The Fur Elise has a second movement?

[Nana_Ama]

The Fur Elise has a second movement I think
I found on a site called On Classical


1.Bagattelle in a minor, WoO 59 "Für Elise"
https://www.kunstderfuge.com/beethoven/mid/hisamori/bagattella_fur_elise_(c)hisamori.mid

2.Movement in B flat major, WoO 60 (1818)
http://  https://www.kunstderfuge.com/beethoven/mid/orlandi/mouvement_woo60_(c)orlandi.mid
3.Movement in G minor, WoO 61a (1825)
http://    https://www.kunstderfuge.com/beethoven/mid/orlandi/mouvement_woo61a_(c)orlandi.mid  
4. Movement in B minor, WoO 61 (1821)https://www.kunstderfuge.com/beethoven/mid/orlandi/mouvement_woo61_(c)orlandi.mid
I am not sure if the order is exactly right but...

[liezly]

That's cool !!! I'll share it with my friends!

[bernhard]

Er...

Fur Elise (WoO59) was sketched in 1808, and completed either in 1809 or 1810. It was presented to “Elise” (Actually Therese Malfatti) on the 27 April 1810.

Nana_Ama suggests that the Bagatelles WoO 60, WoO 61a and WoO 61 are “movements” of Fur Elise.

How? Why? Where do these ideas come from? They have no relationship (musical or otherwise) whatsoever to Fur Elise. They are small piano pieces, never published in Beethoven’s lifetime. Check out the composition dates (they were composed 8 – 15 years after Fur Elise).

WoO 60 – Bagatelle in Bb – composed in 1818, its sketches are juxtaposed with the ones for the Hammerklavier, which is also in Bb.

WoO 61 – Allegretto in B minor – composed in 1821.

WoO 61a – Allegretto quasi andante in G minor was written as a souvenir for Sarah Burney Payne on 27 September 1825. It is a tiny piece just 13 bars long and like the other two has nothing whatsoever to do with Fur Elise.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[Nana_Ama]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Bernhard... I wasn't quite sure.