la campanella-ending

[fredericfrancoischopin]

me playing Liszt.

enjoy

constructive critisism is welcome

Bernard

[makeanote]

Bernard, because I so sincerely wish to treat this post seriously - I'll respond in all honesty:

Stop wasting your time learning pieces that are outrageously beyond your ability and posting them. You are damaging whatever credibility you have when you post your opinion on other people's performances or other performance related topics.

I don't know if you read this response to your Ecossaise Post from Perfect_Pitch, but it would be worth you taking notice of:

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Quoting Perfect_Pitch:
"Fredericfrancischopin: Respect doesn't come from playing the monumental pieces like Fantasie Impromptu or even a chopin etude... It comes from playing a piece of music beautifully. If your teach[er] thinks your playing of these two pieces is good - you need to find a better teacher. Because even I wouldn't let a student perform those - not even for a YouTube video.

You will be able to play these pieces eventually, but you cannot play them now - not to a decent standard. If you're committed however to learning and bettering your playing, then one day you will actually look at these two pieces again and understand how to play them properly. I know this, because I used to play just like you."

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If you MUST learn these pieces, get hold of the MIDI file of the piece, get a free MIDI editing program (I found both in under a minute using Google:)
For the Liszt MIDI: https://piano-midi.de/liszt_d.htm
For the program: www.reaper.fm

Often times the MIDI is played in with hands separated so you can listen to each hand at whatever tempo you like - that way you will hear the 'correct' notes and timing.  Then slow the tempo down to learn it more carefully.

BUT...can I leave you with one more piece of advice (and a challenge)?
1. Learn Beethoven's 6 Minuets WoO 10 (the most famous one is number 2). Here's a link: https://imslp.org/wiki/6_Minuets%2C_WoO_10_(Beethoven%2C_Ludwig_van)
2. Take your time to carefully and seriously play through these beautiful, but simple, pieces. Focus on being COMPLETELY even in tempo and that every note is clearly and carefully played.
3. When you are satisfied with them, post them. If your technique is around an intermediate level, this should take 2 weeks of steady, regular practice.

I believe that if you were prepared to do this, you would gain a greater respect amongst pianists than what you perhaps currently hold.

Now, if you think that the pieces are 'below' you to learn...watch this clip:

This is a concert pianist playing, as an encore, Fur Elise. The audience actually laughs at the start, probably because of it's simplicity and it being so commonplace. But a piece's merit as a beautiful work should never be gauged by it's popularity.

Please see this challenge as a serious attempt to really see you improve as a pianist.

Ian

[iroveashe]

You are damaging whatever credibility you have when you post your opinion on other people's performances or other performance related topics.

Not only damaging his credibility but also his own technique. When you play this kind of pieces at this level you don't just 'butcher' the piece to whoever hears it, you incorporate lots of bad habits that will be ingrained in your playing practically forever, because you didn't learn La Campanella, you basically learned the mistakes. So listen to people's advice (like makeanote) and get easier pieces, if you do that and work progressively you won't only find it easier and faster to learn harder pieces such as this one in the long run, you'll acquire a considerable amount repertoire in the way.

Think of this: you want to build a house, what do you do? Do you go to a store, buy bricks, shovels, concrete, etc. and just start building it from scratch without previous study? Believe it or not some people do almost that, and the result is just catastrophic. But the worst part is that if you got a house very poorly constructed you can't just correct an irregular angle or wall, you have to throw it down and build a new one. Instead of that, which is a waste of time and effort you should first learn how to mix the sand, cement, gravel and water, what type of bricks to buy, etc. and finally when you're ready to build it, you have to proceed with discipline and in a very organized and clean manner, or it'll end up a mess (like my backyard that has concrete over the tiles of the floor because the constructors were stupid enough not to clean it right away and it dried).

It's the same with piano playing because most of the movements you need to play are done subconsciously, and the subconscious doesn't tell apart a wrong from a right rhythm, it just learns whatever you feed it with, in this case lots of irregularity and unevenness probably due to unnecessary movements.

[n00bhippy]

Im convinced this has to be a gimmick...it seems everyone keeps on giving him the same advice, yet he continues to post performances of the same poor quality...either that or i don't know, i don't even want to consider the alternative.

[birba]

me playing Liszt.

enjoy

constructive critisism is welcome

Bernard

enjoy?!   criticism is spelled with a "C"

[fredericfrancoischopin]

your criticising is based on nonsense.

i play well those pieces but your comments 

there are errors in my playing but i didnt find that there are so alot that you are mentioning

for example tempo in ecossaisen is right

Bernard

[fredericfrancoischopin]

Bernard, because I so sincerely wish to treat this post seriously - I'll respond in all honesty:

Stop wasting your time learning pieces that are outrageously beyond your ability and posting them. You are damaging whatever credibility you have when you post your opinion on other people's performances or other performance related topics.

I don't know if you read this response to your Ecossaise Post from Perfect_Pitch, but it would be worth you taking notice of:

#################################################
Quoting Perfect_Pitch:
"Fredericfrancischopin: Respect doesn't come from playing the monumental pieces like Fantasie Impromptu or even a chopin etude... It comes from playing a piece of music beautifully. If your teach[er] thinks your playing of these two pieces is good - you need to find a better teacher. Because even I wouldn't let a student perform those - not even for a YouTube video.

You will be able to play these pieces eventually, but you cannot play them now - not to a decent standard. If you're committed however to learning and bettering your playing, then one day you will actually look at these two pieces again and understand how to play them properly. I know this, because I used to play just like you."

#################################################

If you MUST learn these pieces, get hold of the MIDI file of the piece, get a free MIDI editing program (I found both in under a minute using Google:)
For the Liszt MIDI: https://piano-midi.de/liszt_d.htm
For the program: www.reaper.fm

Often times the MIDI is played in with hands separated so you can listen to each hand at whatever tempo you like - that way you will hear the 'correct' notes and timing.  Then slow the tempo down to learn it more carefully.

BUT...can I leave you with one more piece of advice (and a challenge)?
1. Learn Beethoven's 6 Minuets WoO 10 (the most famous one is number 2). Here's a link: https://imslp.org/wiki/6_Minuets%2C_WoO_10_(Beethoven%2C_Ludwig_van)
2. Take your time to carefully and seriously play through these beautiful, but simple, pieces. Focus on being COMPLETELY even in tempo and that every note is clearly and carefully played.
3. When you are satisfied with them, post them. If your technique is around an intermediate level, this should take 2 weeks of steady, regular practice.

I believe that if you were prepared to do this, you would gain a greater respect amongst pianists than what you perhaps currently hold.

Now, if you think that the pieces are 'below' you to learn...watch this clip:

This is a concert pianist playing, as an encore, Fur Elise. The audience actually laughs at the start, probably because of it's simplicity and it being so commonplace. But a piece's merit as a beautiful work should never be gauged by it's popularity.

Please see this challenge as a serious attempt to really see you improve as a pianist.

Ian

thanks for your advices

but i think fur elise is below for me to learn

and i dont even like Valentina`s playing of this piece

i like really much my performances of pieces


Bernard

and irovashe-the house thing is really funny

if your so good why dont you publish your own recordings 

you cant build taj-mahal with ... whatever

[perfect_pitch]

OK... Let me be clear but brutal... (OK... let's say honest instead of brutal)

Listening to the Eccosaise and La Campanella ending... Fur Elise is not below you... in fact I will refuse to help you or take you seriously until you can show us a recording of Fur Elise...

And I hate to say it... but if you honestly like the recordings you did of Eccosaise and the other one, then you will NEVER... and when I say Never... I mean NEVER EVER, EVER build up the discipline to perform anything well in your life until you try and seriously progress linearly (don't know if that's a word, don't care).

If you're going to upload something else for the Audition board, then I hope to god it's Fur Elise... PROVE TO US that Fur Elise is below you then by submitting a performance to us... that or Moonlight Sonata... because the pieces you've uploaded in the last week are FAR, FAR BEYOND your ability...

And if your teacher listens to the samples you provided here and tells you they're good - FIRE HER!!! BECAUSE... she doesn't know $H!T about piano!!!

I'm telling you from someone who used to be in your position and played like a really bad amateur... Show us Fur Elise and then we can progress... because if you upload any more pieces of music that are badly played, with about 300 million hesitations, poor rhythm, no balance or fluency and ravaged... no wait - RAPED with bad notes... then you may as well sell your piano and try your hand at some other profession, because this community is fairly well mannered and willing to help... and unless you take our advice, you're going to get flamed and abused by every person who's ashamed to hear a brilliant work of art, shat on and played by someone who cannot (and cannot accept that he cannot) play it!!!

THATS REALITY FOR YOU!!! I'm sorry if it seems brutal... but I can't make it any more clearer.

[fredericfrancoischopin]

OK... Let me be clear but brutal... (OK... let's say honest instead of brutal)

Listening to the Eccosaise and La Campanella ending... Fur Elise is not below you... in fact I will refuse to help you or take you seriously until you can show us a recording of Fur Elise...

And I hate to say it... but if you honestly like the recordings you did of Eccosaise and the other one, then you will NEVER... and when I say Never... I mean NEVER EVER, EVER build up the discipline to perform anything well in your life until you try and seriously progress linearly (don't know if that's a word, don't care).

If you're going to upload something else for the Audition board, then I hope to god it's Fur Elise... PROVE TO US that Fur Elise is below you then by submitting a performance to us... that or Moonlight Sonata... because the pieces you've uploaded in the last week are FAR, FAR BEYOND your ability...

And if your teacher listens to the samples you provided here and tells you they're good - FIRE HER!!! BECAUSE... she doesn't know $H!T about piano!!!

I'm telling you from someone who used to be in your position and played like a really bad amateur... Show us Fur Elise and then we can progress... because if you upload any more pieces of music that are badly played, with about 300 million hesitations, poor rhythm, no balance or fluency and ravaged... no wait - RAPED with bad notes... then you may as well sell your piano and try your hand at some other profession, because this community is fairly well mannered and willing to help... and unless you take our advice, you're going to get flamed and abused by every person who's ashamed to hear a brilliant work of art, shat on and played by someone who cannot (and cannot accept that he cannot) play it!!!

THATS REALITY FOR YOU!!! I'm sorry if it seems brutal... but I can't make it any more clearer.


the reality is that i am better than u and everyone else on pianostreet

300 million hessitations ? wth?

other profession? that was funniest statement i ever heard
you made me laugh really much.

let me tell you something

if you dont like my playing, dont comment and go to london philharmonic and
share your advices there 

such a pianist with alot of critic and less piano skills 

my piano is good and i wont sold it + you can maybe sold yours ,your rachmaninoff op.23 no.7 is terrible 

sorry if i am too honest

but maybe you should play a violin or something else

nice regards 

Bernard

[iroveashe]

and irovashe-the house thing is really funny

if your so good why dont you publish your own recordings 

Because I am sincere enough to admit I am not good, I never stated that I am. It seems that your only reason to play this pieces and post them here is simply to fulfill your ego, which doesn't make any sense since you can't even play a piece from beginning to end apparently.

[db05]

I suggest another member step up and have a youtube piano battle with fredericfrancoischopin. Then people will come vote which is better, and state WHY. I know that seems tedious, but compare and contrast would do much better than plain criticism.

In the meantime, why don't you watch Yundi Li's La Campanella? It sounds so much better, right? Why is that? What makes the difference?

Hope that makes you think. 

[perfect_pitch]

OK... Well good to see we established one thing...

FredericFrancisChopin is an idiot... So I shall refuse to help him in any way and I hope that his idiotic spammed threads are deleted (including this one so we don't have to listen to the garbage that spews from his mouth).

I'm glad I make you laugh... because your recordings make me laugh as well... First I thought you were drunk when you uploaded them and it seemed funny as a novelty act... but now that you refuse to take any advice and believe that you're brilliant... Thats just depressing... I pity you.

My Rachmaninoff is terrible? What the *** are you talking about??? I've never played that Prelude of Rachmaninoff's so I don't honestly know what the bloody hell you're on about???

Bernard - stop drinking the alcohol... or stop snorting the meth... or whatever the hell you're on because you need to sober up. The fact that you're not a piano player serious about progressing... it gives me great pleasure (actually... just fun) to say - you're an idiot and may god help you... or at least a Certified Psychologist!!!

Any chance we can have this thread deleted now that we know this idiot's just trolling??? Any idiot who thinks of himself as a genius is just wasting our time... I'm just happy continuing to progress and better my skills to become a proper Pianist.

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You know what db05... That's not a bad idea, but then I don't want to slip down to the self-vanitous level that FFChopin seems to be on... and it would take me a day or two to at least learn the ending of the La Campanella... however I can play the B section from Fantasie Impromptu... Someone could upload that or I could sometime tomorrow.

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One last thing - Had to laugh at this...

I play very difficult pieces such as la campanella,hungarian rhapsodies(easy versions)
I always try for perfection.

PROVE IT TO US... Because you haven't given us anything even CLOSE so far. And you also seem to have failed using the 'Quote' function - Well done...

[db05]

I expected to find laughs in this thread, but some people seem pissed now. And with good reason, as always.

But I don't believe it is entirely FFC's fault. Like PP said here https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,34641.msg402226.html#msg402226 - There are lots of unqualified teachers, and they are everywhere, not just Australia. It's this obsession with technique that is the problem of many musicians and teachers. Some never grow out of it, but play reasonably well. Many people start piano because they want to play Fantaisie Impromptu or La Campanella; who can blame them for that? There is a lot of guts in even attempting such a feat. Guts that applied elsewhere, might be the start of something far greater.

I meet people who are like - technique, technique, technique... playing bigger and bigger pieces... and they don't seem to be enjoying their music. I don't get it. In fact, I hate it. Why do people do this to themselves?