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Offline zheer

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Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
« on: October 02, 2009, 01:11:47 PM »
Hey, I recorded this very recently, I hope you appreciate my interpretation of this piece, please try to look beyond the bad sound quality if you can. Finally do leave a comment if you feel something needs changing.
 Thank you for listening and sorry no refunds on tickets.

Just realized that the first recording does not have the ending, so the second one does.
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piano sheet music of Impromptu


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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 06:05:55 PM »
I like the tempo and again I think the sound you get from the piano is good.  Somebody posted this piece a few months back and their tempo was very fast, one had the impression they just wanted to do something different, and this is refreshing in its simplicity.

The left hand is not well phrased and needs to be as beautifully played as the right hand.  In my view it is a common failing to neglect the finer points of the left hand.  I urge you to rise above this tendency, and improve your standing amongst your peers.  If you will notice, all of a sudden when the left hand is more prominent, the phrasing becomes very heavy, blocky, and notey, if it can be all three of those things.

All that page turning!  When learning classic pieces like this, one should just memorize it from the start.  Everyone wants to hear these, so it is better to just get it in your repertoire so you can play it anywhere anytime.  This is not a hard piece to memorize and I urge you to make that part and parcel of the learning process.

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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 06:34:04 PM »

All that page turning!  When learning classic pieces like this, one should just memorize it from the start. 

Sure, 8).
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 06:57:58 PM »
You played with clarity and the presentation was very well done on this piece, although I'm
not a fan of the romantic composers, you did a nice job with it. 

best wishes,

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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 09:04:09 PM »
Thank you again, you know Schubert isn't really a romantic composer in the tradition of Liszt, Brahms or Chopin, but I know what you mean he's definitely not Handel or Mozart.
Thanks for you kind words.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 09:31:41 PM »
Thank you again, you know Schubert isn't really a romantic composer in the tradition of Liszt, Brahms or Chopin, but I know what you mean he's definitely not Handel or Mozart.
Thanks for you kind words.

You are most welcome, and keep up with your fine playing   :)  Oh, I always thought Schubert is romantic, well, goes to show I don't pay too much attention!  lol    I'll check him out for sure!   ;)
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 06:58:22 PM »
Thank you again, you know Schubert isn't really a romantic composer in the tradition of Liszt, Brahms or Chopin, but I know what you mean he's definitely not Handel or Mozart.
Thanks for you kind words.

Some of Schubert's pieces are very romantic, some are not, just like Chopin's pieces arent all romantic. And playing something 'romantic' doesnt mean that something always has to be played rubato or freely either.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 07:19:00 PM »
That's a good point, but I think Schubert like Beethoven had some pieces that belong in the romantic genre and some in the classical. I'm not sure where exactly this Impromptu belongs, but when ever I hear this piece it reminds me of a very calm sunny day.
As far as I'm aware the romantic era was a shift in attitude towards composer and the purpose of music, music was more personal, composers were expressing themselves through music, they no longer had patrons, they were self employed, so inevitably they were artistically free.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 07:29:11 PM »
I hadnt listened to your recording yet, i thought it was another one wich was posted here not long ago.
About this recording:
Its not really the speed i'm bothered about, its the melody wich is abit too 'flat'. Maybe you should play the melody alone, without having to be bothered with the other notes. Now it looks abit like the melody is abit forced and rushed because you pay too much attention to the other notes. For the rest i can only agree with Ramsey's post.

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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 07:47:51 PM »
One persons apple crumble is another persons poison, *music is very subjective*
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 08:00:36 PM »
One persons apple crumble is another persons poison, *music is very subjective*


That is an excellent 'slogan' for not taking any advices, so i'll stop wasting my time commenting you.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 08:11:28 PM »
No I do take advice, but after awhile one has to arrive at their own conclusion because music/art as you know isn't an exact science, it's not like maths 2 + 2 equals 4. It's y + y could equal 4 or 7 or 9. Aside from the basic and I often get that wrong you know notes, tempo ect, the rest is very subjective.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #12 on: October 09, 2009, 09:16:37 PM »
No I do take advice, but after awhile one has to arrive at their own conclusion because music/art as you know isn't an exact science, it's not like maths 2 + 2 equals 4. It's y + y could equal 4 or 7 or 9. Aside from the basic and I often get that wrong you know notes, tempo ect, the rest is very subjective.


Classical music isnt all that subjective. If you play (semi-)romantic pieces, you play the parts in a certain 'mood' and logics. Human moods all have the same characteristics, so once you chose for a certain mood for a part of the music, it is recognizable for everybody (if you perform it well) and the mood itself isnt open much for interpretation (or subjective). Only the choice of wich mood you want to perform is.

At your performance (my last try for advice)
There are ofcourse different ways to play classical music and different interpretations, but youre not in that stage yet (in this piece) that technique isnt an issue anymore. In your impromptus recording its quite obvious that you dont 'control' this piece enough yet to make a real musical interpretation. Its abit messy and as i said, the notes/technique are forcing the melody and thus is lacking moods.
Hence my last advice to play the melody alone, so you wouldnt be limited by notes/technique.

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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #13 on: October 10, 2009, 07:04:05 AM »
Look I appreciate your comment, but aside from the wrong notes every thing else was done with intention, the messy sound on purpose, the lack of clarity on purpoe. To be honest the only thing that I will change and I was aware of this anyway, is the base line, it needs to be like celo accompaniment. The rest is very subjective. I always listen to advice when I read music incorrectly, the rest is subjective.

Thank you anyway.
 
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #14 on: October 10, 2009, 09:21:00 AM »
Hello! Overall this piece is nicely played. Somethings to think of:

As gyzzmo said, focus all your attention on the melody instead of the sound carpet below. To do that you have to practice more on the accompaniement so that you dont have to think about it. Try doing it chordwise or very slowly and making each note stand out. When you have control over the evenness of the inner voice, only thinking about the top melody will make the phrases sound natural and beautiful. Now it feels like you have something to say, but youre too absent-minded to make it comprehendable. When youve gotten the basics down im sure youll make a really nice interpretation, you have the musicality but it just needs more time.


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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #15 on: October 10, 2009, 10:24:38 AM »
Thank you adapa, I appreciate what you say, but I'm not going to repeat myself.

Best wishes.

O one more thing, nicely put what you say about melody and accompaniment, but if I bring the melody out even more and smooth out all the other notes, we'll be entering the world of Ravel or Scriabin.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 10:58:02 AM »
Thank you adapa, I appreciate what you say, but I'm not going to repeat myself.

Best wishes.

O one more thing, nicely put what you say about melody and accompaniment, but if I bring the melody out even more and smooth out all the other notes, we'll be entering the world of Ravel or Scriabin.

In that case you should keep enjoying complements from people who dont know anything  about music, because you wont receive any better complements if you keep that attitude towards advice.
That probably sounds pretty harsh, but i wouldnt bother saying it if i thought you didnt have the potential to make some real music. I really think you do, but youre way too stubborn and convinced of your own qualities that you'll never improve to a point that you can really perform a piece on high quality and make true music.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 11:54:59 AM »
I have posted music in the audition room in the past, often I had misread a composition, rhythm, notes, tempo ect ect, all the advice I took on board from people who new a lot about music and those who new less. However simply because one offers advice on musical interpretation, doesn't mean that their advice is right or wrong, it's simply an OPINNION.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #18 on: October 10, 2009, 12:30:33 PM »
I have posted music in the audition room in the past, often I had misread a composition, rhythm, notes, tempo ect ect, all the advice I took on board from people who new a lot about music and those who new less. However simply because one offers advice on musical interpretation, doesn't mean that their advice is right or wrong, it's simply an OPINNION.

My advice wasnt about musical interpretation. Your performance is just unfinished and needs alot more work. Its probably because you dont have a teacher (i think) and are far too quickly happy with how you play a piece.
And if somebody now gives you advice, youre pretty much saying somebody is wrong because you 'just have another interpretation', because youre happy with the way you perform it while you really shouldnt be happy with it yet.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #19 on: October 10, 2009, 02:15:17 PM »
Quote from: gyzzzmo link=msg408444#msg408444 date=1255177833
Your performance is just unfinished and needs alot more work. Its probably because you dont have a teacher (i think) and are far too quickly happy with how you play a topic=35291.piece.


Yes definitely, also as a pianist there is much work that needs doing. Aside from the bass clef, I'm really not going to change my interpretation, if I did it would be like someone else's interpretation.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #20 on: October 10, 2009, 07:50:08 PM »
Yes definitely, also as a pianist there is much work that needs doing. Aside from the bass clef, I'm really not going to change my interpretation, if I did it would be like someone else's interpretation.

i never mentioned any bass clef. as long as it supports the melody as you wanted to perform it, its all right. But that was not my point.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #21 on: October 10, 2009, 08:14:35 PM »
gyzzzmo, please listen to this when you have time, this is what I mean by music/art is very subjective.






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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #22 on: October 10, 2009, 09:28:36 PM »
gyzzzmo, please listen to this when you have time, this is what I mean by music/art is very subjective.






Best wishes.

Actually it's kind of ironic that you posted Schiff as an example of subjectivity, because Schiff is precisely the person who argues that others are wrong in their interpretations.  Listen for instance to his lecture on the first movement of Beethoven sonata op.27 no.2.  He dismisses all the classic recordings as "wrong" because he thinks the combination of written indications, and time signature indicate a much faster tempo.  He actually says that this piece has been performed wrongly for 100 years.

Noone disagrees about subjectivity, but you found a pretty funny example of it!

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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 07:55:27 AM »
gyzzzmo, please listen to this when you have time, this is what I mean by music/art is very subjective.




Best wishes.

I listened to that piece, and its clear that you dont get my point. I already said multiple times that your problem isnt interpretation, its the lack of control. And because of that lack of control of the notes, those notes control your melody.
Schiff indeed does play this piece differently than most, but its technically very good and its obvious that he plays this piece exactly how he wants to play it, its very detailed, musically its all correct and it makes sense, even though its another interpretation. Unlike your Schubert performance.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #24 on: October 11, 2009, 11:55:26 AM »
, its the lack of control. And because of that lack of control of the notes, those notes control your melody.
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I've made my mind up, don't waste my time.  
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #25 on: October 11, 2009, 03:13:48 PM »
I've made my mind up, don't waste my time.  
YOU UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND WORDS LET ALONE MUSIC.

You must be right, i understand nothing, youre an awsome interpretor with flawless technique. I have no idea how i'm able to make a living out of playing the piano while having such little knowledge about music.
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Re: Schubert - Impromptus: Impromptu, opus 90 no 3
«Reply #26 on: October 12, 2009, 07:47:35 PM »
You must be right, i understand nothing, youre an awsome interpretor with flawless technique. I have no idea how i'm able to make a living out of playing the piano while having such little knowledge about music.

Get of my case. Don't patronize me.
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