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Offline buhdaporn

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2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
« on: July 01, 2009, 08:20:21 AM »
Hi, my name is Put. I'm 15 years old.
This is the third board that I posted so I still new to this website.
I played 2 difficult pieces for everyone because I realize that everyone like to listen to very hard music. I want every one to comment (can be positive or negative- I'm ok with negative because I want to improve myself)

1.Chopin Fantasia Impromptu Op.66 -

2.Rachmaninoff Prelude Op. 23 No. 5 -


Thank you very much for your comments and your attention.
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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 08:44:45 AM »
If you put this in the Audition room, you may get better response
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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 12:48:45 PM »
Yes, move to audition room.

Anyways, I can't say much on Fantaisie, because I've never performed and I don't listen to it often. First thing about the Rachmaninov, however, is that you need to use a metronome. Yes, romantic music should have rubato to an extent, but the A section is Alla Marcia, I believe. Marches don't have rubato. Here I would slow the tempo slightly at the ends of the phrases, but try to maintain a steady pulse throughout. In the B section, after the opening statement of the new theme, Rachmaninov adds a countermelody. I can't hear it at all on your recording so I'd like you to bring that out even to the point where it's more prominent than the main melody, as we already know what that is and it will naturally carry being in the higher register of the piano. When you return to the A section, start very, very slowly. Part of the drama of this return is the huge accelerando that takes place until you get to the big C minor chords.

Those are my opinions, anyways.

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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 03:41:38 PM »
You play pretty well  :)

I'd agree with the B section of the Rachmaninoff; when this develops, there is some material in the left hand that should be brought out to an extent.  You'll see that in all of the left hand stuff there are points where you have eighth notes following the middle voice usually played by the right hand.  Those should sound out a little more.

Good job, keep at it!
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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 02:56:44 PM »
Heya, I'm Sarah. I'm 13 years old and played the fantasie impromptu and I think that it would be a good idea to practice a little more with the metronome! A couple of sections are a little out of time. It also needs to be a little more musically singing and passionate in the middle section. It is extremely neat though, so you obviously practice well!!  ;D Also play this with just the tune and then put it all back together and try to keep only the tune loud and the rest quiet. Then adjust the levels to how you think would sound good.
Keep up the good work! What grade are you on? grade 8 or diploma? I'm doing my diploma later this month!

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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 03:03:32 PM »
Heya again. I have also played (and am still in the process of playing this piece) too. I'd do the same as I said with the last piece and would also play the piece a little slower. The middle section should be lyrical and passionate. Imagine the girl that you fancy are in a room together and that you are madly in love etc. It is very good though!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 03:24:50 AM »
OK: Good. You got most of the notes. But the F-I is too mechanical. Everything is at the same volume in the first section and doesn't sing and sounds rushed.

Similarly with the Rach: too jerky; you must play it with a Russian "pulse" (listen to Horowitz) (the pulse is also demonstrated by him in the very last Etude Tableaux and the Sonata #2). And the descending octave passage at the end of the first section must be clean and not skipped as in your video. Overall very good and please be more relaxed.

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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 09:30:04 AM »
Thank you Sarah and nearenough that give me suggestion.
I will try to improve  :D

Best wishes,
Put
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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #8 on: August 02, 2009, 07:12:58 AM »
I have 2 pieces of advice for you.

1) Listen to a couple of recordings of these pieces, and REALLY study them; dynamically, musically, etc, etc.

2) this is probably the most important thing i can tell you. DO NOT, EVER, make playing these pieces about the virtuosity. DO NOT play these pieces because they are difficult; under any circumstances. DO NOT play these pieces faster just because it makes you look more virtuosic; it doesn't, it makes you look immature.

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Re: 2 hardest song that I can play, comment please!!
«Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 02:18:22 AM »
I just listened to the Rachmaninoff.
A few comments and sorry if I am too straight forward

Overall it is very good,however a few points:

1.it is way too fast.Slow down.You need to hear all the notes.

2.Rachmaninoff is not only about virtuosity.To me it is also and most importantly about heart and being romantic.My suggestion is to think of someone you love/hate or a situation

3.personally,starting at 0.49 I would be even more majestic

4.the middle section is way too fast.It sounds more like a technical exercise than romantic music
Slow down and sing it,feel it.Make each voice sing

Overall it is well played.See if you can slow down and I hope you can use the above points.
For me,playing Rachmaninoff is also about feeling the music,living the music,singing the music.
Also,listen to some of the other pianists performing it.I am including a few links for you to listen:

by Gilels
&feature=related by Horowitz
&feature=related by Cziffra
Avguste Antonov
Pianiste Concertiste
Professeur de Piano | Conservatoire Intercommunal de Chateaubriant