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Offline 54545

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chopin sonata no 2 missing measures?
on: September 29, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
I have come across several editions of the chopin piano sonata no 2. In the 4th movement there are 2 bars missing in some editions (like in Mikuli's edition and padarewski's) while others contain the two missing bars (like in Pugno's and Scholtz's).

Pugno mentions that Liszt placed these two bars and that they don't appear in french first edition.

I was wondering which is the correct reading: the movement with the two bars or the movement that is missing the two bar?

Offline stevebob

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Re: chopin sonata no 2 missing measures?
Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
The inclusion of the two extra measures in certain editions appears to have been in error.  In the Commentary (i.e., endnotes) to the Paderewski edition, the following explanation is given:

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Bar 46.  After this bar GE inserts a repeat of bars 9 and 10.  According to Mikuli, Chopin himself crossed out these two cars in the copies of two of his pupils.  They do not appear in FE.  It is quite certain that the insertion of these bars in GE was a mistake on Chopin’s part, for in MS. he did not write the repetition in full, but indicated it, as usual, by the numbers of the bars as they occurred previously.  Incidentally he made a mistake, and indicated a repeat of ten bars instead of eight.  This, then, is undoubtedly a question of a correction made by Chopin himself in copies belonging to his pupils, and not of a deliberate change in the work.  Besides, the repetition of these two bars in the recapitulation would be completely out of place without the repetition of the two subsequent bars (11-12) as well, since, together with bars 9-10, they form a whole, as we have seen earlier (see the pattern for bars 9-12).  In addition, these four bars have their counterpart in bars 51-54 of the recapitulation; their repetition, therefore, either whole or in part, would be superfluous.

(GE = first German edition, FE = first French edition, MS. = manuscript; the students in question were Princess Czartoryska and Mme Streicher.)
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Offline birba

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Re: chopin sonata no 2 missing measures?
Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 06:54:13 PM
Definitely without.
 

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