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Offline anafressari

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is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
« on: June 09, 2009, 11:16:11 PM »


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piano sheet music of Barcarolle


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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 11:46:36 PM »
Brown index number: B 160a
Composed 1846

Here is a works list with score samples:
http://www.ourchopin.com/analysis/barcarolle.html
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 02:17:08 AM »
OK... Let me just let you in on a little secret... This youtube user isn't a proper pianist... he's a DENTIST!!!!

Some of his other chopin videos are of INCREDIBLY POOR playing that I wouldn't trust him as a source of music for ANYTHING!!!!

I'd be willing to bet that this guy doesn't know sh*t about what he's talking about. I wouldn't trust him.


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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 06:03:51 AM »
I loved the way he topped it off with that expression of utter disgust at the end.  As if he had just smelled something in the air...

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 05:58:43 PM »
Surreal.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 06:01:58 PM »
That guy has no feel for the piano at all, just klonking, ugh!  A total waste to share on this thead by the way.... ::)
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 08:05:18 PM »
Hard to believe Chopin wrote such an idiotic piece.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 12:31:58 AM »
There isn't a single composer ever who hasn't written something idiotic at some stage. Most are just lucky enough to have destroyed them before they are discovered.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 04:16:59 PM »
There isn't a single composer ever who hasn't written something idiotic at some stage. Most are just lucky enough to have destroyed them before they are discovered.

That's true but often there is an explanation, like something they had to write for a special occasion, but really did not want to write. Or mental illness in Schumann's case. Perhaps Chopin wrote this thing for a preschool child of friends, it remained in their hands and survived. More sad is the opposite: Compositions that were excellent but destroyed by the composers because they were depressed or the work did not meet their fastidious standards. Brahms wrote a complete cello concerto and burned it. He wanted to do the same thing with his double-concerto. Now, if the cello concerto was of similar quality, then that's really sad news.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 11:12:33 PM »
That's true but often there is an explanation, like something they had to write for a special occasion, but really did not want tori wte. Or mental illness in Schumann's case.

Was there anything he wrote while under this mental illness??? What works???

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 06:12:18 AM »
I don't know how much he actually wrote when he was in the psychiatric asylum, if though he did write, that's reported. But there are works that he wrote shortly before and which elicited heated debates. An example is his violin concerto. Experts think he was already gone when he wrote it. I can in a way see what they mean, but I love the piece nonetheless. I think it's wonderful.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 11:31:59 AM »
I could be starting a new topic here, but which composers suffered with mental illness in their
lives?   Just wondering.....

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM »
That's true but often there is an explanation, like something they had to write for a special occasion
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Perhaps Chopin wrote this thing for a preschool child of friends, it remained in their hands and survived.
This sounds to be the most plausible answer if it really was Chopin himself; that said, although I do not personally know the details, I imagine that information will be documented in the annals of Chopin scholarship if it is indeed in his hand.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 03:31:02 PM »
I could be starting a new topic here
go12_3

I just did it.... it's an interesting topic.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 05:15:34 PM »
I just did it.... it's an interesting topic.

Oh, thanks   :) 
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 11:53:07 PM »
I don't know how much he actually wrote when he was in the psychiatric asylum, if though he did write, that's reported. But there are works that he wrote shortly before and which elicited heated debates. An example is his violin concerto. Experts think he was already gone when he wrote it. I can in a way see what they mean, but I love the piece nonetheless. I think it's wonderful.

Hmmm, I actually heard it for the first time just a few days ago on the radio and I really didn't feel it was nearly up to par with his better work, and despite your admiration, I sort of felt sorry for the brilliant young violinist (forget her name) who took the time to learn and record the work. But if it works for others then it serves a great purpose.  ;)
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 08:05:39 AM »
You can listen to it on youtube.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 01:17:36 PM »
Was there anything he wrote while under this mental illness??? What works???
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 07:51:33 PM »
My ears are lying in tatters on the floor  :P

Sounds like a Grade piece from looooowwww down the syllabus.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #19 on: June 19, 2009, 01:46:56 PM »
Here is a proper performance:
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 01:50:55 PM »
Here is a proper performance:
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Thank you - finally... a good performance... in fact - a bloody good performance of it. Much appreciated.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #21 on: June 19, 2009, 02:19:19 PM »
Thank you - finally... a good performance... in fact - a bloody good performance of it. Much appreciated.


Ashkenazy is not bad  :P

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #22 on: July 17, 2009, 01:35:32 AM »
You can't trust that dentist. He can't even spell Bourree.
But Ashkenazy plays it well.
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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #23 on: July 22, 2009, 04:36:10 AM »
Ashkenazy made a complete tour of Chopin years ago for London; they issued about 15 or 16 LPs and included all the minor pieces and trivia. I have several of them purposely bought as I am a Chopin collector and admirer.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 12:08:22 AM »
I certainly doubt the veracity of the performer in your initial video, but how about this? Back around 2002 a scratchy, barely audible, recording surfaced claiming to be a recording of Chopin Playing Chopin (The Minute Waltz). I, and most everyone else, passed it off as a hoax, as there were no recording devices in existence at the time of his death in 1849, but I tag it here for you to have a laugh. Also, a few years ago someone claimed to discover a score (or fragment) Chopin wrote in his final days of life, and it was "realized" by a contemporary performer (I can't find a copy at the moment), but it was highly uncharacteristic, a brief study in dissonant triplets in both hands, and nearly everyone made the same assumption that it was most likely a fraud.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #25 on: July 27, 2009, 12:45:47 AM »
I certainly doubt the veracity of the performer in your initial video, but how about this? Back around 2002 a scratchy, barely audible, recording surfaced claiming to be a recording of Chopin Playing Chopin (The Minute Waltz). I, and most everyone else, passed it off as a hoax

Yeah - I'm sure it's a hoax as well.. cause I know that Brahms was one of the first people to actually record his pieces in some form in the 1880's. (Taken from a source in which I can't remember)

In 1889, Theo Wangemann, a representative of American inventor Thomas Edison visited the composer in Vienna and invited him to make an experimental recording. He played an abbreviated version of his first Hungarian dance on the piano. While the spoken introduction to the short piece of music is quite clear, the piano playing is largely inaudible due to heavy surface noise. Nevertheless, this remains the earliest recording made by a major composer.

Plus - I seriously doubt Chopin would play his minute waltz that fast. I'd be willing to be it's a midi file that's been badly edited and scratched to all hell to try and pass for some authenticity.

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Re: is this really a chopin piece or this guy is fooling us?
«Reply #26 on: July 28, 2009, 03:12:50 AM »
Yes, I have heard the Brahms, and while it is all too brief, it is a starting point of something that changed mankind forever. :)
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