Would BEETHOVEN like this???...

[jamesboogiewoogie]

...what dy TINK???

[orangesodaking]

I have no idea, because he was not around when this type of music was composed. But, in the second movement of his last sonata (Op. 111), he DOES have a boogie-woogie sort of section, hehe.

Oh also, I liked your playing. If that's original, things like that could make you popular.

[jamesboogiewoogie]

Thanks!I often wonder what the 'main man' would make of modern music.He may think it surprisingly primitive...but i bet hed love messing with synths n stuff,N who knows he may love good ole boogie!!What dya all think??

[orangesodaking]

Reminds me of this:

&feature=related (the Bach parts, anyway).

[pianisten1989]

What has this to do with Beethoven? Or am I missing something? :S

[jamesboogiewoogie]

...well I worked out the above ditty which I thought had some nice chord progressions in it,n I wondered if Beethoven would have liked it(as you do...haha)...then I got to wonderin the wider question of what Beethoven would make of modern music....would he like Rage against the machine or Slipknot or The beatles etc etc...fun to ponder...what dya think??

[birba]

Sorry, I find it VERY boring. 

[orangesodaking]

Sorry, I find it VERY boring. 

I almost forgot to say, welcome to PianoStreet, jamesboogiewoogie. Disregard replies like this.

[birba]

And why, may I ask, can't I say I found it boring?!  I didn't intend to hurt his feelings!  He asked what we thought of it.   Where's YOUR problem?!

[birba]

Sorry, I meant to say WHAT'S your problem.  This IS the audtion room, isn't it?

[orangesodaking]

I didn't intend to hurt his feelings!

Often times, replies like that chase new members away from a forum. Now if it were someone who had been here longer, then I wouldn't say anything. Not only using the adverb "very" but capitalizing it didn't help either.

[jamesboogiewoogie]

Heu guys..its ok....Even Beethoven had his critics...lol...I know its not v fluent n there isnt really ne RH to speak off...but I liked the chord progressions.....no worries Birba!...I have done some otha vids,you may like.Im not just a boogiewoogie nut(Altho it defo is not boring to play)..I love some classical,in particular Beethoven,Chopin n Liszt....but have come across vv few classical players who can play blues etc with natural feel.Certainly many top notch Classical players ive met could not even improvise round a straight 12 bar...which I find strange....

[pianisten1989]

Uhm... Boogie and classical music is really not the same thing, so I don't see why it's strange...
Plenty of blues pianists are really crappy at the classical, soo...
Though, I still don't get how We should know what Beethoven would like this. No offence, but "a nice chord progression"  probably would impress him very much, and (no offence again) especially not when it's not a very original progression.

But hey, everybody is different...
And welcome to pianostreet.

[jamesboogiewoogie]

...hmm well i did grade 8 wen i was 16 n then spent 20 years undoing most of what i was taught.No theyre not similar altho boogie is so simple n repetative,n blues is very easy to comprehend theoretically I find it funny that people who ive known who can REALLY play some of the hardest Liszt stuff,stutter n stumble round 3 simple chords.Still I cant really talk,I couldnt begin to play Liszt,I think Pathetique sonant was the hardest piece i eve learned..

[pianowolfi]

Thanks!I often wonder what the 'main man' would make of modern music.He may think it surprisingly primitive...but i bet hed love messing with synths n stuff,N who knows he may love good ole boogie!!What dya all think??

I think he wouldn't mind a good ole boogie every once in a while (Actually I think he would sometimes even prefer that to his own Bagatelle WoO 57 argh I mean 59 )

[jamesboogiewoogie]

..very good pianowolfi...be the basis of a funny film I think!

[ethelion1373]

hi james,  agree with you thAt classicaly trained person will have problem improvising in simple chords.
i think the reason is;

in classic music it has a lot of detail and the player must train his brain and hands very hard to play each note. and then have the wanted effect that is in the score. your doing things very strict. bcs you intend to copy all (timing, notes etc.)

in bogie and pop, you experiment or know the emotion (effect)
of each chord and the using notes in the chord you can create your own arpeggios that will fit. can even add 2nd. the challenge is  i think focusing on how to make it unique, which the early composers are very sucesfull,  watch this vid a good improvisetion so far in Canon by pachelbel,(improvised by Klye). sory 4 my bad english.

 

[slow_concert_pianist]

NO

[pianisten1989]

Geez! What's up with all the negative atmosphere around classical musicians?! Boogie-piano and classical piano isn't even near the same thing. And most classical ppl I know doesn't even like boogie! And how should we be good improvising something that sucks?
And boogie-pianists has obviously been training on hitting like 7 notes on a 3-chord-form in years. OFC THEY'RE BETTER AT IT!

And since we classical pianists are way better than you at playing classical music, we are better than you anyway soo...

[furtwaengler]

I'm a little confused, and it could be my lack of knowledge, but is THIS boogie woogie? I'm judging replies. I would have just thought it was just nice and bluesy.

Beethoven? He played off of what was popular and what was around him, like Rossini and such. Surely he'd have a clever response to modern music.

But in terms of modern music, I might wonder too what he'd make of everything ranging from the Bartok string quartets, to Boulez's (orchestrally expanded) Notations and the large orchestral sonorities of Xenakis?

Ah, it matters little really...Beethoven is dead. What do YOU think about it all?  

[perfect_pitch]

I think the important question is:

Would BEETHOVEN like this???

https://www.box.net/shared/9fa6kf3tcz

 

MY EARS - THE BLEEDING WON'T STOP... HELP ME!!!!

[birba]

Is that that slow pianist guy?  He certainly is appassionato for the piano.  You have to give him that much credit.

[perfect_pitch]

Is that that slow pianist guy?  He certainly is appassionato for the piano.  You have to give him that much credit.

Usually - I'd say yes... you're right - he's passionate about the piano, let's help the guy achieve those goals... but NO. He doesn't seem to give a sh!t about taking advice from anyone and challenges anyone who gives him criticism.

If he's appassionato for the piano - he needs to find himself another *** teacher!!! Because if he had my teacher - she'd tell him to stop screwing about and pull his head out of his arse.

He may be passionate, but he's NEVER, EVER going to get close to becoming a performer, or even someone who can play with quality.

[pianisten1989]

He may be passionate, but he's NEVER, EVER going to get close to becoming a performer, or even someone who can play with quality.

quality? that was generous.. I'd say he'll never get close to playing. .. and that's it.

[ethelion1373]

excuse but who are you calling passionate? is it the boogie guy or the recording i posted,the canon thing.

[ethelion1373]

abt improvising, i think even if its just a 4 chord progression 4 example.. not very boring to improvise? i mean i heard abt the variation of mozart in twinkle twinkle star. what d you think guys?

[birba]

We hit a nerve in Pianisten's achilles' heel.  We've wandered from the thread and are talking about another person.  The slowpianist guy.
I can't say anything about the original thread because I was rebuked for saying it was boring.  actually I said BORING.

[perfect_pitch]

We hit a nerve in Pianisten's achilles' heel.  We've wandered from the thread and are talking about another person.  The slowpianist guy.

True... that's probably my fault. I just saw the topic title and had just finished listening to slow's attempt at the Appasionata sonata and thought - what would Beethoven think?

Anyway, who's to say if Beethoven would have liked Boogie or Jazz...

What I WOULD HAVE loved to see is Beethovens face with Twentieth Century Atonal music and harsh dissonance...

Although, considering he started losing his hearing in his thirties and fourties - he probably wouldn't have anything to say - cause he was deaf.

I would also loved to have seen Bachs face listening to Chopins music for the piano considering that Bach thought the piano was just going to be a fad and die out.

[pianisten1989]

Nooo, it's not your fault. I just got a bit upset of ppl comparing 2 styles that can't be compared.

[emill]

Well it's a very hypothetical question basically inquiring what a great composer
of another time with a very different music, will think about a current mode...
the boogie-woggie or jazz ?  Surely it will elicit as many varied answers, positive
and negative as the number of responders. It is a little puzzling though what the
the whole point of the question is ... since anyones answer could be right ...
purely speculative.

Now if you ask me ....  wow!! I like the beat and the way you played it ...
sort of puts you in the mood for other things...   NICE playing indeed !!!