technically undemanding avant-garde piano

[mosis]

the noisier the better! recommend composers and specific pieces, please!

[quantum]

Stephen Chatman:

His collection entitled Sports is a growing favourite among students.  Lots of non linear pieces, graphic scores, tone clusters and forearms. 

https://www.drstephenchatman.com/works.html

[invictious]

John Cage - 4'33''

You had to see it coming.
Silence was never this noisy..(I am a tinnitus sufferer).

[retrouvailles]

Stephen Chatman:

His collection entitled Sports is a growing favourite among students.  Lots of non linear pieces, graphic scores, tone clusters and forearms. 

https://www.drstephenchatman.com/works.html

Always pushing the Canadian music, eh? But seriously, I have a friend who studies with Chatman and I hear he's good (never heard his music myself).

Another great suggestion is György Kurtág's various Játekók books, which are quite easy and contain many avant-garde styles and such in them, and they are quite fun.

[antichrist]

K.S. Sorabji- Opus clav.

Finnissy English Country Tunes

[communist]

K.S. Sorabji- Opus clav.

Finnissy English Country Tunes

You forgot Xenakis Synaphai and Finnissy Folklore.

[ahinton]

You forgot Xenakis Synaphai and Finnissy Folklore.

Finnissy Folklore, sure - but Synaphai is not a solo piano work (which is what I think is supposed to be recommended here). Anyway, why not Finnissy Piano Concerto No. 4 and Sorabji Concerto per suonare da me solo? Each will fit into a single half of a conventional length recital programme and the former could be paired with other works in the same half.

Best,

Alistair

[communist]

Finnissy Folklore, sure - but Synaphai is not a solo piano work (which is what I think is supposed to be recommended here). Anyway, why not Finnissy Piano Concerto No. 4 and Sorabji Concerto per suonare da me solo? Each will fit into a single half of a conventional length recital programme and the former could be paired with other works in the same half.

Best,

Alistair

Sorabji has some not that difficult compositions, correct?

[ahinton]

Sorabji has some not that difficult compositions, correct?

Many of Sorabji's piano works are pretty challenging - some extremely so - but of the 60+ that he wrote, some three quarters would fit into one half of a conventional length recital programme and some are by no means monstrously difficult; please check reply #6 from https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=34259.0 where I gave a list of some of the less difficult pieces.

Best,

Alistair

[pies]

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[thalbergmad]

Some of Finnissy's works are rather easy.

Both Juvenilia (1953-1958) & Wee Saw Footprints are not exactly demanding and the Two Pieces (July 1984) are about grade 1 level.

Thal

[gep]

Sorabji has some not that difficult compositions, correct?

The Preludio-Corale from Toccata no. 1 is not technically very difficult, as far as I can judge. But note that this judging is done based on Jonathan Powell's recording of it, a pianist who, as I can eye-testify, can play all the notes in the Concord Sonata in a way that gave the impression he was playing some rather easy little piece, rather than the quite monstruous complex piece it at at least some places is.

gep

[lontano]

Finnissy Folklore, sure - but Synaphai is not a solo piano work (which is what I think is supposed to be recommended here). Anyway, why not Finnissy Piano Concerto No. 4 and Sorabji Concerto per suonare da me solo? Each will fit into a single half of a conventional length recital programme and the former could be paired with other works in the same half.

Best,

Alistair

Agreed, but why not simply play both works in the right hand and add something like Sorabji's Study for the left hand in the other?

[imbetter]

The Spanish Rhapsody and Fantasy by Sorabji are fairly accessible as far as my knowledge goes.

[retrouvailles]

He wasn't asking for accessibility, but rather something that is a bit easier. See my suggestions earlier in the thread for reference. And Sorabji isn't avant-garde.

[ahinton]

He wasn't asking for accessibility, but rather something that is a bit easier. See my suggestions earlier in the thread for reference. And Sorabji isn't avant-garde.

Precisely - but then I am inclined to think that reference to him here has deliberately been of rather less than serious intent, wouldn't you say?(!)...

Best,

Alistair

[retrouvailles]

Hmm, not in my opinion, no.

[quirky]

Boulez's 12 Notations are fun and most are quite easy.

[weissenberg2]

Would something by Nono work?

[retrouvailles]

Would something by Nono work?

Well, are there any easy piano works by him? All I have heard are difficult works by him.

[weissenberg2]

Well, are there any easy piano works by him? All I have heard are difficult works by him.

I don't know, I asked if something by him would work because I was not sure.

[mosis]

err, yeah, by "technically undemanding," I meant "piss easy." A lot of the pieces recommended here are just crazy.

also, maybe "avant-garde" wasn't the right word. maybe just early 20th century work, like that of Schoenberg or Ornstein. That kind of thing.

[pies]

Intermezzo from Schoenberg's op. 25 suite
try the first movement from Ligeti's Musica Ricercata

[lontano]

the noisier the better! recommend composers and specific pieces, please!

On a serious note, and assuming I'm not being redundant, you can find some fairly noisome, and beautiful, piano works by Henry Cowell and his circle of friends. His sheet music is easily found, and while it often appears difficult, there are ways to play some of the works that require more physicality than musicianship.

Likewise with Charles Ives, only in the sense that when one hears the recordings Ives made later in life, he still had that wonderful "bang on a can" spirit when he made semi-improvisational performances of works from his younger days, which today are performed with "note-perfect" interpretations, sometimes losing a bit of the rowdiness that filled Ives spirit in his Yale days, WWI, and such. It's amazing that he found a way to notate the highly improvisational effect his music elicits.

Good luck!

L.

[gorucan]

Ligeti is the answer

[weissenberg2]

Schoenberg little pieces op.19. Some Bartok.