasure, believe me, to have to admit that your self-chosen period of absence from this forum (as a poster) appears to have bore witness to little or no development on your part towards a welcome desire to depart from the litanies and mantras to which we have all become accustomed in the past. Quite what all of this does for you I do not know; indeed, I think I know even less now than I did previously.

I do not propose to examine your latest screed here in detail, preferring instead to confine my comments to the following.

Your opening remark about Chopin introduces several paragraphs that have no conceivable connection with him, his native land of Poland or his other native land of France where he accomplished most of his work (and from which his father originated) - or, for that matter, with one another.

What follows this non-salvo seems to be just more of the same verbal disjecta membra, peppered as usual with a wearisome and indigestible mix of right-of-centre Americanocentricities and proselytising Bible-thumping in what one might term a stream of semi-consciousness that lubricates only your determination to continue with yet more of it; "like as the hart desireth the water-brooks"? - not this one, for sure!

Never mind long sentences at Guantanamo; here we have even longer ones from Pianistimo.

I admit that some members will have joined this forum since your most recent departure from it as a poster and may therefore be in the privileged position not to have read - or to have ignored - your uniquely unhelpful and uninspiring ramblings; no longer, it would seem.

You yourself admitted that some time ago you received censure for posting too frequently, contributing overlong posts and undue prolixity of utterance from your very particular religious soap-box on this forum, yet almost as soon as the prodigal Susan returns, here we all find ourselves once again enmeshed in yet another tiresome plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose situation.

All I ask is what drives your obsession (clinical or otherwise) to persist in this kind of expression?

And to cap it all, you end with a split infinitive...

Best,

Alistair

[mephisto]

What we see is the complete invasion of the government into 'owning' everything.  Land, houses, businesses, communities, policing

Yeah I know! Only a completly mad person would deny that the US has become a communist nation! It is probably because Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim.

Islam  - and I can proof this without any doubt - is the religion of satan. And as we all know Satan - God curse his name! - created communism as a religion to destroy the FREE World. He almost succeeded. Luckily the FREE WORLD destroyed communism and helped God. So Satan - God curse his name! - invented a new false religion called Islam. This was in 2001. Now it is 2009 and Barack HUSSEIN Obama is in power If we don't destroy Islam like we did communism, muslims will count for 84 % of humanity in 2011 and will rule the world

We have to fight! And:
YES WE CAN!

[term]

Does anyone know what is happening here in America?  The people seem to be losing their voice for a better cause.  Change.  The change however, is the acceptance of a New World Order.  To be a small cog in a big wheel.  This was actually prophecied in the bible as the 'Beast' - and an extremist religion will be 'the False Prophet.'  They'll work together to make this system 'effective.'  This means FORCED.  At what cost?  Personal freedoms.  The ones we were given by G-d.

That is WHY G-d is not wanted or mentioned or desired in this New World Order.  It's mainly about the occult. 

Rest assured, many people know what's going on in america. What i wonder is what you really know about the 'occult'.

Btw, I think your rant is way too long and you're mixing too many issues together. The way you write is like when you take all kinds of different foods, and throw them all into one big pot and make a milky soup out of it, and then present it here on the forum - that's how your post looks like. It's too random. First music, then chopin, america, nwo, bible, prophets, occult, freedoms. Darkness, noah, war. Christian values, greatness of america. Government ownership, anti-americanism, sovereignty, foreign policy. Guantanamo, pol pot, terrorism, Arabia. Israel, Palestine, god. Supression, borders, drugs.

What you didn't do is actually connecting all those issues in one meaningul post/essay.
You do have a couple of relevant points, but you can't articulate them. Edit: Or, let's say, you should articulate them better. ;o)

[pianistimo]

OK.  Here's one issue for you.  Straight and direct.  Obama is now speaking in Turkey to a group of students at a college.  He says 'you all should be allowed to be part of the European Union.'  And, guess what?!  One of their OWN people stands up and says - but what about the Armenian genocide.  Should Sarkozy say that is unimportant to the joining of the European Union.  So...Obama sidesteps the genocide - politely - and says YES - i think Turkey should be part of the union.  After all, they are a part of NATO already.  What kind of reasoning is that?  I mean - do we want NATO committing genocides (hmm. what happened to georgia? nobody cares).

I'm saying - you can watch 'the King and I' a thousand times repeated in our own modern day political machinations.  And, for the record - I don't know much about the occult excepting that Hitler was big into it.  He used the 'forces of evil' with much expertise with the help of his right hand man.  There are many people today who think that it will help empower the One World Order to do things much the same way that Hitler did (and it is doing exactly that).  The same end results - destroy.  It's all about chaos and destruction.

I don't need to study the occult to know that it's completely evil.  You think Bush was evil.  You want to know evil - know Satan. His plans are for the destruction of the HUMAN race - not just one race or the other.  But, he uses alternative tatics copying the peaceful mannerisms of Jesus Christ.  Look at Osama bin Laden.  He looks like a peaceful enough person.  But, he's planning war and destruction.  I know there is much evil on all sides - I'm not disputing that America and other allies have done their own share of evil.  But, I'm saying - 'what are the tactics and motives of the government now?'  Are they for sharing the wealth or taking the wealth and giving it to a more powerful government than their own - as a means of appeasement.   Why should we be pawns in a larger game not even our own?

Mephisto, You can speak for yourself about Islam.  I'm not sure where you are serious and where you are joking.  2001 seems a bit recent since the Prophet Muhammad lived about 800 or so AD didn't he?  Have to look it up again - but he was a bit of a copy cat in that he copied some of the ideals of the bible and yet said that the angel Gabriel gave him this dream to take some of the land of Israel (which was given to Israel in the bible by G-d to Abraham) and namely the capital.  Jerusalem.  Forget Mecca for a moment.  The purpose of obtaining and owning Jerusalem is to say 'the promises are nothing.'  But, the Word of the Lord stands forever and Jerusalem will be the capital of the world and Jesus Christ will reign there in the future.  I believe that Satan knows that.  Yes.  However, I do not think all Muslims are wrong or evil.  I think they are brothers to the Jews.  Muslims and Jews SHOULD live in peace.  But, not under their own terms - but G-d's terms.  He created things equal.  Twelve sons (princes) of Ishmael - twelve sons of Jacob.  He divided up the land of Canaan and gave it to the tribes of Israel.  He also carefully planned the land that Ishmael's sons were to have and said these lands are for these peoples forever.  I can find the place in the bible of reference - but there is no unfairness in G-d.  He rules.  Forever.  This is temporary.

[quasimodo]

Do you think USA should be excluded from NATO until they recognize the genocide of native americans?

[term]

OK.  Here's one issue for you.  Straight and direct.  Obama is now speaking in Turkey to a group of students at a college.  He says 'you all should be allowed to be part of the European Union.'  And, guess what?!  One of their OWN people stands up and says - but what about the Armenian genocide.  Should Sarkozy say that is unimportant to the joining of the European Union.  So...Obama sidesteps the genocide - politely - and says YES - i think Turkey should be part of the union.  After all, they are a part of NATO already.  What kind of reasoning is that?  I mean - do we want NATO committing genocides (hmm. what happened to georgia? nobody cares).

I agree with him. What relevance does the genocide have to the question whether turkey should be a member of the EU. The EU is a club of profiteers, and turkey is valuable in terms of geopolitics; relevant because of the bosporus, trade, bridge to the middle east, relevant because of proximity to russia. Let's not pretend anything. The EU isn't a honorable round table of western christian culture, they have political & economic interests, they profit from the trade union and they don't care about christianity or islam if it furthers their cause. It's legitimate to consider inviting turkey into the EU.

I don't need to study the occult to know that it's completely evil. 

Question is still, what do you actually know about the occult - what it is, what it means, and what it includes or doesn't include. 'Hitler + evil' is not enough by any standard.
But ok, since you said you don't know a lot, here's what I know. First, definition:
"The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden"."
It can also refer to esoteric forces behind things, but that's a different aspect. It includes theosophy, astrotheology, gnosticism, views on the origins of religion, paganism, to some extent sacred geometry; and alternative spiritual teachings like luciferianism, kabbalah, magick and generally speaking different philosophies. Part of that are works from crowley, blavatsky, pike, at least the ones i heard of. Famous symbols are: the 5 pointed star, the pyramid with an eye, the owl, baphomet, the snake, the tree of life, and so on.

[pianistimo]

That is a good question - and frankly I do believe the USA did an evil thing by genocide and moving Native Americans to reservations.  However, the government has given a lot more assistance to Native Americans than the Armenians ever got.  The extinction of some races of NAtive Americans, however, is unexcusable.  But, we are in the modern age and there is more racism towards white Americans than any other race in the fact that we do not receive government assistance for college or anything else on the basis of race.

And, today, in this modern age - we have the forms of political governance (or used to) that is based on freedom for all.  Thanks to President Lincoln and those that followed - the ideals of freedom have resulted in the absoluteness of a non-racial bias in even becoming President of the USA.  The danger in thinking that we can also do away with magna carta based law ideals is that racism will reappear even uglier than before.  However, there is also the ideal that all races should become one - and that intermarriage is crucial to a 'One World Order.'  In this manner, integration may be just as important as genocides to this order.

Back to US history - the biggest change for the Indians came about when they heard about the one true G-d.  They had no bible to read, and they often offerred prayers and sacrifices to their various gods in hopes of healing or success with war/peace with other tribes and with the whites.  Some forced the Indians to be baptized - but others felt that the Indians needed to know and be able to make their own choices.  One such man was John Eliot.  He came over to America in 1631 and preached in the colony of MA.  He learned the language of the Massachusetts Indians and began to translate the bible into their tongue.  It took him nearly thirty years of patient work.  All that time he was preaching and teaching as well.  His bible was one of the first books printed in America and many of his 'praying Indians' learned to read in it.

Roger Williams was another missionary to the Indians.  He left a large colony in 1636 to set up his own colony.  Usually the Indians would kill a white man who lived by himself because whites had been stealing the Indians' land.  This man was different.  He soon became friends because he treated them fairly and offerred to buy land instead of taking it.  Moreover, he saw that they were in need of the gospel just as much as anyone else and for many years he taught the Indians and witnessed to them about Christ.

David Brainerd was a brilliant bibilical scholar in the early 1700's and left his comfort and security of New England to spend his life preaching to the Indians in the wilderness.  His hard work and poor conditions where he lived caused him to die when he was only 29.  He gave his life to share the message of salvation to the Indians.  John Wesley also brought the good news of salvation to the Indians.  He was amazed at the Indians desire to learn more about the Word of G-d.  One Indian told him 'We would not be made Christians as the Spaniards make Christians; we would be taught before we are baptized.'

Sequoyah, a Cherokee Indian who lived in North Carolina often wished his people could read and write the way the white men could - so he created a syllabary with 86 symbols.  Each symbol stood for a sound in the Cherokee language.  Before this, most of the Indian languages were only spoken.  The Cherokee Indians quickly learned to read and write and the NEw testament was translated.

Jim Thorpe, the great-great grandson of chief Black Hawk, became one of America's greatest atheles of all time.  He had abilities in many kinds of sports including wrestling, running, pitching, football, and his school was soon beating the best college teams of the nation.  He went to the Olympics in 1912 and at that time was considered the world's best athlete.

Many places and names of Indians sites are still preserved (many are not, also - and that is a shame) - and there are innumerable names of states, towns, lakes, rivers - that are named for Indian tribes and people.  Much effort has been put into protecting native ways  - although, at the same time - the native peoples have been going further from traditional ways and more towards modern.  The problem is that even the tribal elders are saddened by the lack of respect of the younger towards the elder and learning their 'fathers' ways of hunting and fishing, etc.  The cruelty of killing animals (torturing first sometimes) was never a traditional way of hunting.  This isn't a particular thing to Indians - but all hunters alike.  We have one side that protects animals completely from hunting, another that wants to hunt and maintain the proper balance of animals to humans, and the last way is the way of those that don't care about the environment/animals at all.

Thanks, Term, for the help on understanding what the occult really means!

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Yeah I know! Only a completly mad person would deny that the US has become a communist nation! It is probably because Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim.

Islam  - and I can proof this without any doubt - is the religion of satan. And as we all know Satan - God curse his name! - created communism as a religion to destroy the FREE World. He almost succeeded. Luckily the FREE WORLD destroyed communism and helped God. So Satan - God curse his name! - invented a new false religion called Islam. This was in 2001. Now it is 2009 and Barack HUSSEIN Obama is in power If we don't destroy Islam like we did communism, muslims will count for 84 % of humanity in 2011 and will rule the world

We have to fight! And:
YES WE CAN!

Brilliant. Absolutely hilarious.

[pianistimo]

It's not hilarious if you live in the USA, Britain, or Israel.  You see, the intent is the absolute destruction of the promises of G-d and specifically the USA, Britain, certain European nations that claim this historical connection and Israel.  The promises to people of Israel (before the land of Israel was named - the Israelites lived there).  They were not just made up of jews, btw.  And, they migrated along the caucaus mountains - and were later named 'caucasians' for this great east, north, west migration and finally to Britain, Ireland, and later the USA. 

We don't even know where we came from at this time of Passover, but our nations came from Jacob and specifically from Joseph and Aseneth's son's Ephraim and Manasseh - who's sons, btw, also came out of  Egypt at the time of the Exodus.  History testifies to the truth of this - as well as our own Dna. There were 12 tribes of Israel as well as the two sons Jacob adopted as his own (Ephraim and Manassah) from his son Joseph.

Race is not the issue here - but it is the idea of 'manifest destiny' that got us to where we are today.  Abraham was promised something!  That is why certain people think the bible should be destroyed. Genesis 17:1-5 'Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to to Abram and said "I am G-d Almighty; walk before Me, and be blameless.  And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you exceedingly."  And Abram fell on his face, and G-d talked with Him, saying, "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations.  No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations."

Guess what - these are the nations of Esau and Jacob (and earlier Ishmael and Issac).  The blessing fell usually to the firstborn -but remember Esau?  He sold his bowl of soup for his birthright.  That is why the troubles down to today.  If he had kept his birthright - he would own Israel.

[jlh]

Yeah I know! Only a completly mad person would deny that the US has become a communist nation! It is probably because Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim.

Islam  - and I can proof this without any doubt - is the religion of satan. And as we all know Satan - God curse his name! - created communism as a religion to destroy the FREE World. He almost succeeded. Luckily the FREE WORLD destroyed communism and helped God. So Satan - God curse his name! - invented a new false religion called Islam. This was in 2001. Now it is 2009 and Barack HUSSEIN Obama is in power If we don't destroy Islam like we did communism, muslims will count for 84 % of humanity in 2011 and will rule the world

We have to fight! And:
YES WE CAN!

lol serious?

Where do I begin... maybe short and sweet:

Communism a religion?  I always thought of it as a socioeconomic structure and political ideology...

Was it communism or Islam that was invented by Satan in 2001?  Or was it that we destroyed communism in 2001?

And... um... if we don't destroy Islam by 2011 Muslims will rule the world?

Is this another way of saying "kill all fidels"?

 

[ronde_des_sylphes]

His post was obviously satirical in intent. Pianistimo, do you watch Fox News?

[pianistimo]

Fox News didn't even cave in on the 'natural born citizen issue.'  What kind of patriots do we have here.  Well, one grandmother is dead - and the other one seems to be sort of a non-existant one in terms of being invited to the white house.  Perhaps she spoke with too much honesty or something?  Something to the effect that she saw him born in Mombasa.  This was also, confirmed, then denied by local officials.  Well, in any case - the cert is locked up so we know it is safe. Someday, someone besides an official in Hawaii will have access to it.  I think Cheney left it in Biden's top drawer  of his desk.

Who cares at this point right?  We have David Axelrod to fix things.  Even his names sounds like a 'fixer.'  The way they fix things in Chigaco is with the mob.  Bill Ayers type people.  Well, that's all for today.  Signing off. 

At this time of year I prefer to look forward 10 or so years when hopefully  Jesus Christ will have returned to fix this mess.  And, don't tell me it isn't a mess.  We're headed for a real disaster and it's like the Titanic.  For one thing, we don't have enough money to pretend that we are in a 'recovery.'  Do you know that just today they mentioned that it was thought a few years back that Social Security would run out in 10 years.  Now, it's like - 'well, probably next year.'  Already, there are so many things on a tightwire.  Inflation, big time - for all the play money getting printed.

At least First Lady Michelle Obama has the good sense to direct people to creating Victory Gardens.  Perhaps it's a sign.

[quasimodo]

I'm sorry to have to say it, but pianistimo,
YOU
ARE
AN
IDIOT

[pianistimo]

OK.  Read this and consider who's being duped:

Come on, guys, can’t we get the message straight on this one?

Yesterday I noted that Rahm Emanuel had said that Obama saw the AIG fiasco as a “big distraction” from efforts to fix the economy. Later in the day, Obama walked that back, asserting that the public was right to be “angry” about the whole mess and right to find it “consuming.”

Today, another senior Obama adviser, David Axelrod, is throwing in his lot with Rahm and the AIG-isn’t-a-huge-deal camp:

    “People are not sitting around their kitchen tables thinking about AIG,” Axelrod said. “They are thinking about their own jobs.”

So are people upset about this, or aren’t they? Actually, people are thinking about the AIG disaster. Yesterday’s Gallup poll found that a big majority is very upset about it. Only 11% said they are “not particularly bothered” by it.

Again, this just seems weird politically. Why pretend that folks aren’t pissed off about this at a time when Republicans are moving aggressively to paint Obama as too passive on the issue and position themselves as the outraged and heroic defenders of the taxpapers?

Update: David Kurtz says: “I honestly don’t get what up-side they see politically in taking this tack.” He suggests that it’s “tone deaf.” Agreed on both counts.

[pianistimo]

Just to set the record straight - I'm thinking that if we leave G-d out of our nations policies - then we should expect corruption.  That's all i'm saying.

[term]

Just to set the record straight - I'm thinking that if we leave G-d out of our nations policies - then we should expect corruption.  That's all i'm saying.

Isn't separation of church and state built in and derived from the constitution of your country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

[db05]

Why are you so afraid of the occult? Doesn't it ever occur to you that the devil delights in these religious wars, and people being limited by Christian beliefs? I think there are a lot of good people out there, with different beliefs and practices, that you call occult.

[thalbergmad]

Just to set the record straight - I'm thinking that if we leave G-d out of our nations policies - then we should expect corruption. 

Leave him in and you should expect murder.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Pianistimo says "history is repeating".

Well, I agree.

She returns to the forum after a lengthy absence and it's a "god jesus new world order muslim communism terrorists UN israel jews obama" rant all over again. We've heard it all before.

Pianistimo, I'm sure you can find more positive ways to contribute to the forum. 

[ahinton]

Pianistimo says "history is repeating".

Well, I agree.

She returns to the forum after a lengthy absence and it's a "god jesus new world order muslim communism terrorists UN israel jews obama" rant all over again. We've heard it all before.

Pianistimo, I'm sure you can find more positive ways to contribute to the forum. 

I daresay that it true, but will she do so?

History isn't repeating. History is bunk. I know that must be true beause it was said by a very famous American.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

Db05,

I'm sure that you are aware that the Catholic Church fights very hard for it's rights, not only in the past in America and other countries but also now in the European Union.  Don't other religious faiths deserve the same consideration?  Or, is religious freedom losing ground?

In America, in the 20 years following the Civil War, the number of Catholic children attending public schools was a constant source of anxiety to the american bishops.  In 1875 officials in Rome whose authority extended to the Church in America (hmm.  this gives pause for thought - because only people themselves can give a church such authority) pointed out that both the bishops and parents had a serious obligation to see that Catholic children did not attend schools where they would be in danger of losing their faith.

The third plenary council met at Baltimore nine years later and worked out  the following: 'Therefore, we not only exhort Catholic parents...but we COMMAND them with all the authority in our power, to procure a truly Christian education for their dear offspring...and further, to defend and secure all of them from the dangers of secular education during the whole time of their infancy and childhood; and finally, to send them to Catholic, and especially parochial schools.'

Now...if Catholics have this right (and sometimes funded by the government, I might add - at least in bussing situations  - but often with traded medical center and catholic services being the trading issue) then shouldn't other religions have a right?  This was understood by the Catholic church right after the Civil War until now.  Who is actually controlling WHICH RELIGION IS GIVEN FAVOR.  This ISN't religious freedom.

[pianistimo]

In terms of 'shut up' - no, I don't think that anyone has a right to say 'you speak too freely, you are talking about 'nono' subjects.'  Patrick Henry is my hero.  Give me liberty or death.  All this 'nicey nicey' let's be nice while the dictators begin a systematic cleansing.  You can take it to the toilet.  This is an entire COUNTRY/IES that we are talking about.  FREEDOM MEANS ABSOLUTE FREEDOM.  Not half baked, ninny sissy 'let me ask permission' - 'can i have a 3/4 piece of toilet paper, please?'

What does the word 'international waters' mean to you?  Pirating. Yep.  Who's controlling it?  The pirates.  Woopee.  Do you want to be a pirate too? Argh.

Well, all I'm saying is that if you rely too long and hard on any government - it becomes corrupt and ends up with a bunch of shoes in the closet (ie remeber Imelda)?  As I hear it, the pope has a bunch too.  The outfits have to match.

This is what I want:  FREEDOM TO DO AND BE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.  IS that so hard?  William Penn refused to take his hat off even for court judges.  He said he was as good as any other man.  And, who could argue that?  We're all made in G-d's image.  Who is great 'OZ' now?

[db05]

Db05,

I'm sure that you are aware that the Catholic Church fights very hard for it's rights, not only in the past in America and other countries but also now in the European Union.  Don't other religious faiths deserve the same consideration?  Or, is religious freedom losing ground?

I don't need to study the occult to know that it's completely evil.

Sounds like you don't want religious freedom either.

For the record, I've practically given up being Catholic or Christian. It was more trouble than it was worth. I think everyone deserves to choose their own beliefs and religion.

PS. I suggest you try talking to illuminist in the chat if he's online. I think you will find someone good to discuss with. The rest of us are tired of this now, I think.

[pianistimo]

But, you have to understand - we're not under G-d anymore - so the religions can be from Zen Buddism to worship of Satan.  WHO ARE YOU WORSHIPPING.  Is it the true G-d.  There is a difference you know!

The difference is that only the True G-d can hear or do anything.  The others are stone and the latter is the  'god of this world.'  He doesn't want people to come to the true knowledge of the true G-d because that would destroy evil and chaos.  The true G-d is for light, peace, and true freedom/happiness.

What is it about demon possession that is great?  Maybe people like Hitler?  He was into the occult.  It's really great.  hmm?  The holocaust?  It was a religious idea.  I don't think G-d (the true G-d) is so free as to let his enemies escape from the plans he has for them.  Satan and his minions will be bound for a thousand years.  Maybe G-d thinks that religious freedom is freedom to worship the CREATOR.  Not the 'creator of evil.'

I think people are skeptical of G-d BECAUSE of Satan.  He has ruled unjustly for many years through world dominions.  Nebuchadnezzar saw all the great powers represented in a figure of a statue in his dream.  The last were the 10 toes of clay and iron.  Could it be that is the EU?  Could be?!  Loosely held together but a world power nontheless.  Do you want them to dictate how you live, who you will worship, how you buy/sell?  Just know that evil will be fully understood when it is fully grown.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

FREEDOM MEANS ABSOLUTE FREEDOM. 

...

This is what I want:  FREEDOM TO DO AND BE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE. 

"Where the state begins, individual liberty ceases, and vice versa."

I would never have thought it. *Passes pianistimo some Bakunin*

[pianistimo]

Is that a form of tax relief?

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Is that a form of tax relief?

  !

[general disarray]

Well, all I'm saying is that if you rely too long and hard on any government - it becomes corrupt and ends up with a bunch of shoes in the closet (ie remeber Imelda)?  As I hear it, the pope has a bunch too.  The outfits have to match.

LOL!  This is priceless.  The Pope with Jimmy Choo shoes to match his vestments!

Reminds me of that old joke about Tallulah Bankhead at a Catholic Mass.  Tallulah to the priest passing by her down the aisle:

"Love the dress, darling, but your purse is on fire."

[retrouvailles]

There's one part of history that is sure to repeat: pianistimo will get banned again, go on another few-month hiatus of peace and quiet in this forum, and then return like nothing happened, back to her old evangelist ways and all. It's only a matter of time before Nils gets pissed off again.

[aslanov]

The difference is that only the True G-d can hear or do anything.  The others are stone and the latter is the  'god of this world.'  He doesn't want people to come to the true knowledge of the true G-d because that would destroy evil and chaos.  The true G-d is for light, peace, and true freedom/happiness.

Few questions for piantis-w/e-o:

1)how do u know which is the true god? what proof do u have that allows u to make which religion's god is true. no evasive answers please, just a straightforward response. no BS. im getting quite sick of it
2)IF it turns out u prove to me that ur christian god is the one true god, how do u go about telling those billions of others they are wasting their time when their justification for the existence of their god is EXACTLY the same as yours?
3)"He doesn't want people to come to the true knowledge of the true G-d because that would destroy evil and chaos" oh how horrible would that be, lets not get rid of evil and chaos, lets let evil and chaos continue, thats how a true god should think. lets toy with all these peoples lives, but remember "HE loves you". so here's my question on that topic. why the @#$% would he do that? whats the POINT?!
AND this leads back to my first question. if he doesnt want you to know who the true god is.......i'd say your wasting your time arent u? as all religious people are, cuz ur not sure if who your worshipping is the true god or not.

now that im done my question, onto my comments.

plantainimo - you are wasting ur time, and if you do this outside of this forum, then i'd say your life. stop it, do something productive. this is not productive.

that just reminded me of stephen fry on critics "why would anyone be a critic. lets say a critic dies, and is at the gates of heaven and st. peter asks, so....what did you do with your life? ...i umm...told people what they were doing wrong with their lives. st. peter responds. 'thats it?! you get this beautiful life and thats all u do?!'"
something along those lines.

my point is, life and the world itself is to grand to waste on something as ambiguous and pointless as preaching. so piss off, twat.

as always, my one and only post on these types of threads.
good day

[pianistimo]

Dear Aslanov,

In Mein Kempf - it's basically a systematic approach of killing the 'enemy' (those one hates) by various means and ways.  In the bible - however, G-d starts with two people - Adam and Eve - and not darwins chimpanzees.  The survival of the fittest isn't mentioned.  Do you know why?  BECAUSE WE ALL CAME FROM THE SAME TWO PEOPLE.  That's a peaceful start in itself.  We all have the same general human Dna makeup (with variations of course) and we all came from the same Eve.  This makes for a much more peaceful start to a book that is about millenial rule.  Also, the Lord said to 'be kind to your enemies.  Do good to them.'  The Third Reich was supposedly peaceful at the end - but at what cost?  Freedom to think and do right freely.  He started making himself into a god and thought he was no longer mortal.  That is crazy in the head and much worse than your so-called 'evangelical Christians.'

Btw, I am not what one would call evangelical because i am not what you would call a mainstream Christian or mainstream anything.  It is better to read and think for yourself - and be like the Bereans who searched the scriptures and proved what preachers taught and made sure it was what Jesus Christ himself said.  For instance, there is no place in the bible that speaks about Jesus being ressurrected on Sunday!  People say - but what about mention of the Sabbath that he was killed before.  That was a HIGH Sabbath.  The beginning of the Jews HIGH Sabbath and that was probably around AD31 or in thereabouts - which would have been a high Sabbath on Thursday (the start of the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread - after the Passover that evening).

In AD 31 there were several GREAT earthquakes of biblical proportions.  So- I believe He died on a Wednesday afternoon, was in the tomb Wed eve/Thurs morn (one jewish day - starting in evening), Thurs eve/Fri morn (two days), Friday eve/Saturday morn) and ressurrected at about the same time that he died 3 pm - when a great earthquake rolled away the stone as it began to dawn (or as the jewish day reckoning approached which was evening and morning - like the first day of creation) on the eve of Sunday or what we call Saturday night.

  He was risen just as he prophecied his own ressurrection 'God, God, Lord of the Sabaoth.'  or Eli, Eli, Lama Sabathani.  You see the true G-d doesn't change.  He was Lord of the Sabbath of the 10 commandments, Lord of the Sabbath of Creation, and Lord of the Sabbath of the rest in the millenium.  He is literally, Lord of Rest - and gives us rest from our burdens.  Also, Jesus gave up His Spirit 'into your hands I commit my Spirit' - to G-d and G-d kept His Spirit.  So...literally, there is eternal LIFE with G-d.  There is NO DEATH!  How would you like to literally never have died since you can be ressurrected to life again?

OK.  So we come around to the reason and purpose of all this posting.  Well, if you believe that Jesus was also ressurrected - then there is the distinct possibility that we as humans can also be cleansed, purified, die, and also be ressurrected.  In fact, even after the ressurrection of Jesus, he appeared to Mary in bodily form.  He showed us how it looks and what it is like to be ressurrected.  Like the form of angels except we will be 'higher than the angels.'  Perhaps this is what bothers Satan who was made an archangel?  Jesus also promised to us the comfort of the Holy Spirit until we make this change.  Luke 24:49 'and behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.'

Now, if you don't believe in G-d, angels, devils - whatever - then this thread should have no meaning to you.  You should be laughing and really having a good joke.  But, many people take this as seriously as I do.  Perhaps because they acknowledge the spirit realm by having tasted it.  There are two sides to it.  You have the side where you are controlled expressely by demons.  And, the other side, where you can choose to use the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit generally is not a possessive kind of Spirit - but can fill the mind to connect with the Most High as a fully charged cell phone of sorts.  You pray - and you feel the connection.  That G-d is listening.  It brings much more euphoria than any human connection.  It is really a 'charge.'  It is full of power.  Supreme power.  I mean if G-d created this whole creation and we are only a little bit of it - what has He continued to do.

He said 'I go and create a place for you, and where I go ...you cannot - but I will return....'  So - He's going to return. You have to be READY.  That means start now.  Start listening to the Spirit of G-d.  It is there when you ask for help.  When you ask to know Him and learn from Him.  To read the bible and become familiar with what it actually says!  It's written in all languages now.  And, there is no judgement or condemnation for the righteous when they are pronouced 'clean' by G-d.  That is why He said that he was calling all to the marriage supper - but at the last minute would go out into the STREETS and call people off the streets because those who were INVITED never showed up.  This is a wedding ceremony and a huge blessed event. 

[thalbergmad]

In AD 31 there were several GREAT earthquakes of biblical proportions.  So- I believe He died on a Wednesday afternoon, was in the tomb Wed eve/Thurs morn (one jewish day - starting in evening), Thurs eve/Fri morn (two days), Friday eve/Saturday morn) and ressurrected at about the same time that he died 3 pm

3pm eh, is that GMT?

Did Peter have a Rolex or perhaps a wrist sundial? Even better, he might have kept a candle burning under his tunic and when his pubes caught fire he knew it was 3pm.

Not sure timekeeping in the first century was that accurate.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

In the bible - however, G-d starts with two people - Adam and Eve - and not darwins chimpanzees.  The survival of the fittest isn't mentioned.  Do you know why?  

Probably because Darwin's theory was written slightly after AD1. I know your history is pretty sh*t, but this is amazing.

Anyway, the sandal wearing, yak herding, prostitute stoning desert dwellers that put together this Bible of yours, would not have the capability of understanding it.

Thal

[term]

Pianistimo...you're in the wrong century. In the middle ages people would have applauded you for your unlimited zeal to preach.

[db05]

Pianistimo...you're in the wrong century. In the middle ages people would have applauded you for your unlimited zeal to preach.

She lives in the Dark Ages.

[arensky]

Is that a form of tax relief?

ROFLMFAO


 Sort of 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakunin

[pianistimo]

Oh.  I see, Bakunin.  Ok. Quoted in KMFDM's song "Stray Bullet" from their album Symbols, specifically the quote "even if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him."  not sure I agree with his philosophies!  Also, he was a bit of an anti-semite.

Jesus was sent to be crucified according to the gospel of Mark (15:25) at the third hour.  This was, in roman times, likely 9 am.  This was after his beating and carrying the cross which probably happened at 6 am to 9 am. Mark mentions that the sun and moon went dark from noon until Jesus died at the ninth hour, which is likely 3 pm roman time.  It would have to be before sunset, since the Jews were not allowed to work or carry/bury the dead after the Sabbath - especially a High Sabbath (Passover evening - and the first day of Unleavened Bread - according to the Exodus command of the seven day Feast).

Well, for you who are more scholarly and need evidence...there's always the evidence of a huge flood moving boulders that hit Herod's temple.  His temple was right in the time frame of Jesus life and surely would have been one of the things affected by the earthquakes that hit when Jesus Christ died and when He was ressurrected.  His temple has been excavated several times since i think 1996 or even before.

Here are a few of the findings on Herod's grave more recently:
Excavations confirm King Herods grave is at Herodium
November 20th, 2008 - 12:50 pm ICT by ANI -

Washington, Nov 20 (ANI): Excavations at Herodium, an area close to Jerusalem, have provided archaeologists with further assurances that this was indeed the site of Herods grave, who was the Roman-appointed king of Judea from 37 to 4 B.C.E.

Herod was renowned for his many monumental building projects, including the reconstruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, the palace at Masada, the harbor and city of Caesarea, as well as the palatial complex at Herodium, 15 kilometers south of Jerusalem.

On the basis of a study of the architectural elements uncovered at the site, researchers have been able to determine that the mausoleum, among the remains of which Herods sarcophagus was found, was a lavish two-story structure with a concave-conical roof, about 25 meters high, a structure fully appropriate to Herods status and taste.

The excavations there have also yielded many fragments of two additional sarcophagi, which the researchers estimate to have been members of Herods family.

The mausoleum, according to Professor Ehud Netzer, director of the excavations, was deliberately destroyed by the Jewish rebels who occupied the site during the First Jewish Revolt against the Romans, which started in about 66 C.E.

Also found in the latest excavations are the remains of an intimate theater just below and to the west of the mausoleum, with seats for some 650 to 750 spectators, and a loggia (a kind of VIP viewing and hospitality room), located at the top of the theater seats and decorated with wall paintings and plaster moldings in a style that has not been seen thus far in Israel.

The style is known to have existed in Rome and Campania in Italy and is dateable between 15 and 10 B.C.E.

So far, only one wall painting scene has been found intact, though there are traces of others in the room. .

According to Professor Netzer, the dating of the wall paintings makes it reasonable to assume that the construction of the theater might be linked to Roman general and politician Marcus Agrippas visit to Herodium in 15 B.C.E.

Netzer said that Herodium would never have been built had it not been for Herods known determination, made at the beginning of his career, to be buried in this isolated, arid area.

He undoubtedly personally chose the exact location for his mausoleum since it overlooks Jerusalem and its surroundings, Netzer suggested.

This led to his decision to make the entire complex the crowning glory of his remarkable building career and to name it after himself. (ANI)

[thalbergmad]

Oh, i see.

Herod's temple was flooded and that proves Jesus died on the cross.

It all just falls into place.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Hmm, pianistimo still online.

I predict a gigantic pile of crap to be posted soon.

Thal

[pianistimo]

No.  Jesus was crucified and the proof is that every place in the bible that is mentioned is still there.  Even poor old Herod that tried to have all the babies killed - his tomb is still around Jerusalem. G-d knew that Jesus would have many death threats - but allowed him to finish his ministry.  The fact that the Romans tried to hide this three year ministry by making the clock tick back three years is really funny.  Perhaps that is why the three and half years of tribulation for the world before Jesus returns?  It's his way of squaring the playing field with old Satan.

Anyways, 31 AD is likely though speculative because many things fall into place as to whom was around at that point and also timely according to the order of the priesthood of Abia which was said to be fulfilled when Mary became pregnant with Jesus.  Many things have to be corroborated (just as with forensics - and actually the shroud could be a piece of forensic evidence - if only we could see and analyze a bit more) and there are many pieces of the puzzle that fit better together in AD 31 than other dates.

But, you may have your own speculations.  After all, if you don't think Jesus was ressurrected - you may not think there was an earthquake.  However, Josephus and others mention also the darkness that was unusual and covered the land at the time of the crucifixion.  This was an unusual event for EVERYONE because the moon happened to be on the other side of the earth and not between the sun and earth at the time it happened.  The total eclipse of the sun was a total eclipse according to historians - but happened at the time of the Passover which is the time of the full moon and not new moon.  Strange thing that was!

[go12_3]

Hmm, pianistimo still online.

I predict a gigantic pile of crap to be posted soon.

Thal

You are correct in that assumption!   

best wishes,

go

[thalbergmad]

Jesus was crucified and the proof is that every place in the bible that is mentioned is still there 

Oh i see.

Using the same method, we can prove that Beethoven was infact a sewing machine as every place he visited is still there.

There is no proof, there never has been and there never will be.

Unless of course if one of the disciples had a digital camera. They seem to have had some accurate timepieces as mentioned earlier.

Thal

[pianistimo]

You have not stated which is crap.  Therefore, your assumption has not ascended.  Now, who needing a candle lighting?

If light attracts itself - and G-d is light - perhaps He was like the flame.  If He ascended back to G-d - who is to stop Him?  It was inevitable.  Now, just because you can't see a person after they are ressurrected and risen doesn't mean they don't exist.  Crap, however, typically stays on the ground.  Let's change that to dust.  We know we are made in G-d's image - with the breath of G-d sustaining us and keeping us alive.  But, when He takes His breath away - all we are is lumps of clay/dust that return to dust.  Nothing.  Basically crap.  We are crap machines. 

Don't you want to be something more?  That's what Jesus Christ gave his Holy Spirit for.  To enliven us.  Especially to think about His saving grace at this time of year.  What is middle ages about that?  It's for ALL THE AGES.  His life is purposeful now as it was 2000 years ago.  Abraham knew the Lord when he was called 'the Word' - and before he was flesh.  There was no crap to Abraham's life because he 'cut the crap.'  Basically, he humbled himself to know G-d by being obedient.  He was a forerunner of an example of G-d himself - because he was asked to do what G-d actually DID.  Sacrifice HIS ONLY SON.  Thankfully, G-d has other purposes for living human being children and sacrifice is not one of them.  However, the sacrifice was made for us because our sins are paid for by blood. Sin isn't pretty and never was to G-d.  If it was just 'ho hum' - sin would mean nothing to us.

Sin is crap. We crap a lot of it.  This time of year is time to clean the crap up.  Change parts of your life that don't fit into G-d's plan. His plan is for you to meet Him at the wedding in clean white clothes.  Remember the parable where the people are invited off the streets and one person hasn't dressed properly and is kicked out of the wedding ceremony?  That person didn't take time to prepare.  He thought 'I'll come as I am.'  Perhaps G-d doesn't accept that? Maybe he wants us to do some introspection?  Maybe clean out the parts of our lives that don't fit in with His plans.  If we are supposed to be in His image - we should represent love, light, kindness, mercy and compassion - and all those things that are representative of the Holy Spirit working fully in our minds.

The Proverbs say something about the light in people's eyes.  That their eyes may be either light or dark according to the way their minds work. That you can tell if the Holy Spirit resides in a person by the way they express their spirit.  This, to me, is also proof that the Holy Spirit (thus Jesus Christ) exist/s and existed.  If He never existed,  the Holy Spirit would not exist.  I am sure that the Spirit is alive and well because we are told that it is like fire/water/light - and those things that move by the inspired hand of G-d. Who can fully explain any of those three things.  The Holy Spirit is also like a dove and descended upon Jesus at baptism like a dove.  The symbol of a dove is purity.

[thalbergmad]

Crap, however, typically stays on the ground.

Yours don't.

It is plastered all over this forum.

Thal

[aslanov]

Dear Aslanov,

In Mein Kempf - it's basically a systematic approach of killing the 'enemy' (those one hates) by various means and ways.  In the bible - however, G-d starts with two people - Adam and Eve - and not darwins chimpanzees.  The survival of the fittest isn't mentioned.  Do you know why?  BECAUSE WE ALL CAME FROM THE SAME TWO PEOPLE.  That's a peaceful start in itself.  We all have the same general human Dna makeup (with variations of course) and we all came from the same Eve.  This makes for a much more peaceful start to a book that is about millenial rule.  Also, the Lord said to 'be kind to your enemies.  Do good to them.' .......bs, bs, bs ,bs ,bs ,bs

I know i said i would never post again in this thread, but i promise this my last, for i could not resist this.

Dear Piantistimonial,

When you started this post with "Dear Aslanov" i, for a second believe u would actually answer my questions, and not give any evasive answers or ignore my question altogether. BOYYY was i wrong. Then i thought, naah, i'd humour you and read through that huge post of rubbish, because maybe, somewhere along the lines, u DID answer my questions. Alas, you did not. what was the point of addressing me in 2 words, then ignoring what i had asked for the rest of the millions of lines of rambling?? WHAT?! WHAT WAS THE POINT?! PLEASE, AT LEAST ANSWER THIS QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE POINT?!

if you are seriously trying to convince people of the existence of god, jesus, a unicorn, leprechauns, the easter bunny, etc. at least answer us "poor lost souls'" questions, or we just might take you religious nuts for psychopaths.

who's with me when i say, if god wanted someone to speak for him, to defend his honour, he'd pick someone with enough knowledge of, not even science or history, but at least of his 'own' book(s).

i wonder what richard dawkins would say to these scattered and non-sensical posts by piantesticles (man i can NEVER remember how to spell that name)

[thalbergmad]

The total eclipse of the sun was a total eclipse according to historians - but happened at the time of the Passover which is the time of the full moon and not new moon.  Strange thing that was!

Strange that you should mention that.

During the last total eclipse in England, i remember a man walking past my house dragging a large cross, followed by a Roman Legion and some sheep farmers.

I always wondered what happened to him and now i know.

Thanks for your wisdom.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

The symbol of a dove is purity.

I don't think so.

My ex girlfriend had one and she had more pricks than a second hand dartboard.

Thal

[ahinton]

There seems to be an awful lot of "crap" here now. This is at least somewhat different to previous experiences of religious ranting on this forum, in that the excremental seems now to be taking over from the merely mental, but that can hardly be said to represent any kind of improvement. Please put away that Bible - and all the prejudices that seem for you to accompany it - and go and do some piano practice, provided that you don't go and work on any of Godowsky's studies for left hand alone on the études of Chopin, wondrous as they are, lest your right hand is accordingly left free to type yet more of the same or similar religious stuff...

What does anyone have to do to put across to you that this kind of thing irritates most people here, not because of what they may or may not believe but because of its sheer proselytising fury and its mental equivalent of repetitive strain injury?

Phew!...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

I don't think so.

My ex girlfriend had one and she had more pricks than a second hand dartboard.

Leaving aside which of your multiplicity of ex-girlfriends this one may have been, there's really no printable answer to that, is there?!...

Best,

Alistair