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Master Teacher Hans Leygraf’s Fundamental Lessons

A much longed-for documentation of the pianist and piano pedagogue Hans Leygraf’s methodology is now to be found on two DVDs. These recordings, made among a selected few of his students in Salzburg, extends from the appropriate way of touching the keys to interpretation of the music as illustrated by practising compositions of Bach, Chopin and Schubert. Read more >>

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Author Topic: Which one should I play for a competition?  (Read 5254 times)
wilmerguido
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« on: December 11, 2010, 02:45:01 PM »

Which one should I play and which one is more difficult for you?
Ravel Toccata from Le Tombeau de Couperin
Ravel Alborada del Gracioso from Miroirs
Debussy Reflets dans l'eau from Images
Prokofiev Tocatta
Prokofiev Suggestion Diabolique

I know diffuculty is subjective... but I just need an overview, also, please point out the most difficult parts in these pieces
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piano sheet music of Le Tombeau de Couperin

piano sheet music of Alborada del Gracioso

piano sheet music of Reflets dans l'eau

piano sheet music of Toccata

piano sheet music of Diabolic Suggestion
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 03:20:31 PM »

Please add Ravel's Jeux d'eau to that list Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 05:32:19 PM »

The piece you think you can play best. That's the only real answer you can get...
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 07:00:18 AM »

I'd have to learn all of them in that case... but i don't think i have enough time... so... having said that... let me change the question...

Which do you like best instead?
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 09:11:32 PM »

the debussy
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 10:07:18 PM »

I'm guessing you are a teenager.  Wink You should choose whichever you like the best.  No matter how beautiful and loved by others, if you don't like it as much, then it's not going to be a master piece.

By the way why are your options limited to Impressionistic and Contemporary?
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 06:45:08 AM »

It depends on what you want to impress them with.  If you could do two, you should do Jeux d'eau and the Prokofiev toccata.  Are you only allowed ONE piece?!  Sounds very strange.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 11:07:13 PM »

I would go with Reflects dans l'eau... that one is my favorite, at least.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 11:59:18 PM »

What one do you connect with?
1. Debussy   2. Diabolique  3. Toccata

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 04:30:35 AM »

Personally, I would vote for the Alborada del Gracioso, or the Suggestion Diabolique. But all of these pieces are fantastic, as a matter of fact, I would say that all of them (other than the Ravel Toccata) are in my top... maybe 50 or 60 favorite pieces. Alborada and Suggestion Diabolique are probably top 30 or 40.

Right now, at least.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 09:29:23 PM »

Let me tell you that you don't want to attempt to impress the judge with technical skill. Showing off is the last thing you want to do (unless you're playing Liszt. Then you have to know HOW to show off instead of just banging loudly and trying to play as fast as you can). Really if I were a judge, I would look more favorably on someone who played Debussy La Plus Que Lente incredibly well over someone who played Ravel Toccata like a machine.

And in the end it doesn't matter which piece is harder. This is a MUSICAL competition so a judge (assuming they are competent) should judge by what they hear rather than how difficult a piece is.

With that in mind,
There is an element of the fantastic in playing difficult pieces however. Difficult pieces tend to have either musical subtleties or big fantastic virtuoso sections full of emotion. Debussy has the musical subtleties, Ravel Alborada has the fantastic virtuoso sections.

Having played the Alborada, I found the repeated notes to be the most difficult. Then the coda. Then the more virtuosic sections in the middle section.


In the end, think about what you love about the piece you choose. And then communicate your love for that piece. Get the judge to love what you love about the piece.

Personally, I really like the Toccatas, although they are probably the least musical on that list. They probably won't be as common as Jeux D'eau if it's a competition. Alborada might be pretty common too. I think the Debussy would be strongest of all of them if played incredibly well however.
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Ravel Jeux D'eau
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 10:34:17 PM »

What werq34ac says, in spades.
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