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Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
on: December 14, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
I was wondering if anyone had a recording to suggest, as the only ones I can find are certainly... lacking.

I guess from there, what do you think of the work?
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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 07:33:40 AM
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is by Martin Jones. I can't really comment of its quality because i don't particularly care for the transcription (or the original work, really, it's immature Stravinsky). It is attractive from a virtuosic perspective, but musically it just doesn't spark my interest. It just plain pales in comparison to Rite of Spring and Petrushka.

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 02:54:45 AM
Alexander/Sasha Korsantia:

https://www.belairmusic.com/musicshop/enter.html?target=dept_4.html

By far the most spectacular/astounding/exciting/eye-brow-raising/etc. rendition of the piece. I believe his Prokofiev 8th from the same disk is one of the best ever recorded. The rest of the disk is about on the same level. Think of that, all recorded live...

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 03:20:26 AM
How about this:

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 05:42:01 AM
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is by Martin Jones. I can't really comment of its quality because i don't particularly care for the transcription (or the original work, really, it's immature Stravinsky). It is attractive from a virtuosic perspective, but musically it just doesn't spark my interest. It just plain pales in comparison to Rite of Spring and Petrushka.
Oh, Retro, how you're limped "flutter-fly-bird" stings my wonderful appreciation of this work, and I've heard recordings of it (the complete ballet only) performed by the composer, and probably 2-3 others. While the original orchestration is a great part of the genius of the young Stravinsky, the original piano reductions are brilliant as well, for all three of his ballets (Firebird, Petrushka and Le Sacre). However one dares to perform these works in the varieties of arrangements, IMHO: they are all masterworks, created over a rather short time (all within 10 years (I believe??)).

Firebird is the most traditional, in nearly every way, yet it is an original masterpiece in its own right. Likewise, Petrouchka (in its many arrangements) is a phenomenon in its own right, using wonderful folk dances (if a bit limited), yet it's a brilliant work in any arrangement, and we really don't need discuss the potency and influence of "Le sacre"  just one more amazing composition by a very young Stravinsky (escaping out the lavatory window at its premier (as one legend accounts)).

Personally, these 3 ballet scores, composed so close together, are among the greatest examples of true genius in all of music. Various arrangements might play into a nasty taint for those who are just now discovering these works, but they remain, for me (and I hope most of the inspired members in this collective), monuments of original creation!

(OK, so I go overboard sometimes, yet my message is honest!)

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 05:49:32 AM
I was wondering if anyone had a recording to suggest, as the only ones I can find are certainly... lacking.

I guess from there, what do you think of the work?
I must be totally ignorant of the work that is linked to this post!
Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite is entirely new to me, and I'm not sure I understand what the discussion is about. Care to elaborate?

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 05:56:12 AM
In reference to the youtube video above, it's new to me, quite intense, wild and somewhat reminiscent of Godowsky's extreme arrangements of Chopin Etudes, on some sort of absurd mental stimulant!

But I LIKE IT!

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 06:05:02 AM
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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #8 on: December 16, 2009, 07:44:05 AM
How about this:



Not so sure a three minute clip is what I'm looking to put on my Ipod (disregarding, of course, the 349583498 wrong notes in even that short a span of time in that performance).


'Sides, of the stuff on youtube, I think this one is probably the clear winner:

If this work is so threatening, it is not because it's simply strange, but competent, rigorously argued and carrying conviction.

-Jacques Derrida


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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #9 on: December 16, 2009, 07:48:45 AM
How about this:



Yes, I am familiar with this video, but sorry, despite some details and arrangement differences, in short, as far as performing artistry is going, not even remotely close...
Just get the Korsantia disk and you will know.

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 11:26:06 PM
Alexander/Sasha Korsantia:

https://www.belairmusic.com/musicshop/enter.html?target=dept_4.html

By far the most spectacular/astounding/exciting/eye-brow-raising/etc. rendition of the piece. I believe his Prokofiev 8th from the same disk is one of the best ever recorded. The rest of the disk is about on the same level. Think of that, all recorded live...

Best, M
Marik, this link goes to a record site, but I can't find one with the work in question. Even a search on "stravinsky" found nothing. I'd like to find the recording if you might have a more accurate link? ;)
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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #11 on: December 17, 2009, 12:17:45 AM
Marik, this link goes to a record site, but I can't find one with the work in question. Even a search on "stravinsky" found nothing. I'd like to find the recording if you might have a more accurate link? ;)

Yeah, somehow they don't have a link for it. Click on CD Alexander Korsantia In Concert - Live - 2 CD Edition and then scroll down for the CD content. 

Under the CD you can see: Click on the iTunes button for downloading  the Album or single tracks, so you can download MP3 of all tracks.

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #12 on: December 17, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
Got it. Thanks!

Know where to find the score?

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Re: Stravinsky/Agosti "L'Oiseau de Feu" Suite
Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 07:58:39 AM
Korsantia just owns this piece!
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