How to earn money with music without teaching or performing?

[Bob]

Write a book.   

Anything else?

[3htohn]

You could critique Bob

Энтони.

[quantum]

Administration in music school or collage music faculty.

[littletune]

What about write music?

What if someone was translating music? You know kinda like translating from one language into another. Someone could be translating music for people who don't understand it.... into whatever they would understand. You could also draw music and then sell those drawings  

[Bob]

You could critique Bob

Энтони.

Critique myself. Pay myself.  I could charge a lot but I don't think I'd be willing to pay that much.

Freelance critiquer.  "Man, that sucks... That's be $100 thank you."

[quantum]

Music score engraver

[Bob]

piano tuner/technician

[mistermoe]

stealing CD's and selling them on the black market

[thalbergmad]

Music score engraver

Judging by some of the prices I have been quoted by typesetters, that is an excellent suggestion.

Thal

[goldentone]

What about write music?

Yes.

[gyzzzmo]

make a nice painting of something musical and sell it

[Bob]

stealing CD's and selling them on the black market

Or be the one to make the recording in the first place.

[littletune]

I know I know.... healing with music!   

[goldentone]

I heard of someone who was healed of a disease and attributed it to listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto, I think repeatedly over time.

[liordavid]

being one of those street musicians (although they are usually pretty bad)

[gyzzzmo]

Sell sheet music

[pianisten1989]

Work with something else.. Duh?

[littletune]

I heard of someone who was healed of a disease and attributed it to listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto, I think repeatedly over time.

cool 

What about making musical instruments, or inventing new ones! 

[goldentone]

Classical Banjo Public Relations Strategist.

[gyzzzmo]

Classical Banjo Public Relations Strategist.

The Hairy Agincourtish Lonely Banjo Entrepeneur Rendering Grave Music And Drama 

[ahinton]

Administration in music school or collage music faculty.

Just out of mild interest, which aspects of the profession might be anticipated to have been thrown together in such a "collage"?...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

What about write music?

Yes, as a composer myself, I can certainly testify to the vast fortunes that are to be made from composition. Ahem...

Best,

Alistair

[gyzzzmo]

Yes, as a composer myself, I can certainly testify to the vast fortunes that are to be made from composition. Ahem...

Best,

Alistair

Maybe you write for the wrong business

[goldentone]

Yes, as a composer myself, I can certainly testify to the vast fortunes that are to be made from composition. Ahem...

Indeed, those of us who were invited are looking forward to staying at your getaway later this summer. It promises to be quite a time with this year's entertainment being provided by Thal.  

[thalbergmad]

The Hairy Agincourtish Lonely Banjo Entrepeneur Rendering Grave Music And Drama 

Sounds like the ideal job for me, being a traditional archer and banjo enthusiast.

Thal

[Bob]

I know I know.... healing with music!   

Maybe the opposite too.... torturing with music.  A musical torturer.  (though some students may say that's a teacher.)

[ahinton]

Maybe you write for the wrong business

Might you care to elaborate and elucidate?(!)...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Indeed, those of us who were invited are looking forward to staying at your getaway later this summer. It promises to be quite a time with this year's entertainment being provided by Thal.  

Pardonnez-moi? What invitation? What getaway? (and from what?). What entertainment is Thal supposedly providing, where and at whose invitation?

Sorry for so many questions in so short a space of time...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Maybe the opposite too.... torturing with music.  A musical torturer.  (though some students may say that's a teacher.)

Might those students then qualify as The Torturer's Apprentice(s), as in Dukas?...

Best,

Alistair

[gyzzzmo]

Might you care to elaborate and elucidate?(!)...

Best,

Alistair

Lower yourself into writing some hidious repeating tune for the popindustry and you may move to a bigger den.

[gep]

Yes, as a composer myself, I can certainly testify to the vast fortunes that are to be made from composition. Ahem...

Best,

Alistair

Indeed, assuming you would turn to writing á la manière de Lllllloyd Webber! Of course, you might say: "that does not happen until the cow comes home", but ah....
Still, if I were to choose between having you filthy rich because of writing Lloyd Webberish, or having you filthy rich writing Hintonian, I'd easily choose the latter, I think!

All best,
gep

[gep]

Might those students then qualify as The Torturer's Apprentice(s), as in Dukas?...

Best,

Alistair

If they play from The Turn of the Screw, then yes!

[gep]

Lower yourself into writing some hidious repeating tune for the popindustry and you may move to a bigger den.

Indeed! As the writer Pratchett says: "the IQ of a mob is the IQ of it dumbest member divided by the number of mobbees". Truly there is hardly a greater mob to be found than in pop (or entertainment) industry. Saving football/soccer, by the present look of it...

[ahinton]

Lower yourself into writing some hidious repeating tune for the popindustry and you may move to a bigger den.

Except for the fact that there are already many thousands of people doing that, not all of whom are able to dwell in big dens as a direct consequence. In any case, the den which I wish to inhabit and hope in the not too distant future to have built in rural France where it's quite abit cheaper to do that kind of thing than is the case anywhere in UK will not need to be a great deal larger than where I am at present, thanks!

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Indeed, assuming you would turn to writing á la manière de Lllllloyd Webber!

Which one? William? Or one of his sons?...

Of course, you might say: "that does not happen until the cow comes home"

Even living where I now do for the time being, I would need to defer to you on matters of when cows come home, methinks!...

Still, if I were to choose between having you filthy rich because of writing Lloyd Webberish, or having you filthy rich writing Hintonian, I'd easily choose the latter, I think!

Then I fondly hope that you somehow manage to find yourself with such a choice, though I'd rather not actually be "filthy" anything, naturellement!...

Best,

Alistair

[pianowolfi]

In any case, the den which I wish to inhabit and hope in the not too distant future to have built in rural France

Awww how romantic   In rural France! It must be really nice and inspiring to work and practice there. I think I would probably choose the Provence or Drôme.

[littletune]

Yes, as a composer myself, I can certainly testify to the vast fortunes that are to be made from composition. Ahem...

Best,

Alistair

You mean that the other way around right?  That you don't earn enough money. Well but the question wasn't how to make vast fortunes, just how to earn money (it didn't say a little or a lot).

[ahinton]

You mean that the other way around right?  That you don't earn enough money. Well but the question wasn't how to make vast fortunes, just how to earn money (it didn't say a little or a lot).

No, I know that you didn't - and you are correct in your assumption that I "mean the other way around" - but then bear in mind that there are not just quite a few but many hundreds of thousands of composers out there, some of whom have been trained by thousands of other composers, most of whom are finding it increasingly difficult to make out and the sheer numbers make that problem all the greater - indeed, why would it do otherwise?

Best,

Alistair

[minor9th]

Recording engineer? Artist manager?

[thalbergmad]

Albanian nose flute tester??

[Bob]

I suppose there is buying instruments for people who don't know how to buy them.

And I've seen a little industry on Ebay and Craiglist of people who buy and sell used instruments.

[goldentone]

Pardonnez-moi? What invitation? What getaway? (and from what?). What entertainment is Thal supposedly providing, where and at whose invitation?

The Chateau de Verigne in the French Alps, entertainment to be revealed forthwith.  I thought the invitations were from you, Alistair, but maybe Thal sent them.  Interestingly enough, in the lower right hand corner there is an emobssed image of Sorabji playing the banjo. . .

[ahinton]

The Chateau de Verigne in the French Alps, entertainment to be revealed forthwith.  I thought the invitations were from you, Alistair, but maybe Thal sent them.

Since I am unfamiliar with the venue and have seen no such invitations, I cannot say who may have sent them.

Interestingly enough, in the lower right hand corner there is an emobssed image of Sorabji playing the banjo. . .

Clearly a mockup rather than a genuine photograph, but I can see why you might assume that its presence on those invitations could well suggest some input from Thal.

Anyway, I hope that someone enjoys whetever it is that goes on there.

Best,

Alistair

[Bob]

I wonder if it's possible now to make some money buying music things for people.  If someone wants something, if you know enough you can point them in the direction of quality and narrow in on the best buys. 

[goldentone]

I wonder if it's possible now to make some money buying music things for people.  If someone wants something, if you know enough you can point them in the direction of quality and narrow in on the best buys. 

Bob's Music and Piano Agency.  Free Consultation.

[Bob]

The price you would charge is probably the amount a person would save buying the instrument/item themselves. 

Free consultation?  It's supposed to be about making money.  "Free thinking.... consultation costs extra."

[Bob]

Bob's Music and Piano Agency.  Free Consultation.

... and payment in advance.  In cash.

[ahinton]

But taking commissions from the sale of musical selling instruments and even offering consultancy services in respect of the potential sale of such instruments is not strictly making money out of music itself, is it? It's rather more a case of making money from something else which one could only be qualified to make if one has certain experience and knowledge of musical matters. OK, one could say that self-publishing is similar to that in that aims to make money from selling one's work rather than actually doing it in the first place. The extent to which a fine line might be drawn here between strictly musical activity (singing, playing, conducting, composing, etc.) and other activity that one could only pursue if one has certain musical abilities (teaching, reviewing, selling, advising, managing and promoting, etc.) is such as to question the question, which might perhaps be more clearly (if also rather more cumbersomely) phrased as "How to earn money from activities connected with music without teaching or performing", since composition would appear to be the only other activity from which one could actually "earn money with music" (as the question is currently phrased).

That said, earning money from composition has its own special drawbacks. When a commission is received, the usual form is for 50% of the fee to be paid up-front and the remainder upon delivery of the completed score; however, when that score is, for example, a 40-minute orchestral work, there could be a long time between the two payments. More importantly, perhaps, royalties from performances, broadcasts and recordings are often received many months - sometimes even several years - after the event and many of them also have an unfortunate tendency to slip through the net and remain unpaid for an all too wide variety of reasons, so generating a reliable cashflow from composition can take quite some years and can never be guaranteed in any case. Self-publishing can help out with this, of course, although that is essentially an ancillary activity (as I suggested above) in that it aims to derive income from selling work that has already been done.

Best,

Alistair

[redragon]

Critique myself. Pay myself.  I could charge a lot but I don't think I'd be willing to pay that much.

Freelance critiquer.  "Man, that sucks... That's be $100 thank you."

MASSIVE LOL....
thanks, i needed that....

[kuya]

Be a music historian.
Be a philosopher who only thinks about music.
Get a job in an opera or philharmony as technician, make-up artist, cleaner etc.