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Offline ggpianogg

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(Updated) Uncomfortable chord - quick question
on: July 28, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
Hi guys, I'll make it quick:

Mephisto Waltz No. 1, the chord circled on the screenshot below in red.

I'm finding it very uncomfortable to play because of the D/E being so close to each other. It requires me to stretch the second finger of the left hand extremely far away from the 4th/3rd fingers. Is there something I'm missing here, is it just a lack of stretch in the hand? How would you play this chord? I can rather comfortably reach a range of a 9th with my left hand. Thanks.



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Offline frank_48

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
use the thumb for both D & E ?

think of it as 5,3,1
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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 11:18:24 PM
Ditto.  Thumb for two keys.  Much easier.  And what Liszt meant I imagine.
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Offline birba

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
Of course.

Offline ggpianogg

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 07:27:46 AM
clear and short answer. Thanks everyone!

Offline quantum

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
So for the sequence of chords you could have:

321, 421, 521
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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 02:48:24 AM
Quantum,
Which chords are you referring?  I can't imagine a 123 stretch for any of those chords.

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 02:54:35 AM
First bar, the three chords.

If it were a five note E7 chord you would use the fingers 5321.  So 321 for the written chord follows in that pattern. 
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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 05:37:23 AM
I thought you meant having a 1 and 2 on E and D making that first chord a much more uncomfortable stretch.

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Re: Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #9 on: August 02, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
Hi guys,

Didn't want to create a new topic, so I'll post my question here (if thre are no replies in a day or two then I will consider starting a separate thread, although I would prefer to avoid this).

Could someone show me their preferred fingering for the part circled in red below? (still the same piece - Mephisto Waltz no 1). I have no teacher unfortunately (budget issues). I have a few ideas myself but I'm afraid that once I get the playing of this part up to speed, it will turn out that my fingering is impractical, so I'd prefer to ask someone who can already play this up to speed, hopefully I'll avoid ingraining a bad habit this way. Thanks!

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Re: (Updated) Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #10 on: August 02, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
By the looks of it, a typical:

15   3  2  1   3  2  1

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Re: (Updated) Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #11 on: August 02, 2010, 11:16:56 PM
As perfect_pitch illustrates above.

Try to think of the finger groupings as solid chords.  
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Re: (Updated) Uncomfortable chord - quick question
Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 08:22:47 AM
Thanks guys :)
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